Michael Keane| signed to Everton.

Do you want Michael Keane back at United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 259 43.0%

  • No

    Votes: 172 28.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 171 28.4%
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I was never a big fan of Smalling. I believe that fans overrated him massively and that he lacks the brains to ever be as good as Vidic let alone Rio. There again, while I have doubts that he is regular first teamer level for a club like ours, its also true that it would be very stupid for us to sell him. He's a decent defender, whose good in air and would provide the legwork to someone with more brains
 
Keane is solid but unspectacular. Proper attributes for a 3rd choice defender, but flogging off smalling for him? Meh.

That being said, wouldn't surprise me if he turns into Cahill when Chelsea first signed him, was immense for them.
 
King Kendrick said:
Keane is solid but unspectacular. Proper attributes for a 3rd choice defender, but flogging off smalling for him? Meh.

That being said, wouldn't surprise me if he turns into Cahill when Chelsea first signed him, was immense for them.
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I wondered if he could "be our cahill" - coming from a lower team and stepping up. with the benefit of having been here.

No john terry at his peak here though to guide him and develop him on the pitch. we really lack that defensive leader others can rally to.

If nothing else he'd be a solid, dependable option. more so than blind, rojo or jones are, which would be great.
 
I think we've dropped a bollock here. He looks absolutely fantastic at the minute.
 
He consistently looks like Burnley's best player and he'll definitely a get a move up the table, but 'fantastic' seems a bit of a stretch.
 
Always knew he was going to be very good. But part of the reason for his development is the consistent game time he has gotten, which we obviously couldn't have given.
 
FujiVice said:
I think we've dropped a bollock here. He looks absolutely fantastic at the minute.
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He only looks good from playing regular football. Wouldn't have played much here with the options we have. It was the right decision for both parts imo.
 
Van Diijk's replacement in the summer? Or could he make the step up straight to a top team?

Surely he's leaving Burnley though.
 
We need more players with the "United DNA", so I'd welcome him back with open arms.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
He only looks good from playing regular football. Wouldn't have played much here with the options we have. It was the right decision for both parts imo.
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We had Daily Blind at centre half last year. If that wasnt a lack of options at the back, I have no idea what is.
 
He looked the real deal playing in the Championship for Leicester aged 19. He and Morgan were the foundation of the stingiest defence in the division.

Letting him go for £1 million is one of our more understatedly poor (terrible) moves in the transfer market in recent times.
 
I don't think he's any better than Shawcross at his prime under Pulis tbh. Good player and definitely worth a few bob now he's playing week in, week out, but it's not exactly like it's the Pogba situation all over again.
 
Is Keane better than say Jones? They're only about 11 months difference in age. Personally I'd rather keep Jones and if we were to invest in a new CB, get someone with perhaps a higher calibre, like Laporte to fill the LCB position.
 
United Pro said:
Is Keane better than say Jones? They're only about 11 months difference in age. Personally I'd rather keep Jones and if we were to invest in a new CB, get someone with perhaps a higher calibre, like Laporte to fill the LCB position.
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Hard to say but 1/Keane is less injury-prone and 2/has higher performance score this season. I don't think there's a need to replace any of our current CB though.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
He only looks good from playing regular football. Wouldn't have played much here with the options we have. It was the right decision for both parts imo.
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You do know there's loan deals for exactly this reason? We sold him for an embarrassingly low fee and it was a terrible decision.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
You do know there's loan deals for exactly this reason? We sold him for an embarrassingly low fee and it was a terrible decision.
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I mentioned the other day that I bet we didn't put a sell on clause in it either. You can bet your bottom dollar that today he either wouldn't be sold or there would be a buy back clause and a sell on clause. We did terrible business then. More concerned about getting shot of players than looking to the future.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I mentioned the other day that I bet we didn't put a sell on clause in it either. You can bet your bottom dollar that today he either wouldn't be sold or there would be a buy back clause and a sell on clause. We did terrible business then. More concerned about getting shot of players than looking to the future.
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I bet we did. We've always put in sell on clauses in pretty much every sale of youth players.
 
PoTMS said:
I don't think he's any better than Shawcross at his prime under Pulis tbh. Good player and definitely worth a few bob now he's playing week in, week out, but it's not exactly like it's the Pogba situation all over again.
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I agree.
 
Plays for a similar team, but Keane has more to offer on the ball. Maybe he will be able to prove that under a different manager.
 
ManUchosenbosslvg said:
You do know there's loan deals for exactly this reason? We sold him for an embarrassingly low fee and it was a terrible decision.
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well sometimes players want to play regular football and don't want to be loaned out, if he was told he's 5th or 6th centerback in the team he fancied his chacnes elsewhere, he got a bonus on signing and being their player their invested theri time in him straight away than playing him week in week out to play him in the form to lose him when we recalled him after season, yes we could have done better but only th ebst with good timing will succeed here, we also have bigger stars in the academy, TFM was also rated higher and if developing as a CB he would outpass Keane, Axel and Roshaun, perhaps Poole, Jones is only a year older, still a better player...

It's a win win, there will be a lot others leaving
 
PoTMS said:
I don't think he's any better than Shawcross at his prime under Pulis tbh. Good player and definitely worth a few bob now he's playing week in, week out, but it's not exactly like it's the Pogba situation all over again.
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This. Need to pull our heads out the clouds and look at facts a la Rafa Benitez.
  • Judged to not be good enough at United
  • Moved to Championship with Burnley
  • Done well in a recently promoted team currently in 12th
Surely the above is not grounds to suddenly think he is good enough to make it as a 1st choice CB at United? We are well stocked with 'good but not great' CBs, why add another to the list. WBA have been really good defensively this season but we don't want Evans back...
 
If we are going to sign another CB it should be someone who is great now, rather than might be great later. We have 3/4 good/potential to be great CB's right now, we need a significant upgrade. I think an established player would help, especially someone with some CL experience. We don't know how our current 4 will fair against the likes Bayern or Barcelona, if we want a new signing, we want someone who has done that before and won't be like a deer in headlights. Last years Ramos speculation was great for that reason.
 
Zlatattack said:
If we are going to sign another CB it should be someone who is great now, rather than might be great later. We have 3/4 good/potential to be great CB's right now, we need a significant upgrade. I think an established player would help, especially someone with some CL experience. We don't know how our current 4 will fair against the likes Bayern or Barcelona, if we want a new signing, we want someone who has done that before and won't be like a deer in headlights. Last years Ramos speculation was great for that reason.
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We have tried for Ramos, Hummels, Godin recently, while in other positions we've tried for Bale, Neymar, Muller etc all to no avail, in fact we prob missed out on other targets while wasting time on these unattainable stars, the fact we're not longer a Champions League club still has an impact too.

José seems to agree

"But I think we need to be realistic and I know what the impossible targets are. I don't like my club to participate in impossible deals."

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/1862/pr...o-man-utd-wont-waste-time-on-impossible-deals
 
Obiorahking_ said:
Why no buy back clause on contract?
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Who knows? Maybe the player himself had no interest in coming back to us, he did make a smart comment about our money and how we'd prob just buy 2 players to start ahead of him in our squad. Sounds like a young player that was disillusioned.
 
mav_9me said:
Always knew he was going to be very good. But part of the reason for his development is the consistent game time he has gotten, which we obviously couldn't have given.
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it is one of the thing we always need to remember when we sell off some of our youngsters, they will get better once they get playing time but in many cases we are not going to be able to give them those games. We can't give every young player 20 to 30 games a season, so many will be moved on and many will become decent players. It doesn't mean they will become top quality that we should have kept, but they will in many cases improve.
 
Nice piece about Keane there in the Guardian. We loaned , sorry, Van Gaal loaned out Nani (whilst paying or part paying his wages) to buy Rojo and then loaned out Keane before selling him. For a million quid. Amazed we haven't gone bust to be honest!! Rather have Keane still here over Rojo.
 
If he was here he wouldn't be the player he is today.. But would love to sign him..
 
We truely have made some horrific signing's and equally sales over the last few years especially since SAF left, I mean it's understandable to a degree because we were so bad we tried to throw money at the problem and overlook what we actually did need, I mean the 14/15 summer was madness, Di Maria and Falcao were nothing more than papering the cracks, Rooney getting that bumper contract the year before, Nani getting a new 5 year contract then sold next season and buying Fellaini just for the sake of it, that alone send's shivers down my spine

Then some of the sales, Welbeck (albeit a bit of a crock at times) for 17m to a direct rival, madness, Zaha to a premier league club for 3m, Chico for 10m, Rafael for 2m, Johnny Evans (at 27) to a premier league club for 7m yet we constantly get shafted all the time because we're Man Utd,

Thank God Mourinho has settled the ship and brought normality back to a degree, all our summer signing's were much needed, Pogba was crazy but we all knew it would take a world transfer fee to get him back and will become the best in his position (imo) and then not letting us get fleeced by Everton and other clubs for our players.
 
Jando said:
We truely have made some horrific signing's and equally sales over the last few years especially since SAF left, I mean it's understandable to a degree because we were so bad we tried to throw money at the problem and overlook what we actually did need, I mean the 14/15 summer was madness, Di Maria and Falcao were nothing more than papering the cracks, Rooney getting that bumper contract the year before, Nani getting a new 5 year contract then sold next season and buying Fellaini just for the sake of it, that alone send's shivers down my spine

Then some of the sales, Welbeck (albeit a bit of a crock at times) for 17m to a direct rival, madness, Zaha to a premier league club for 3m, Chico for 10m, Rafael for 2m, Johnny Evans (at 27) to a premier league club for 7m yet we constantly get shafted all the time because we're Man Utd,

Thank God Mourinho has settled the ship and brought normality back to a degree, all our summer signing's were much needed, Pogba was crazy but we all knew it would take a world transfer fee to get him back and will become the best in his position (imo) and then not letting us get fleeced by Everton and other clubs for our players.
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To be fair Rafael since leaving hasn't looked near the level he had during Ferguson's final season. Welbeck wasn't or isn't a terrible sale either, considering how many injuries he's had. Evans similar to Schneiderlin didn't seem to be able to cope with the pressure. Zaha might just found his level and you could make a similar case with Chicharito. Ferguson truly made them better than they actually were. I agree on the whole money aspect though. We should have made more money with our sales.

I'd also argue that our signings weren't that bad based on what they did for their previous clubs. Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Shaw, Herrera, di Maria, Falcao, Blind, Memphis and Rojo were all important or even the best players on their team. It's just how we used them and other factors that it didn't work out.

Keeping McNair and Blackett and selling Keane were definitely terrible decisions. I thought it was obvious that the latter was and is the better player.
 
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