So its not suprising...its still Messi
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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How? Portugal are shite, it’s a miracle Ronaldo have 85 goals for them.
Surprised at that stat.
Goes to show that no matter how good you are, a strong supporting cast is absolutely essential.
The GOAT debate is over khalas. Let's stop with this shit
It's a tie 
Portugal better than Argentina according to Messi fans... No chance!! Besides Ronaldo singlehandedly getting a draw and the pony Quaresma doing his 1 trick, Portugal were limited to scoring from corners and pumping pointless crosses into the box.
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Tonight is the end of this magical duo who enlightened the Game in the last 13 years.
Thank so much but it's time to let human beings win the Ballon D'or
Many thanks and all the best,
Thank so much but it's time to let human beings win the Ballon D'or
Many thanks and all the best,
There'll be a horde to soon hound you for that. Argentina are even worse than Portugal apparently
2014 world cup:
2-1 Bosnia Messi goal, assist
1-0 Iran Messi
3-2 Nigeria Messi*2, 1 assist
1-0 Switzerland 1 assist
Those are all the goals Argentina scored in the tournament. Every single one was either Messi's or his assist.
It really is an incredible stat. Both of them have played 4 WCs I think? Remarkable.
There'll be a horde to soon hound you for that. Argentina are even worse than Portugal apparently
Pure fiction
neither would make a list of top 50 World Cup players of all time IMO which is staggering.
Neither of them scoring a goal in WC knockout stages might favor Pele and Maradona in these annoying discussions.
There are not all the goals Argentina scored . Why twist facts ?
Hope to see some consistency here.
"Oooh Messi hasn't scored in World Cup knock outs - definitely not in arguement for GOAT"
Seen that thrown about a couple of times today by the Ronaldo side of the fence. Will they say the same?
"Oooh Messi hasn't scored in World Cup knock outs - definitely not in arguement for GOAT"
Seen that thrown about a couple of times today by the Ronaldo side of the fence. Will they say the same?
How many knockout games have each played. What team do each play for. Messi is a complete failure on the national level.
Probably not
They are closer to Uruguay than Argentina is to France though squadwise
Both sent home on the same day
Portugal clearly are a worse team then Argentina that much is obvious l. As for balon d or I have no clue who will win now because if anyone wins it besides then 2 it is not deserved because they are both easily the 2 best in the world .
The big question will be: are Messi and Ronaldo going to retire from international football?
Surely they won't participate in the WC 2022?
Surely they won't participate in the WC 2022?
I like both Messi and Ronaldo. The worst thing about the pair of them are the insufferable set of fan boys who spend their sad lives arguing about who is better. I'm glad both are out the world cup so maybe now we'll stop fecking hearing about this goat bollocks.
India is shite, but still our captain is the third highest goalscorer after Ronaldo.
Sorry, I forgot precisely one goal.
Fine, they scored 1 goal without Messi's involvement and 7 with.
@SirAF
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/messi-v-ronaldo.400526/page-317#post-22740134
Also:
Euro 2016:
1-1 Iceland Nani goal
0-0 vs Austria
3-3 vs Hungary Ronaldo*2
1-0 vs Croatia Quaresma
1-1 vs Poland Sanches
2-0 vs Wales Ronaldo goal, assist
1-0 vs France Eder
So, 9 goals out of which Ronaldo was involved in 4.
"Not fair comparing Portugal to Argentina, whole different level"
Uruguay 3M population, Portugal 10M population, the irony.
Uruguay 3M population, Portugal 10M population, the irony.
There'll be a horde to soon hound you for that. Argentina are even worse than Portugal apparently
They are.
The problem you and the other Ronaldo stans have is that you're looking at it on paper and going "yeah, Aguero > Andre Silva" etc. Argentina are an absolute shambles of a 'team'. There's no system, balance, shape, there's nothing. It's a bunch of individuals who look like they've never kicked a ball before.
FFS they've got Dybala, Aguero and Higuain sitting on the bench while Pavon and Meza get a game
Mods, please start a Messi-Ronaldo appreciation thread. What we're seeing now is the beginning of the end of one of the most astonishing periods in football history. And it's about time we started celebrating them.
Amen to that.
All of Argentina's best players occupy two or three positions(striker and attacking midfielders). No defensive midfielder, no fullbacks, no goalkeeper. It's an utterly unbalanced squad. And they do not have a targetman upfront, which means that they are always trying to pass it in to the goal.They are.
The problem you and the other Ronaldo stans have is that you're looking at it on paper and going "yeah, Aguero > Andre Silva" etc. Argentina are an absolute shambles of a 'team'. There's no system, balance, shape, there's nothing. It's a bunch of individuals who look like they've never kicked a ball before.
FFS they've got Dybala, Aguero and Higuain sitting on the bench while Pavon and Meza get a game
India 1 billion. What does that have to do with anything
Oh, now it doesn't have anything to do? A week ago it was all the hype.
Oh please anyone that seriously argues Portugal and Argentina national teams talent saying they are equal are just biased . Not going to get dragged into a debate to prove Di Maria and Silva are same quality
At least this thread can go away for a bit now
Ronaldo set up the Nani goal against Hungary.
Quaresma against Croatia also counts as an assist for Ronaldo because it was his shot that was saved (I think).
I went by the google summary for Portugal, it showed no assist for the Croatia goal. You're right about Hungary, missed that. 5 out of 9.
So, @shamans and @SirAF
what do those stats regarding 2014 ad 2016 mean with respect to "carrying the team"?
There's also the qualification record for the world cup:
Whatever the case on paper, the Argentina team is total dogshit which sometimes rises to the level of mediocrity due to individual moments (Rojo, AdM, Messi in the world cup). Their record without Messi proves their total incoherence.
I think in both tournaments the teams relied on a solid defence, and both had semi-functional midfields, and a bit of luck. The difference in the result was was not Ronaldo vs Messi (clearly, since he didn't play) but that the wonderstrike was by Eder not Gotze.
Edit: Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate of whether Messi needs to carry Argentina more - but it is absurd to say Ronaldo did it more, which is what I was responding to.
That really isn't going to happen, because people are pathetic sad cases who rely on other faceless morons to validate their point and existence.
Down the line the likes of Ronaldo and Messi will get spoke about as greats in their lifetimes to grandchildren and all that, but for now this is what we get. The internet is great for many things, but giving voices to the mouthy know nothings certainly isn't one of those things.
2018 Di Maria is better than 2018 Bernardo Silva?.
After that, tell me where's the talent, in the bench? Watching it from home? It surely doesn't come from Meza, Pavon, Mascherano and Enzo Perez.
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