Not really. The price is reflective of the market - there are plenty clubs in for him, therefore, Burnley can create an auction. English clubs can't revel in the money generated by the Premier League and not have it reflected in the transfer market. It's artificial, but a by product of the current money they are making.
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Not really. The price is reflective of the market - there are plenty clubs in for him, therefore, Burnley can create an auction. English clubs can't revel in the money generated by the Premier League and not have it reflected in the transfer market. It's artificial, but a by product of the current money they are making.
He isn't Godin or Bonucci, but he's also not very ordinary. Plus, I doubt he's going to be our only signing there.
I haven't read he's going to cost 25m just that he's rated at 25m. I'll wait until it's official before quibbling over the price.
Not the problem of the club. It's the problem of getting different managers each year, each with their own opinion on these players.
It's not weird at all, IMO. Selling him for £2m was weird.
When he left, he was a United reserve, unwanted by his manager. Since then he's become the best centre half in the Championship, a very good PL centre half and a full England international, at the right age. Without evening mentioning that Leicester bid the guts of £15m last summer, since which time he's improved again. And he's English (and homegrown for us). Sure, he has a year on his deal, but £20m odd doesn't buy you much nowadays. The market dictates what he's worth and we and a few clubs value him around £25m. That's the mark.
EDIT: Bollocks. What a waste of typing. Basically, what @LonelyFire said.
I would have valued him at around £20m, before I realised he only has a year left.
Finishing 6th and signing Michael Keane, we really are transitioning into a midtable club.
yay
Hahaha. Glad we agree!
Well yeah, plus this way actually has some advantages. If you loan out a player there's a chance he might be treated a bit differently by the loaning club as he has no long term future there and is brought to perform instantly. If the player is on a long term contract then the other club will be looking to improve him in the best way they can, seeing as they also benefit from it.
Is exactly right.
It's true.. why aren't we signing Varane!!! that guy who was immense at the last Euro's.
I think the writing was on the wall when he was in the director's box the other day, he might be a fan but the deal could have well been wrapped up then.
5m less than Bailly and less than half as good
I think the contract thing is less of an issue than you do, tbh. English clubs can't be certain of his signature for another 12 months or so. £20m is only shit value if you can be absolutely sure you can get him for £0 in a year.
Also, transfer fees aren't the biggest issue for clubs. If he ends up going on a free, he has all the power and he can basically name his price. It could be something like £150k p/w and £15m over the life of the contract. He could easily cost more on a free than just taking him now for £25m or whatever it is and something like £100k p/w (e.g. Let's say he earns £50k more p/w on a free than this summer. Over a 5 year deal that's around £13m. Add in the increased signing/loyalty bonuses he'd expect on a Bosman and the sums aren't all that different)
£20m odd is nothing over a 5 year deal to clubs like us. If he's shit we'll sell him in a couple of seasons for £10m or so and be no worse off from an accounting point of view. Obviously as fans that's not our concern, but you can bet the club are more than aware of it.
Jeez I wonder what you lot would have made of it when Fergie bought Bruce, or Pallister, or Ince, or Roy Keane.
For me he is still a bit green defensively but that's down to experience and under Mourinho I'd back him to improve.
He reads the game well, can also play left CB and uses the ball well, reminds me of John Terry in that regard.
He reads the game well, can also play left CB and uses the ball well, reminds me of John Terry in that regard.
Bebe., Prunier. Blanc. Obertan , Djema x 2 Kleberson etc etc. Even the best mess up
One of Smalling and Jones are definitely leaving in the summer if this comes to fruition.
He's an upgrade over Smalling/Jones/Blind at CB with room to improve and homegrown. He will likely be only 1 out of 4/5 signings this summer and the areas we need to improve are fairly obvious. Would you have said the same thing when Fergie signed Roy Keane from a side that had just been relegated?
folks here always thought Gary Cahill was crap... if Michael Keane becomes as good as Cahill , we are good.. also he is very good on the air.. will be a threat going forward.. and when we play that hoof...
So I am all good of this signing goes though
So I am all good of this signing goes though
I think he's an incredibly average defender so I'd be annoyed if we signed him. I think we will though, unfortunately. The overrating of players who played for our academy goes on.
Not fussed about us resigning him or how much we pay. All i know is if there's one thing Jose is good at it will be spotting solid defenders.
Jose must see Keane as an upgrade on someone currently on our books and i'm cool with his judgement.
Jose must see Keane as an upgrade on someone currently on our books and i'm cool with his judgement.
Clueless if you think he's incredibly average.
I think there is going to be a couple of our signings like this in Summer where they aren't a big name but arriving to play a squad role. £19m for Keane isn't too bad considering what the going rate will be. He will be coming here to play as 3rd choice cb most likely and I'd much rather have him on the bench than Smalling, Jones or Blind.
This signing makes so much sense
You guys moaning probably want Bonucci lol. Welcome back Michael.
- English
- PL Proven
- Relatively Cheap
- Better than Smalling
- Better than Jones
- Would be happy as a 3rd option.
- Jose wants him and his track record with CBs is pretty damn good.
You guys moaning probably want Bonucci lol. Welcome back Michael.
He isn't, at all.
We should reserve any signings in defence for anyone who can substantially improve us or at least someone with the potential to do so. The only thing he has in common with Roy Keane is his surname.
You really think when we sold him to Burnley for 2M they would walk away of we inserted a buy back for 10M and turn down a 5 fold profit?
If they do sell him to a different championship team and tell Burnley to go feck themselves because they won't get another player from our academy again.
When you selling them for two million they would
Keane isn't in the same class as Bailly though and we know him better than anyone else.
When we signed Bailly we didn't even know what his class is. His success was a surprising gift to us.
Would rather United signed Van Dijk to be honest.
A question about clauses and the like - does anybody know if they still remain in tact when a player signs a new contract? E.G, if Keane stayed and signed a new deal, would the 25% sell-on clause still be in existence?
For £60m?
This is where we rationalize buying this player.
Ya, clauses are between clubs - not linked to a specific contract. Otherwise ever club out there would get a player to sign a revised contract 2 days after signing
I really hope our scouts knew more than you and I.
We'll hope so.
Bailly was being scouted for a while by many clubs. He turned Man City down to sign with us
Bailly was being scouted for a while by many clubs. He turned Man City down to sign with us
I knew this only recently when he said this, but at the time of his signing, I don't think anyone of us really knew him except die hard La Liga fans.
I think Keane has been scouted this season also ?
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