Michael Oliver

My main issue with this t**t is his want to be the centre of attention. Doesn't take a genius to work out he's a crap ref, but it's the self adulation that is vomit inducing.
 
He didn't throw his 2nd strop after the yellow though. Watch the footage again in this thread.

This footage?




It's quite clear that he reacts to the throw in and then reacts again to the yellow. Seems that anyone but Utd fans can see that.

Your argument falls on the fact that by the time Oliver walks up to him and gives him the second yellow Dalot’s already calmed down, turned away from Oliver and is recovering from the run.

If flailing your arms twice (the last of which happens as you’re being shown a yellow card) is two separate counts of dissent worthy of two yellows then surely every verbal protest that consists of more than one sentence should be punished with two yellows.

He "calms down" and turns away sheepishly after his 2nd strop knowing he could be in trouble. He threw his arms around when he saw he was being booked.

Again, I don't think it merits a sending off and Oliver is being extremely petty.
 
This footage?




It's quite clear that he reacts to the throw in and then reacts again to the yellow. Seems that anyone but Utd fans can see that.



He "calms down" and turns away sheepishly after his 2nd strop knowing he could be in trouble. He threw his arms around when he saw he was being booked.

Again, I don't think it merits a sending off and Oliver is being extremely petty.


It really doesn't...

If we're booking players for reacting to being booked, games would never finish with 22 players.
 
This footage?




It's quite clear that he reacts to the throw in and then reacts again to the yellow. Seems that anyone but Utd fans can see that.



He "calms down" and turns away sheepishly after his 2nd strop knowing he could be in trouble. He threw his arms around when he saw he was being booked.

Again, I don't think it merits a sending off and Oliver is being extremely petty.


Yeah, I think that's correct. He does react twice - one for the throw-in and one for the card. The key thing is that Michael Oliver needs to be calm and levelheaded enough to see this is as one incident, especially as Dalot quickly composes himself after the second flail. I can see a double yellow for dissent being justified if the player is in the face of the referee mouthing off and being out of control for a longer period.

This is so clearly a power trip by Michael Oliver, and it is made worse by the fact that Nunez had a very similar incident earlier in the game that went unpunished, so the bias and inconsistency is there on full display.

Judging from Michael Oliver's face, you just know he was bullied as a kid, so now he is going to take full advantage of his position of power over the popular kids.
 
The red card is a disgrace. He should be dropped for that. Let alone the fact that it came about because the officials fecked up the throw in decision in the first place.
 
It’s the lack of accountability that boils my blood. Oliver has let worse go before this (in this match) and he’s going to let worse go in the next game too. But he can just get on with it and be declared “the best British referee”… until he does it to Liverpool player.
 
He's a shit ref. Unfortunately United won't complain but if that happened to Arteta or Klopp team you can bet all the headlines today are around that decision.
 
I actually thought he was “alright” up to that point. Nothing too contentious, albeit one or two things he missed. But that red was absolutely ridiculous. He basically booked Dalot for dissent twice for literally the same offence :lol:
 
This footage?




It's quite clear that he reacts to the throw in and then reacts again to the yellow. Seems that anyone but Utd fans can see that.



He "calms down" and turns away sheepishly after his 2nd strop knowing he could be in trouble. He threw his arms around when he saw he was being booked.

Again, I don't think it merits a sending off and Oliver is being extremely petty.

Inconsistent ref is Mr Oliver.

Why didn't he issue another yellow to 'Donkey' Nunez for his protracted protesting?!
Why didn't he issue a yellow to Salah for his requesting a yellow card for a United player?!
 
I actually thought he was “alright” up to that point. Nothing too contentious, albeit one or two things he missed. But that red was absolutely ridiculous. He basically booked Dalot for dissent twice for literally the same offence :lol:

The thing is, any old school referee will tell you that respect is earned and you can control a match by treating players with a bit of understanding. It’s the 94th minute and he’s just conceded a throw in after competing for the ball (forgetting it came off Salah), of course he’s going to be emotional. Fine you’ve given him a yellow, at least give him the time to get his emotions under control or ask the captain to step in and have a word. What he did isn’t refereeing it’s a power trip.
 
He's a shit ref. Unfortunately United won't complain but if that happened to Arteta or Klopp team you can bet all the headlines today are around that decision.

Media would buy Arteta & Klopp crying, never for us :lol: :lol:
 
Unless Dalot has said something particularly nasty, it's a ridiculous red.
He's a shit ref. Unfortunately United won't complain but if that happened to Arteta or Klopp team you can bet all the headlines today are around that decision.
I agree with both comments.

Some time ago we had a photo of Oliver wearing a Newcastle gear at a pub but i couldn't find it.
 
I agree with both comments.

Some time ago we had a photo of Oliver wearing a Newcastle gear at a pub but i couldn't find it.

This one?

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Unless Dalot has said something particularly nasty, it's a ridiculous red.

All media everywhere saying it’s the correct call while mysteriously forgetting Nunez . Fighting a losing argument when it comes to United.
Few ex-ref already shouting wherever prompted correct decision while one even said he probably didn’t see Nunez clapping or too early in the game for Salah kicking the ball away.
The question is when is it too early or late for decent? Or should it be across the board from 1-90mins. Should VAR check for that or these things not allowed to check?
 
The thing is, any old school referee will tell you that respect is earned and you can control a match by treating players with a bit of understanding. It’s the 94th minute and he’s just conceded a throw in after competing for the ball (forgetting it came off Salah), of course he’s going to be emotional. Fine you’ve given him a yellow, at least give him the time to get his emotions under control or ask the captain to step in and have a word. What he did isn’t refereeing it’s a power trip.
Yep, you’re absolutely spot on. He just needed to be the center of attention, didn’t he? Couldn’t let the game flow by without an incident. That decision is so blatantly ridiculously it really should have some sort of inquest and have the red rescinded. But no, never in a million years.
 
Yep, you’re absolutely spot on. He just needed to be the center of attention, didn’t he? Couldn’t let the game flow by without an incident. That decision is so blatantly ridiculously it really should have some sort of inquest and have the red rescinded. But no, never in a million years.

It's a pity that United rarely contest such decisions - this time I feel we have grounds to do so.

Yeah might as well have that photo on the match of the day thread OP.

Thank you Lyng - hope staff will agree to doing this.
 
Some Michael Oliver Stats


United have 18 wins from 45 matches reffed by Oliver.

They have 5 red cards and 92 yellows.

In the same time, hes shown our opponents 1 red card and 62 yellows.

Are we that much dirtier?

By contrast, hes reffed Liverpool 60 times (thats 16 times more) and shown them just 1 red. City 53 times and shown them 1 red.
So we get a red card, once every 9 games with Oliver. For Liverpool its once every 60 and for city its once every 53. For opponents against us, its once every 45 games.

This season, he decided to let Romero's blatant handball go by, and send Dalot off for nothing.

Like Anthony Taylor, there just seems to be a genuine bias at best, and something corrupt at worst.
This. The evidence is irrefutable.
 
Inconsistent ref is Mr Oliver.

Why didn't he issue another yellow to 'Donkey' Nunez for his protracted protesting?!
Why didn't he issue a yellow to Salah for his requesting a yellow card for a United player?!
Or a yellow for the feeble dive in an attempt to get a penalty
 
i wish that red card happened to Liverpool so I could laugh at it more, but it's still hilarious
 
The red card is a disgrace. He should be dropped for that. Let alone the fact that it came about because the officials fecked up the throw in decision in the first place.
It wasn't a red card, dissent is a yellow card offence.
He received two yellows.
You can appeal a red but not a yellow.
 
And as I said, it's a disgrace.
No it's not.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong.
Just because for reasons known to him he didn't issue other yellows in the game, doesn't make it wrong.
Dalot showed dissent at two different decisions, one moment of dissent was directed directly at the referee, it's a yellow, end of.
You can direct as much vitriol and abuse at Oliver, as you want, but it doesn't change the fact he was right.
 
No it's not.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong.
Just because for reasons known to him he didn't issue other yellows in the game, doesn't make it wrong.
Dalot showed dissent at two different decisions, one moment of dissent was directed directly at the referee, it's a yellow, end of.
You can direct as much vitriol and abuse at Oliver, as you want, but it doesn't change the fact he was right.

It was an awful decision. If he refs would actually do that every game we would never have enough players to finish games.
Oliver is known to make everything about him and this was his chance to do so.
 
No it's not.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong.
Just because for reasons known to him he didn't issue other yellows in the game, doesn't make it wrong.
Dalot showed dissent at two different decisions, one moment of dissent was directed directly at the referee, it's a yellow, end of.
You can direct as much vitriol and abuse at Oliver, as you want, but it doesn't change the fact he was right.
No, he wasn't right. It's piss poor refereeing. I have noticed in the past that you go out of your way looking for arguments, so I'm not going to indulge you any longer.
 
No, he wasn't right. It's piss poor refereeing. I have noticed in the past that you go out of your way looking for arguments, so I'm not going to indulge you any longer.
Agree.
Oliver reminds me of Concetto Lo Bello (italian ref) who started all this Prima donna refereeing wanting to show all the world that 'i'm the boss here and no one opens his mouth at me or else' attitude.
 
How is he allowed the referee Premier League games after that photo? And now working in Saudi Arabia. He has a clear bias towards Newcastle. He's also a terrible referee in the first place.
Referee's have to declare any allegiance to a particular team.
He has never officiated at a Newcastle game because of his allegiance, or a Sunderland game because he was born there.
You have the audacity to call him a poor Ref, when you don't know the conditions of being a Ref, or know the laws of the game!
 
No it's not.
Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong.
Just because for reasons known to him he didn't issue other yellows in the game, doesn't make it wrong.
Dalot showed dissent at two different decisions, one moment of dissent was directed directly at the referee, it's a yellow, end of.
You can direct as much vitriol and abuse at Oliver, as you want, but it doesn't change the fact he was right.

It's probably not wrong. I'd blame Dalot for being stupid and think referees should be more inclined to book players for this type of behaviour.

But the problem here is how he decides Nunez doesn't deserve 2 yellows for a foul, kicking the ball away and sarcastically clapping the officials all in the same incident. Liverpool players didn't get booked for waving imaginary cards. Gravenberch doesn't get booked for a clear dive in the box. But Dalot deserved 2 yellows for his reaction to a throw in.

He's clearly decided it was worth 2 yellows and that's fine, but as with most of these referees it's their consistency in the application of the rules that is the bigger issue, not the decision itself.