It’s described near enough exactly on here to be fair. No need to VAR when he moves his arms!
Michael Oliver
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The most ridiculous sending off ever. Oliver is a fecking twat.
Fixed that for you
in the same breath as saying hes the best referee in england. How many times this season has he made a shocker? Last season? The correct analysis is to wonder whats going on with Michael Oliver and if he needs a break. He should be getting slaughtered for that call, when in the same game he let Nunez take the piss out of him and his officials.
Some Michael Oliver Stats
United have 18 wins from 45 matches reffed by Oliver.
They have 5 red cards and 92 yellows.
In the same time, hes shown our opponents 1 red card and 62 yellows.
Are we that much dirtier?
By contrast, hes reffed Liverpool 60 times (thats 16 times more) and shown them just 1 red. City 53 times and shown them 1 red.
So we get a red card, once every 9 games with Oliver. For Liverpool its once every 60 and for city its once every 53. For opponents against us, its once every 45 games.
This season, he decided to let Romero's blatant handball go by, and send Dalot off for nothing.
Like Anthony Taylor, there just seems to be a genuine bias at best, and something corrupt at worst.
United have 18 wins from 45 matches reffed by Oliver.
They have 5 red cards and 92 yellows.
In the same time, hes shown our opponents 1 red card and 62 yellows.
Are we that much dirtier?
By contrast, hes reffed Liverpool 60 times (thats 16 times more) and shown them just 1 red. City 53 times and shown them 1 red.
So we get a red card, once every 9 games with Oliver. For Liverpool its once every 60 and for city its once every 53. For opponents against us, its once every 45 games.
This season, he decided to let Romero's blatant handball go by, and send Dalot off for nothing.
Like Anthony Taylor, there just seems to be a genuine bias at best, and something corrupt at worst.
Yet our manager has nothing to say.
I was trying to remember a similar incident to this recently, someone referenced Martinelli but that wasn't this season was it?
Watching the Brighton game and immediately thought of it, Lewis Dunk away to Nottingham Forest three weeks ago.
He got two yellows in one action for dissent after the penalty was given.
Yellow would've been enough though for what Dalot did especially as it was right at the end of the game.
Watching the Brighton game and immediately thought of it, Lewis Dunk away to Nottingham Forest three weeks ago.
He got two yellows in one action for dissent after the penalty was given.
Yellow would've been enough though for what Dalot did especially as it was right at the end of the game.
Wasn't Dunk straight red on the second one for calling him a knob head?
From what I remember he was booked for protesting the penalty award and then may have deemed touching the ref aswell when he didn't move away so can't remember if that was second yellow. He's been back playing a few weeks so it wasn't a violent conduct red card.
He officially changed his name to Moron Oliver after Dalot's red. Thank God it was the end of the game and didn't end up being consequential but the call could not have been more ridiculous
Yellow. Then a Straight red for what he called him.
He needs to call it out, SAF would never let this sh#t fly
Terrible ref, massive knobhead.
Booking a player for dissent is within a referee's right. If they happen to immediately dissent against then the player is to blame if that referee decides to take the same action.
The problem, as always, is that this hardline approach to enforcing the rules will be quickly forgotten about now. We won't see another similar sending off this season and there will plenty of other players that have the same reaction to a decision that Dalot had and will escape without being booked.
It's like before taking charge of our matches referees will spin a wheel that randomly decides which rule they'll be taking a no-nonsense approach to that day.
The problem, as always, is that this hardline approach to enforcing the rules will be quickly forgotten about now. We won't see another similar sending off this season and there will plenty of other players that have the same reaction to a decision that Dalot had and will escape without being booked.
It's like before taking charge of our matches referees will spin a wheel that randomly decides which rule they'll be taking a no-nonsense approach to that day.
How about make the right decision in the first place, and accept that if you are incompetent you can go feck off with your fragile feelings when people complain.
There was no second dissent. Let us not start this narrative.
Could we get Jamie Oliver to replace him?
The only other time I've seen a ref give two yellow cards to a player for continued dissent was Anthony Taylor to Vidal in a CL game during lockdown. I remember thinking at the time that it was a rare occurrence, however Vidal squared up to the ref in a threatening manner. That's not what happened with Dalot.
The second yellow was part of the same strop.
Watched MOTD and they didn’t discuss the red. This is why the manager has to give a proper answer to the question and make it a talking point. You can’t just let it go
That was the first post in this thread, from 2013!
Not much has changed in ten fecking years, evidently.
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I'd agree with you in theory however I think Ten Hag is picking the right moments to kick up a fuss, for example after Casemiro's red vs Southampton he spoke out about how it was a poor decision. Whereas a 94th minute red didn't influence the result of the game.
Surely, you have to be consistent with expressing your views, whether win, lose or draw.
Look at the way Klopp regularly complains about the officials post match and comes across as a whingy shithead. Ten Hag doesn't have the credit in the bank that Klopp has, so I think he'd be in danger of coming across as an unlikeable bloke if he whinged about every poor decision that went against us. In press conferences you've got to 'play the game' - pick the right moments to dig out the ref, so that the media sits up and take notice. I don't think a 94th minute red was the right moment to kick up a fuss (even though it was a poor decision).
"It's Dalot's fault for reacting immediately, and not taking a second to think." Or something similar. Which is funny because that's clearly what Oliver does as well, and Oliver hasn't just had a incorrect decision called against him moments before.
Nah who cares about appearing whingy. Klopp acting like a wanker is the reason they get favourable decisions. ETH has to make every decision that goes against us a big deal. I am so sick that Oliver can just be an idiot and get away with it
I think you're absolutely right. We don't benefit from whinging about this decision. All that would happen is that Ten Hag would get fined and nothing else would come of it. It's not even the most scandalous decision this season and look where complaining has gotten us before - nowhere. We all know this.
On the other hand I will happily moan on this forum about Oliver being a massive fecking twat. Because we also all know this
Klopp has the success in England to get away with those type of comments. And because Man United aren't the media darlings like Liverpool, if Ten Hag starts complaining about every poor refereeing the decision, the media narrative will be "stop shifting the blame. You've spent hundreds of millions on transfers and you're sat in 7th".
He didn't throw his 2nd strop after the yellow though. Watch the footage again in this thread.
He still blames us for Kevin Keegan and Newcastle bottling the title all those years ago.
Agree with you - it was ridiculous. But it was one of those where - if you ready the rulebook word by word without any kind of understanding for people or context - you can probably interpret it as a correct decision.
Shame he forgot to book Salah for waving an imaginary yellow card in the same situation, considering he's reading the rulebook word by word.
When Ref to us, refer to the law book.
When Ref to Other top team, refer to discretion.
Those law book fouls were happened again and again against us this season, and no foul for other top teams (We have no benefit except Wolves match in day one)
Refer to law book, how many cards should give to Nunez in first half?
Your argument falls on the fact that by the time Oliver walks up to him and gives him the second yellow Dalot’s already calmed down, turned away from Oliver and is recovering from the run.
If flailing your arms twice (the last of which happens as you’re being shown a yellow card) is two separate counts of dissent worthy of two yellows then surely every verbal protest that consists of more than one sentence should be punished with two yellows.
Working to rule, it would be funny to see a ref using the rulebook word for word for a game. Suffice it to say, that ref would never appear again in the football league, but it would be fun to watch.
What was an interesting highlighting of it, was when Darwin earned himself three (or four) yellows in the space of five seconds, and everybody said, yea yea, but you juat don’t give more than one in a situation like that. Of course, if the VAR ref knew what Oliver was going to do later, he would have to call him to the screen to watch Nunez’ kicking of the ball after the whistle, verbal protest, ironical applaud and ironical thumbs up. Maybe he would have received two reds, is that possible?
I know we're being mad at him and all, and rightly so, because it was a shit decision, but your post is a bit selective, innit?
You make it seem like United is the only outlier. Oliver gives a red cards once every 9 games to United, as you say, but it's not like United is the only team getting red cards with that sort of frequency from Oliver.
11.66 — Aston Villa
10.75 — Leicester City
9.60 — Spurs
9.16 — Arsenal
9.16 — Everton
9.00 — Man Utd
8.66 — Burnley
3.75 — Huddersfield (only 15 games, 4 reds, wonder what they did to him)
Can we request a ref not to be at our game? As too bias against us!!
We should definitely do that if we can
We should definitely do that if we can
Just saw something funny - i accidentally watched highlights from OGS' first game in charge against Cardiff. Rashford is defending a set-piece and used his breast / shoulder to take the ball away from danger - clearly no handball. Penalty is given - guess who the ref in that game was haha 