Pep has a poor record away from home in Europe so I'd even say it wouldn't have been that different. Barca keep the ball in midfield and play through Messi but at a slower pace. Nothing would have changed imo
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We live in a world where people get death threats for all sorts of things, celebrities get death threats for roles people don't approve of, LGBT people get death threats for being born that way, politicians get death threats for their political view, we even have someone on this board advocating genocide of people for daring to become billionaires.
How is it such a big deal if his life was never actually threatened?
I think a lot of Messi fans are confused by the best footballer title.
I'm a United fan first, CR7 fan second.
I think Messi is the most talented/gifted player of my lifetime.
But performance wise( Although he is amazing majority of times) he has been a bit unconvincing despite everything flowing through him at both Barca/Argentina when he needed to step up the most, especially considering his own performances in the past.
I don't think CR7 has anywhere near the talent of Messi, but has done enough for his teams in whatever ways he could to take them over the line.
Just look at his positions in ballon'dor, I don't think the people who voted for him are saying that he is the most the talented, but performed the best in their eyes where it mattered when compared to other footballers including Messi.
I'm a United fan first, CR7 fan second.
I think Messi is the most talented/gifted player of my lifetime.
But performance wise( Although he is amazing majority of times) he has been a bit unconvincing despite everything flowing through him at both Barca/Argentina when he needed to step up the most, especially considering his own performances in the past.
I don't think CR7 has anywhere near the talent of Messi, but has done enough for his teams in whatever ways he could to take them over the line.
Just look at his positions in ballon'dor, I don't think the people who voted for him are saying that he is the most the talented, but performed the best in their eyes where it mattered when compared to other footballers including Messi.
I think a lot of Ronaldo fans are confused by the best footballer title.
Talking about Ballon d'or positions (which is bullshit but anyway), if Ronaldo goes out to Atletico in the R16 of the CL he will probably be out the top 3, despite Ronaldo fans saying this is the best he's played in the previous 3 years where he won it. I've not watched a lot of him this year but I watched him vs. Atletico and he played decent, but Juve conceded 2 goals through little fault of his own. Does this make all the great performances hitherto completely redundant?
Ronaldo is a serial winner but he needs his team mates and a lot of luck just as Messi did when when Barcelona dominated - if you judge them on a individual basis, game by game, then Messi demonstrates that he is the best player on the pitch pretty much every time.
I think it's commendable how Ronaldo changed his role and became more involved in Juventus' play at 33 than he was the previous few years in Madrid. It's very impressive how he can keep going like this.
But it's funny that this is happening now, when he was signed basically to bolster Juventus' image and help the team win the Champions League. It's almost as if being more involved in play makes it more difficult to have an impact. And not having the level of support needed doesn't make things any easier. Who would have thought...
I'm not blaming Ronaldo for Juventus' result at the Wanda, but it gives me a good laugh to read the comments of the Ronaldo fans, the inconsistency and bias is stewed to perfection.
But it's funny that this is happening now, when he was signed basically to bolster Juventus' image and help the team win the Champions League. It's almost as if being more involved in play makes it more difficult to have an impact. And not having the level of support needed doesn't make things any easier. Who would have thought...
I'm not blaming Ronaldo for Juventus' result at the Wanda, but it gives me a good laugh to read the comments of the Ronaldo fans, the inconsistency and bias is stewed to perfection.
Wait, how come we never see them play together?
Growing up I watched many legends from different teams play together in some sort of a charity match.
There were classics like:
Growing up I watched many legends from different teams play together in some sort of a charity match.
There were classics like:
The poll closed back in June.
His life was threatened, that's what a death threat is mate.
I brought Øvrebø into the conversation as a joke (my apologies). Obviously his life should never have been threatened - it's a football game. There's nothing he could have done to warrant something like that. From what I've seen of him in an interview as well he seems like a really nice and interesting bloke.
What also separates the two for me is their role within a team. Stupid analogy ahead.
Ronaldo is an incredibly deadly weapon, but he's little more than that. Real have won finals where Ronaldo has been quite anonymous, just because the fear of giving him space to swing his sword. We didn't even seem to have to do much to stop him last year, and he was a passenger in the final versus Atletico.
Messi, on the other hand... He's not just the deadliest weapon of Barcelona, but he's also the heart & the brain of the side, especially since Xavi left. Everything goes through him. Messi can't afford to have bad/anonymous games like Ronaldo can, because he is at the very core of the team. Even if he doesn't score or assist for whatever reason, the ball still has to go through him, & his range of passing, vision, and consistency for this is on another planet altogether. You can say it's all down to having great players around him, or that being at Barcelona allows him to specialize himself so well - There might be some truth to that, but at the same time, the team he's playing with now is hardly incredible, and he's performed at a top-top level under several different managers.
That's not to say there haven't been times where Ronaldo hasn't done freakishly well while Messi was perhaps falling below is incredibly high standards somewhat, but overall? I still maintain that the difference between Messi & Ronaldo is bigger than the difference between Ronaldo & whoever you consider third on the list.
Ronaldo is an incredibly deadly weapon, but he's little more than that. Real have won finals where Ronaldo has been quite anonymous, just because the fear of giving him space to swing his sword. We didn't even seem to have to do much to stop him last year, and he was a passenger in the final versus Atletico.
Messi, on the other hand... He's not just the deadliest weapon of Barcelona, but he's also the heart & the brain of the side, especially since Xavi left. Everything goes through him. Messi can't afford to have bad/anonymous games like Ronaldo can, because he is at the very core of the team. Even if he doesn't score or assist for whatever reason, the ball still has to go through him, & his range of passing, vision, and consistency for this is on another planet altogether. You can say it's all down to having great players around him, or that being at Barcelona allows him to specialize himself so well - There might be some truth to that, but at the same time, the team he's playing with now is hardly incredible, and he's performed at a top-top level under several different managers.
That's not to say there haven't been times where Ronaldo hasn't done freakishly well while Messi was perhaps falling below is incredibly high standards somewhat, but overall? I still maintain that the difference between Messi & Ronaldo is bigger than the difference between Ronaldo & whoever you consider third on the list.
I'm not going to further comment on this topic.
Wasn't there another ref from Sweden i think? That retired cause of Chelsea fans threatening him?
Anders Frisk, after Mourinho criticized him in 2005 or 2006.
Edit: googled it, it was in 2005, he sent Drogba off against Barça and Mourinho said he had seen Frisk invite Rijkaard into his room at half time (this turned out to be a lie). Cue death threats, ended his career the following month.
Tommy, great post, that's basically the jist of it. Messi is at the core of Barça's team and cannot afford a bad game in the Champions League. This is not a knock on Ronaldo, though. Any player can have bad games, particularly if you're Messi or Ronaldo and the other team design their game plan to stop you. I just wish we had a coach who could provide Messi with the luxury of being a passenger here and there. Ronaldo always had that luxury in Madrid, hence the distorted view that he carried his side to the trophy while Messi couldn't.
Edit: googled it, it was in 2005, he sent Drogba off against Barça and Mourinho said he had seen Frisk invite Rijkaard into his room at half time (this turned out to be a lie). Cue death threats, ended his career the following month.
Tommy, great post, that's basically the jist of it. Messi is at the core of Barça's team and cannot afford a bad game in the Champions League. This is not a knock on Ronaldo, though. Any player can have bad games, particularly if you're Messi or Ronaldo and the other team design their game plan to stop you. I just wish we had a coach who could provide Messi with the luxury of being a passenger here and there. Ronaldo always had that luxury in Madrid, hence the distorted view that he carried his side to the trophy while Messi couldn't.
How convenient for you. Not even able to say something like "okay guys, I got carried away there and said something stupid, I'm sorry!". Just don't admit you've been wrong. Better convince yourself that getting death threats serves him right for a bad referee performance in a f*cking football match.
Let’s take this up in private
Disgusting. Condoning death threats then refusing to backtrack on it.
Why is it with Messi fans and fake news?
Pray tell when Messi was top scorer at a WC.
Check PM too
Best post ever.Football is about winning. For "skillz" we go to Cirque du Soleil.
Unfortunately, Messi has won nothing at national level. Maradona remains the greatest Argentinian footballer ever.
On the other hand, Ronaldo is the GOAT.
Unfortunately, Messi has won nothing at national level. Maradona remains the greatest Argentinian footballer ever.
On the other hand, Ronaldo is the GOAT.
Juve 3:0 Atletico
Is this even a debate anymore?
Here we go
Nope. Messi's just better at football.
No debate. CRon is the GOAT.
Been on the fence for a long time, maybe even leaning to Messi, but it's Ronaldo isn't it? Best player of this era.
Wooow...Messi to trash Betis next and keep the thread alive.
Do I even have to say anything? He is the GREATEST player of his generation bar NONE.
If anyone here honestly thinks If Messi was down 2-0 he would score a hat trick and send his team through you are LYING
If anyone here honestly thinks If Messi was down 2-0 he would score a hat trick and send his team through you are LYING
Here come all the weird people who think a total legacy is based off 1 game and say 'this settles it'. No it doesn't. Ronaldo had a good game. End of story for today.
Single handedly dragged juve through. Seriously, would love to see Messi outside of his natural habitat for once.
As I said many many times on here Messi is the most naturally gifted and talented player NO DOUBT but their is more when determining how great a player is and he does not have the drive and winning mentality Ronaldo has those intangibles make him the GOAT and this is nit because of now it has been for awhile now.
I prefer Messi but Ronaldo is without a doubt much better and more decisive in the CL.
The thing is it is not just "one game" he does this all the time and it is simply something Messi is not capable of if his back was against the wall.
Great performance, but Messi's still better at football, sorry 
Messi is so far ahead you only have to watch the games to realise that.
Ronaldo is so far ahead you only have to see the last 5 years to realise that.
Pick which based on who's playing today.
Ronaldo is so far ahead you only have to see the last 5 years to realise that.
Pick which based on who's playing today.
Messi always will be the better all round and talented footballer for me but I've always said if you had to pick one man for a big game to play alongside your team (of any level) then you'd be daft not to pick Ronaldo. His influence is unreal.
All in all, we are blessed to have them.
I agree never to be seen something like it again.
Yes Messi is a phenomenal player but Ronaldo in conquering 3 different leagues is absolutely the GOAT!
He would not be the same Argentina is. proof of that.
Agreed. Messi is obviously the better player, but Ronaldo can be more decisive in some matches. If that is what you prefer that's totally fine. I prefer a Totti, Xavi, Iniesta, Charlton, Messi type of player. For me, they bring more to the game. Ronaldo is a better goalscorer. I couldn't care less about these 3 goals or even if he scored 5. The buildup to the goals is what gets me going. Ronaldo does not deliver in that department. And you need both - the buildup and the finishing.
They would compliment each other perfectly.
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