Michael Keane| signed to Everton.

Do you want Michael Keane back at United?

  • Yes

    Votes: 259 43.0%

  • No

    Votes: 172 28.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 171 28.4%
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Blind said:
Evans would be a great signing, one of the classiest centre backs in the league and has all the qualities to balance out Bailly. He deserves a move to a top 6 team this summer.
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No he wouldn't be. I was glad when we sold him, got found out after years of being molly coddled by Ferdinand and Vidic.
 
POF said:
Of course it was. Van Gaal rated McNair and Blackett ahead of him. That's why he left.

The issue for me is that the club had nobody to say to LVG "while the characteristics you may want in a centre back are being good on the ball and left footed, you're here for 3 years maximum and there is a reasonable chance that the next manager might want defenders who are good at defending. Let's send him on loan for now".
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He wanted to leave to get more game time. LVG couldn't offer that with Rojo, Jones, Smalling and Blind in front of him.

Why are we involving the club to decide on players that not how the club is run neither should it be.
 
Acole9 said:
No he wouldn't be. I was glad when we sold him, got found out after years of being molly coddled by Ferdinand and Vidic.
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Yeah he's too pu$€y for top level. Would be perfect at Arsenal though.
 
POF said:
The issue for me is that the club had nobody to say to LVG "while the characteristics you may want in a centre back are being good on the ball and left footed, you're here for 3 years maximum and there is a reasonable chance that the next manager might want defenders who are good at defending. Let's send him on loan for now".
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They wanted to send him on loan but he wanted it permanent.

For me, I'm happy if a player leaves and we buy him back. If he had stuck around, he wouldn't be at this level now. I doubt he would be where is now even if he was going out on loan every season and getting good game time. At 21, if they're not in the squad, players should be sold. We shouldn't hold players back for our own selfish purposes.
 
I'm surprised this thread is so dead today. I thought there'd be quite a lively conversation on him today after BBC said we're trying to sign him
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Jones and Smalling are nowhere near as bad as people here make out. Defense has not really been our problem that last 3 seasons. Keane would not a huge improvement on either of them. Heck I think Jones when fit is a better defender and only one year older than Keane but, "when fit" is obviously a huge caveat. It would be a nice story bringing back a homegrown player but, we can do a lot better than Keane if we bring in a new CB.
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They are worse...
 
Nate Dogg said:
They are worse...
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They are not. Jones has been good about 90% of the time this season and Smalling was really good last season and has been generally decent this season. We have been a good defensive side for the last three seasons and they have been a part of that. Jones injury history is definitely worrying but, Smalling's is not as bad as people make it out to be. I would be fine if we stood pat at the CB position.
 
POF said:
It's a completely different situation to Fabregas and Pique. They were picked off by big clubs exploiting European labour laws. They were both big prospects at Barcelona.

Keane was sold because he wasn't deemed good enough. Then a couple of years later he's worth £25m. It's either a short sighted and flawed transfer strategy or a terribly expensive alternative to a long term loan.
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Or maybe, y'know, it's because he improved beyond expectations, precisely because he had the stability of a permanent club.

I still have reservations. I seem to be on my own in thinking that he's a bit too slow to be top class.
 
The Keane situation wouldn't be so unpalatable if he had been sold with a buy back clause, even if it was up to 10m.

Unless it is a great price offer, youth products shouldn't be sold without a buy back clause cos so many thing could change (e.g. converted to new role, new coach, different system etc) and the player blooms beyond your initial expectations.
 
It would be quite demoralising if a side who have ambition to get back to being one of the best team's in the world, capable of competing with the likes of Real and Barcelona etc, sign Michael Keane from Burnley to bolster the CB ranks. He's Everton standard at best, just a run-of-the-mill decent-good English CB. If we sign Keane to partner Bailly, we shouldn't be surprised to be hovering around 5th again.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
It would be quite demoralising if a side who have ambition to get back to being one of the best team's in the world, capable of competing with the likes of Real and Barcelona etc, sign Michael Keane from Burnley to bolster the CB ranks. He's Everton standard at best, just a run-of-the-mill decent-good English CB. If we sign Keane to partner Bailly, we shouldn't be surprised to be hovering around 5th again.
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So who should we sign?
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
It would be quite demoralising if a side who have ambition to get back to being one of the best team's in the world, capable of competing with the likes of Real and Barcelona etc, sign Michael Keane from Burnley to bolster the CB ranks. He's Everton standard at best, just a run-of-the-mill decent-good English CB. If we sign Keane to partner Bailly, we shouldn't be surprised to be hovering around 5th again.
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Because a young defender at a lower club could never be good enough for us?
 
Sky and BBC said we are after him so it seems likely we will be getting him.

I love the idea personally.

Young, fit CB is what we need.
 
Gopher Brown said:
Or maybe, y'know, it's because he improved beyond expectations, precisely because he had the stability of a permanent club.

I still have reservations. I seem to be on my own in thinking that he's a bit too slow to be top class.
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As a club, United put huge sums of money into youth development and the sole focus of that is identifying and developing talented players for the first team.

Keane spent years at the club where he would have been working with highly paid professionals every day. Their job is to assess whether those players are or could be capable of playing in the first team.

Less than 2 years ago, the club made the decision (or allowed LVG) to let him go for £2m. Now, 2 years later, when he is no longer at the club and they can see him for 90 minutes a week at most, he is suddenly deemed good enough? Not just good enough, but worth spending £25m on. That is gross incompetence.

There is certainly an element that moving to Burnley helped his development but in my opinion, the added pressure of coming with a £25m price tag makes him much less likely to succeed than if he came through the youth ranks with less pressure.
 
Just another daft LVG decision. It does suck buying him back for 15 times what we let him go for but if Jose wants him so be it. Will looked by far the more talented of the two at reserve and youth level. It just goes to show that predicting anything to do with youth is really difficult.
 
I won't be against this even though it is a bit underwhelming. He has performed on a level above Smalling and Jones this season, plus he doesn't break down twice each season.

Will also help with the homegrown quota and won't kick up a fuss when benched for our prefered combo of Rojo and Bailly.
 
POF said:
As a club, United put huge sums of money into youth development and the sole focus of that is identifying and developing talented players for the first team.

Keane spent years at the club where he would have been working with highly paid professionals every day. Their job is to assess whether those players are or could be capable of playing in the first team.

Less than 2 years ago, the club made the decision (or allowed LVG) to let him go for £2m. Now, 2 years later, when he is no longer at the club and they can see him for 90 minutes a week at most, he is suddenly deemed good enough? Not just good enough, but worth spending £25m on. That is gross incompetence.

There is certainly an element that moving to Burnley helped his development but in my opinion, the added pressure of coming with a £25m price tag makes him much less likely to succeed than if he came through the youth ranks with less pressure.
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This isn't Football Manager though, or FIFA, where players make more-or-less linear progress until they achieve their potential. Human beings don't work like that, and because of that some will fall through the gaps. I firmly believe that if Martial hadn't have been injured that time, Rashford would never have got his chance, and would either still be in the reserves, or sold.

When he played for us, Michael Keane did not look terribly good, and did not take his opportunity to impress. A couple of clunkers apart, there are very few youth products that have gone on to excel in that way Keane has, to the point where we're looking at bringing them back.

Are you furious about Danny Drinkwater as well?
 
Don't mean to get all LVG but doesn't Keane play as the right sided CB for Burnley? Bailly is also our RCB, so how does that work? I don't think I'v seen Keane or Bailly play as a LCB, Ben Mee usually plays there for Burnley as he's left footed. So in a way are we buying him to compete with Bailly? If so that would surely indicate Smalling is off as he's mainly a RCB.

I could be well off the mark and that LVG has brainwashed me, just a thought though.
 
Chelsea did it with Matic. we should really be putting buyback clauses on our academy kids though.
 
Cheekiey said:
Don't mean to get all LVG but doesn't Keane play as the right sided CB for Burnley? Bailly is also our RCB, so how does that work? I don't think I'v seen Keane or Bailly play as a LCB, Ben Mee usually plays there for Burnley as he's left footed. So in a way are we buying him to compete with Bailly? If so that would surely indicate Smalling is off as he's mainly a RCB.

I could be well off the mark and that LVG has brainwashed me, just a thought though.
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He played left side in the England game and was excellent (on the ball and defending)
 
Cheekiey said:
Great! Him Bailly Rojo and one of the chuckle bro's competing for 2 positions is solid
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Not sure if you are being sarcastic but Keane is a very good premier league centre back. He's incredibly dominant in the air and comfortable on the ball. He's homegrown and a United boy through and through. I see only benifit in having him here. I'm sure he'd contribute more than Smalling or Jones has this season for sure.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
It would be quite demoralising if a side who have ambition to get back to being one of the best team's in the world, capable of competing with the likes of Real and Barcelona etc, sign Michael Keane from Burnley to bolster the CB ranks. He's Everton standard at best, just a run-of-the-mill decent-good English CB. If we sign Keane to partner Bailly, we shouldn't be surprised to be hovering around 5th again.
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You are writing him off at such an early stage of his career? You are completely missing the point of building a squad. It consists of world class players and some players who could step in their shoes when required.

He is a Gary Cahill type signing for me. Not too high profile, but consistent and dependable. And of course not injury prone. Chelsea never suffered because of him. You just can't have world class players at every position. Even madrid have nacho who ain't world class but he did his job against Bayern.

It's the only deal which is not overpriced considering the sell on clause. Helps in our homegrown quota and a premier league experienced player. He won't be a starter immediately but will develop and eventually replace someone in the first XI.
 
Lawman said:
Not sure if you are being sarcastic but Keane is a very good premier league centre back. He's incredibly dominant in the air and comfortable on the ball. He's homegrown and a United boy through and through. I see only benifit in having him here. I'm sure he'd contribute more than Smalling or Jones has this season for sure.
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Wasn't being sarcastic at all! I would be genuinely happy if we signed Keane back, for pretty much all the reasons you have mentioned.

I meant it as in we will have Keane, Bailly, Rojo and 1 of Smalling/Jones competing for those 2 CB spots. Keane is definitely better than Jones and Smalling purely becuase he is fit all season, but when both playing well and are fit, I don't think there is much between Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Keane and I think Bailly is a step ahead of them all.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
It would be quite demoralising if a side who have ambition to get back to being one of the best team's in the world, capable of competing with the likes of Real and Barcelona etc, sign Michael Keane from Burnley to bolster the CB ranks. He's Everton standard at best, just a run-of-the-mill decent-good English CB. If we sign Keane to partner Bailly, we shouldn't be surprised to be hovering around 5th again.
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Madrid signed Varane from relegated Lens team.
 
A very good defender, and would be a good partner for Bailly. Strong in the air and at reading thr game and making interceptions. Also good on the ball.

People are just kicking off because he is an unsexy signing, but it makes great sense.
 
To those posters who quoted me (I'm struggling to insert quotes for some reason):

1) I don't know who we should sign to be honest, but if we are serious about being a force in world football again Michael Keane isn't going to push us in the right direction.

2) I'd consider Virgil Van Dyk to be from a lower/inferior team and a CB who would greatly improve us. He is a good couple of levels above Keane and more in tune with what we should be targeting, IMO.

3) Good for Madrid. Varane is an infinitely more talented player than Michael Keane, IMO.

Like I said, I just don't rate him very highly. If he hadn't come through academy, not as many fans would want him back. To add to that, if he hadn't come through our academy and was called Mikkel Kenne from Holland, even fewer would want him back.

His affiliation with our youth team and his being home-grown are huge factors in why some want him back
 
Even if he isn't who I'd ideally want, I'm not going to doubt Mourinho's judgement in defenders - which usually seems pretty on point.
 
The price is going up everyday. I hope we get him for a reasonable price. Nothing over £20m
 
Gopher Brown said:
This isn't Football Manager though, or FIFA, where players make more-or-less linear progress until they achieve their potential. Human beings don't work like that, and because of that some will fall through the gaps. I firmly believe that if Martial hadn't have been injured that time, Rashford would never have got his chance, and would either still be in the reserves, or sold.

When he played for us, Michael Keane did not look terribly good, and did not take his opportunity to impress. A couple of clunkers apart, there are very few youth products that have gone on to excel in that way Keane has, to the point where we're looking at bringing them back.

Are you furious about Danny Drinkwater as well?
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Why would I be furious about Danny Drinkwater? Are United about to sign him for £25m?

I'm not furious about Keane either, just pointing out how poorly the club dealt with the situation. Keane was a very talented young defender. He was excellent on loan at Leicester and Burnley and was impressive in his first team opportunities at United. He didn't improve out of nowhere. It was clear he had potential. He was allowed to leave because McNair was better on the ball and Blackett was left footed.

Allowing LVG to make wholesale changes to the squad when he was on a short term contract and had such an unorthodox style of play was ludicrous. When assessing centre backs, he's about the only manager in world football who doesn't hold "defensive ability" as a key requirement.

If this deal happens, that's a £23m loss on Keane after the losses on Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay and most likely future losses on Darmian and Blind. Add to that players like Chicharito, Welbeck, Nani, Zaha sold for peanuts who all could have been very useful over the last couple of seasons.

All are signs of a poorly run club. If Keane is re-signed and fails to make the grade the club will be an utter laughing stock.
 
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