It only indicates further how clueless LVG was in the transfer market, the champion of youth who rated Blackett and Mcnair above Keane.
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So many on here are more knowledgeable about CBs than Mourinho.
I'm going to hold fire on that opinion till I see him turn out for united for a season.
I'd take a £60m Van Djik over a £25m Keane tbh.
Whilst I trust Mourinho in his defensive recruitment, I struggle to believe Keane is our top choice CB this window.
Whilst I trust Mourinho in his defensive recruitment, I struggle to believe Keane is our top choice CB this window.
I struggle to see how anyone at all thinks this'd be anything but one of the most underwhelming transfers in the last decade or so.
25m for a limited Burnley stopper that we basically gave away not long ago?
We have a string of centre backs already better than him! Yes, some are injury prone, but we need a TOP defender alongside Bailly, with Rojo and the rest able to cover.
Adding a player who isn't better than our others seems incredible.
I saw someone trying to liken this to other British transfers in Fergie's time.
The slight difference is that we were clearly buying the absolute best in the league with the likes of Rio, Keane (the proper one!), Ince etc
25m for a limited Burnley stopper that we basically gave away not long ago?
We have a string of centre backs already better than him! Yes, some are injury prone, but we need a TOP defender alongside Bailly, with Rojo and the rest able to cover.
Adding a player who isn't better than our others seems incredible.
I saw someone trying to liken this to other British transfers in Fergie's time.
The slight difference is that we were clearly buying the absolute best in the league with the likes of Rio, Keane (the proper one!), Ince etc
Considering Burnley wanted £25 mill for him and we have a 25% sell on clause, it's not going to cost us £25 million.
Personally I'll be delighted to see him back. We will possibly have Pogba, Rashford, Keane, Lingard, Pereira and Pereira lining up for us next season. Can any other top team in boast so many academy players in their first team squad?
Think he will be a very good player. But I'm not convinced he is any better than any of the lot we have. But maybe he can stay fit which would be a plus
I'd personally prefer a winning squad over one that can boast about the amount of academy players
It's also cause for embarrassment that two of those academy players actually cost the club over £125m
Next summer will see the return of Donald Love for £30m
It's good PR, and like I say if he's only a squad addition I can see why.
He chose to leave as he wanted regular game time, which was fair enough.
Like I say, if the plan is for him to take one of the crocks spot in the squad but not as the main starting CB I can see the logic, I guess.
You think he's more than a standard PL CB? I don't think he has anything in his game that particularly stands out.
Our defence has been fine this season, the crucial signings will be in midfield and attack.
Schneiderlin has a similar reputation to Virgil before he signed for us. That didn't work out too well did it.
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Keane appeared in all 44 of Burnley's league games the season before last and should start 36/38 this season.
People have seen the injuries to our CB crop this last few seasons yet still bitch when we add a solid player to the squad. Not only that but he knows the club inside and out and has 25% off his fee
We have the most extensive scouting network on here.
I'm tired of going into a season with two injury prone CBs. The ideal scenario would be getting rid of both Smalling and Jones and getting in Keane and another more experienced CB. Even if we can't pull that off, Keane would be a great addition to the squad.
Thankfully the chap on Sky just said its no more than an interest at the moment so talk of it being signed sealed and delivered are far from the mark
Looks like this one is happening then.
Have to say when it comes to Jose and CBs Vs RedCafe transfer muppets who would be happier if he was called Mikael van Këansteigericinho, I have to give it to Jose every time.
Let's look at his CB track record and the quality he's worked with:
Carvalho
Pepe
Terry
Zouma
Cahill
Ivanovic
Samuel
Lucio
Materazzi
Samuel
Luiz (fair enough)
Varane
Ramos
Bailly
So yeah, I trust Jose on this one.
Have to say when it comes to Jose and CBs Vs RedCafe transfer muppets who would be happier if he was called Mikael van Këansteigericinho, I have to give it to Jose every time.
Let's look at his CB track record and the quality he's worked with:
Carvalho
Pepe
Terry
Zouma
Cahill
Ivanovic
Samuel
Lucio
Materazzi
Samuel
Luiz (fair enough)
Varane
Ramos
Bailly
So yeah, I trust Jose on this one.
I've not really watched him that much.
A question for those who feel he's average: He's apparently won more aerial duels than anyone in Europe, reads the game quite well, and is quite comfortable on the ball - what offsets this that renders him average? What else are people looking for in a centre-half?
A question for those who feel he's average: He's apparently won more aerial duels than anyone in Europe, reads the game quite well, and is quite comfortable on the ball - what offsets this that renders him average? What else are people looking for in a centre-half?
Great post.
You forgot Khalid Boulahrouz and Ben Haim
I agree with you though. Jose has an excellent eye and track record for CB's so I'd definitely trust who he signs for the position.
I don't find him outstanding in any area, especially reading of the game. He plays in a deep Burnley set up which suits him well.He's slow both in terms of pace and on the turn. In a higher United defence IMO he'll be turned often enough for the opposition to target him.
I also think Evans has been a tad better over the last two years at WBA. Do people want him back as well?
I think on the ball he's better than your average PL CB. I also think that he's been relatively consistent since leaving United, which bodes well for him improving further considering he's still young. To be honest, if this is actually true, then I'm fairly certain Smalling and Jones are both gone. I've always rated the Keane brothers, Will more so than Michael, but I guess that staying injury free played its part in Michael's progression compared to Will's. If he was our only CB signing, then I wouldn't be as happy either.
Has Jose ever got a CB signing wrong?
Hard to tell. He was not in complete control of transfers at Porto, Inter, Real or Chelsea. And I doubt he would take any responsibility for Papy Djilobodji.
Papy is a Sunderland hero.
I'd be slightly underwhelmed by this signing, but I wouldn't be so adverse to it. I've fully lost it with Smalling and Jones, so a half decent english CB would be nice.
Even if he was close to Smalling and Jones in level (he's miles better than Smalling) at least he wouldn't be injured half the season.
Keane is a better CB than Jones and Smalling. Blind has no business being CB.
So what happens in the first half of next season when Rojo is still out and our medical students are out injured again? We rely on Bailly and Blind, concede cheap goals and eventually Bailly is injured due to fatigue. We dont even know in what condition Rojo will return. A suspension or injury for Bailly means we start two of Blind, Smalling and Jones.
No thanks. We need to bring in at least one decent CB. Keane is not world class but better CBs will cost higher than usual this summer due to scarcity of supply.
If you dont want keane, then you need to propose a better option cos playing the first half of next season with Bailly, Blind, Smalling and Jones is not a feasible option.
Emenalo signed him. He did want to sign Stones though. Or maybe that was Emenalos work too. Feck knows.
$60m fir Van Djik is absolutely ludicrous, even in todays market, decent centre back not a world beater though. Saying that Michael Keane, surely there is no truth in this? Again a decent defender, forgetting injury records though is he better than ANY of our centre backs? We have a lot....of average ones bar Bailly for me, why add another average one. We have two great youngsters, we need a quality centre back to add to that and Rojo as back ups, not another average defender that would be a squad signing
Jones and Smalling are nowhere near as bad as people here make out. Defense has not really been our problem that last 3 seasons. Keane would not a huge improvement on either of them. Heck I think Jones when fit is a better defender and only one year older than Keane but, "when fit" is obviously a huge caveat. It would be a nice story bringing back a homegrown player but, we can do a lot better than Keane if we bring in a new CB.
Is it? We're in an age where Stones goes for £50m, Luiz for £50m, Lindelof is tipped at £40m and Xakha goes for £35m. 60m might be slightly overpaying but it isn't too far away from the market prices these days. If you take Napoli President's words about Koulibaly, he rejected £47m from Chelsea in the summer.
An exotic galactico signing.
This narrative on here that all our defenders are shit is really starting to become quite tiresome. How is not feasible? Our defensive record this season has been fine and Michael Keane being flavour of the month doesn't automatically make him better than players like Smalling, Jones and Blind who've played at this level for quite a while now.
We should be bringing in players of the required quality or just not bother at all. How are we supposed to bridge the gap between us and the title or be competitive in the Champions League next season (assuming we make it) if we're targeting players with no experience at either level?
I would have him back in a heart beat. Solid not injury prone. Him and Bailly could be a nice pairing . Why not.
All the CBs you listed are better than Van Dijk imo.
Stones is a very good CB for his age. It is Guardiola that is a crappy coach when it comes to organizing a defense. His style of play leaves a conventional CB in vulnerable position. It was same at Barcelona and Bayern. Guardiola does better with DM converted to CBs like Mascherano and Martinez.
Lindelof aslo has a lot of potential and Koulibaly has been one of the best CBs in seria A the past 2 seasons.
The worst CB imo is actually Luiz. He is good as a sweeper and in a 3-man defence, but he is a disaster waiting to happen in a 2-man pairing. His uncomntrollable urge to go upfield often leaves his partner exposed behind.
Van Dijk is coming off a major injury and should not be priced beyond £40m
I agree with the first paragraph but, disagree with the second. Especially since we have recently had success signing a defender who did not have a ton of experience.
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