The mistake our club continues to do is not putting in buy back clauses. If this was someone who was not highly rated it would make sense but Keane was a highly rated youngster so a buy back clause should be a no brainer
Michael Keane| signed to Everton.
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And Keane is a "Jones type"?
Why is it a mistake not to have a buy-back clause? He's still not good enough for us. A buy-back clause wouldn't change anything - if we want to sign him we can sign him like we do every other player.
I suppose you'd be advocating having Ryan Shawcross back at the club - and he did have a buy-back clause once upon a time.
It would just feel sooo dumb us spending another 30 mill on one of own graduates. £120 million to bring back our own players just reeks of incompetence, from a club who in the past, had prided itself on the class of 92, bringing through our own players unlike Madrid etc.
I still don't think he's all that. Maybe others have watched him more than I have, but I don't really get what all the fuss is about. He seems at a Shawcross type of level.
AFAIK people like Memphis have one...
My view as well. He is good and looks comfortable on the ball but needs to be tested against the very best but i guess the only way to do that is if he stepped up a level from Burnley and then maybe step up again from there.
I agree with what they said about him on ITV last night that he would become a world class CB..
He has all the attributes, would love to get him back. He is reliable, not always injured like Jones and really good on the ball (not like Smalling), english and homegrown.
We should go all out to get him back.
He has all the attributes, would love to get him back. He is reliable, not always injured like Jones and really good on the ball (not like Smalling), english and homegrown.
We should go all out to get him back.
Agreed.
He's never going to become player we regret selling and wouldn't make our bench never mind start games for us right now.
Think he'll end up at Everton myself, they need to replace Jagielka with someone better and Keane would be a great signing for them.
Aren't most "buyback clauses" really right of first refusal clauses meaning if a player is sold to another PL team, Manchester United would retain the right to match any offer if the club wanted him back? But even in that case, what if he absolutely did not want to return, would any sort of buyback clause allow us to force him back?
He's got his faults but I like the way he gets his head up and can pass with both feet, unlike our current English centre halfs.
It what world is Bailly cool and calm? He's everything but. He's got everything else though. Well, except heading, he sucks big time there.
According to the rumors, we've a sell on clause, so it's not that bad.
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Sure Keane seems to be good now but I'd choose Harry Maguire from Hull if one should take a "risk" buying someone from a "small" club, with maybe a less experience.
United do have a sell on clause with Keane.
I can't see City coming in for him and just don't see him going to Liverpool, can't see how any Mancunian who was at United all through his youth could move there. Spurs have more pressing matters so that leaves Chelsea or Everton.
I can't see City coming in for him and just don't see him going to Liverpool, can't see how any Mancunian who was at United all through his youth could move there. Spurs have more pressing matters so that leaves Chelsea or Everton.
Harry Maguire would be much better if we were looking to bring in a CB.
Why?
Keane has now couple of seasons under his belt. PL XP and the national team. Plus he is a former United player and knows everything inside and out..
I would go for him...
So? The likes of Lindelof are quoted at circa £35-40m anyway, far less proven in a proper league. City have discovered with the likes of Mangala and Otamendi that buying defenders from abroad is expensive and risky; Keane ticks all the boxes and has developed into a solid performer, so under a coach like Mourinho with better teammates and hopefully Champions League exposure, he could go up to the next level.
He's already more measured and reliable positionally, and has much better decision making and fitness than Jones, and has the same positive attributes Smalling does (mobile, aerially strong, robust) with a better footballing brain, technique and ability to distribute properly.
He's a lot better than Bonucci was at the same age, and even Vidic was in his latter-mid twenties when he arrived; he's got all to qualities required to become an elite defender. He just needs the chance, and if United don't give it to him, Chelsea Spurs, Arsenal or maybe even City will.
Harry Maguire is a level below Keane, and the only other young British central defenders worth looking at would be Gibson (who IMO is more limited than MK) and Alfie Mawson (who I really like and would probably compliment Keane well and is a Mourinho defender)
Physically he is stronger and has better aerial ability, also seems to have the sort of mentality suited to a big club.
I feel you are overating him. He has been acceptable for how many seasons. Otamendi and Mangela were doing it for longer when purchased. On the basis he is good for relegation Burnley, the idea of Elite level seems absurd. what are the qualities you are referring to?
He is no where near good enough ffs.
Playing for Burnley is completely different than playing for United.
All four of our current CB's are far far better.
We concede very few goals yet people want to dismantle our back line.
The problem lies at the other end of the pitch
Playing for Burnley is completely different than playing for United.
All four of our current CB's are far far better.
We concede very few goals yet people want to dismantle our back line.
The problem lies at the other end of the pitch
Indeed
Why is this even a discussion? Micheal Keane is a good defender but he's no way as good as the likes of Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Bailly or even Blind! All of sudden he gets a call up for England and most people want to buy him back now?! Get real guys... Too much hype over English players getting called up for international duty and all of sudden they're hot s**t. Don't get me wrong he played well last night but it was against Germany's B team in a friendly match and England still lost.
I'd happily replace Jones AND Smalling with him.
He's actually a better prospect than Jones and Smalling. I'll take him over them. However, if I had a different choice, I wouldn't take him. I am convinced that what United needs right now is a solid, ball playing center back with high football IQ.
Is Keane that good ball playing CB? He may be more football intelligent, but he's just very slow for ball playing CB. You can throw Terry as example, but there is a reason Mourinho needed to play that deep defensive line.
I can't judge Keane yet but he had plenty of protection from midfield at Burnley, which with us have to play on front foot we don't often offer the same. I have my doubt on his 1 vs 1 with attacker without much cover. Seems to get turned easy & can't recover
Alli wasn't good enough when Spurs initially signed him; neither were Walker and Rose. The only way they get to that point is guidance and patience from a good coach, and exposure to top-level football.
I think he's more complete than Jones and Smalling, who both have obvious flaws. He's also had more solid performances in the Premier League than Bailly.
Rio Ferdinand has also backed him as good enough to return to United.....
The top level can be double edge. Would be the level for player to step up & make name or would expose player's flaw, lack quality. Then how team play is also different.
This argument is very flawed. Bailly has been in England for less than a year & can't speak the language. There is language barrier that can affect his performance (communication). Football culture shock would be another with how he was not well equipped with aerial ability coming from La Liga. I can spin the argument the other way that Bailly contained Bale & Ronaldo last season, while Bale destroyed Keane couple seasons ago (and he's still slow whenever going against pacy attacker), & Keane wouldn't do as well as Bailly playing in Spain with the lack cover & constant exposure to 1 vs 1 pacy & trickery attackers; evidently by no Spanish clubs wanted him. So this type of argument doesn't stand. With Bailly potential can be really high while Keane could have been at the state of trying to push his limit already. I am not sure
Rio also backed Stones is worse than Keane IMO. Rio being consistent here, but seems like he's trying to hype up English young CBs than actually being critical of them.
Sure, Bailly has a crazy challenge in him from time to time, but he is composed and calm on the ball. He's a good passer as well for a CB, and he's already a physical beast who times his tackles to perfection most of the time (again, apart from his occasional crazy lunges). He's already our best CB imo. He's the least of our problems.
Is Keane better than Showcross, Evans now?
Just sign Laporte.
I've never seen him play. But that's irrelevant. Caf says he's the shit.
I've never seen him play. But that's irrelevant. Caf says he's the shit.
Laporte recently had a big injury. We wouldn't want that after Jones. Also its better to have someone who would give more for the shirt and not someone who would leave us after a few years for top 3. All this can be hypothetical but we would not want another DDG situation here do we?
Laporte has played 32 games this season, more than Jones. Jones cannot stay fit for 5 minutes. He just attracts injuries.
Buy a young promising player, get more than half a decade of top class performances, sell him for a profit. Yeah, why would we want that?
We're Manchester United, and the minimum we should expect from a player is they retire with us and then stay on as a global ambassador.
People who say he is no where good enough must pay heed to united's academy coaches who coached him, they want united to sign him back. and certainly he'll be better than Phil Injured jones.
United could cash in on Michael Keane
Whoever Michael Keane is sold to in the summer United are set to benefit.
United sold Keane in 2015 for just £2m but reports suggest that he could leave for £25m in the summer.
Should that happen United would get a quarter of that, potentially earning them around £6m which means United could receive triple what they sold him for in 2015.
Whoever Michael Keane is sold to in the summer United are set to benefit.
United sold Keane in 2015 for just £2m but reports suggest that he could leave for £25m in the summer.
Should that happen United would get a quarter of that, potentially earning them around £6m which means United could receive triple what they sold him for in 2015.
I wasn't comparing him to Jones. I was saying that we have had enough with Jones and should not replace him with another injury prone player. As for Phil, he is just unlucky, was finally having a decent run in the side but yet again he is out injured.
I'd be going in for him at 19m. Don't get much for that these days.
Fecking Van Gaal and his alleged brilliance at youth development. Fecks off Keane and holds onto McNair and Blackett. Spanner.
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