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shamans said:
The bitterness is real. It is understandable given Ronaldo just cemented his legacy by helping Portugal to their first ever major title but Messi bottled every final he was in and retired.
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Bitterness indeed...

How did Ronaldo cement his legacy? He barely even played in the final and they still won the fecking thing :lol: Pepe was even more integral to their success than Ronaldo was. Guess that puts him above Maldini given he's won a intl tournament and Maldini never.
 
shamans said:
The bitterness is real. It is understandable given Ronaldo just cemented his legacy by helping Portugal to their first ever major title but Messi bottled every final he was in and retired.
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Ronaldo didn't even play in the final. :confused:
 
:lol: at anyone saying its settled because of this. He barely played in the final. Nani had a better tournament.

Too many people focus on wikipedia honour lists than anything else.
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
The only meaningful contribution he had all tournament were the 2 goals against a weakened Wales team. And all of a sudden, everything is settled :wenger:
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Two goals and assist against Hungary. Had they lost, they would have been out.

But that's all he did.
 
Pink Moon said:
Bitterness indeed...

How did Ronaldo cement his legacy? He barely even played in the final and they still won the fecking thing :lol: Pepe was even more integral to their success than Ronaldo was. Guess that puts him above Maldini given he's won a intl tournament and Maldini never.
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So you're saying Ronaldo hasn't cemented his legacy as a portugal footballer with this win ?

20 years from now when people think Portugal euro 2016 who will they think off?
 
Just proves that football is still a team game.

Liked what Cristiano did after half time though. Showed some flashes of being a manager there, rallying the troops and was genuinely overjoyed over Eder's goal.
 
Only on the Cafe would there be a lengthy thread debating Messi v Ronaldo.

All other football fans wouldn't bother as they know Messi is the greater player
 
shamans said:
The bitterness is real. It is understandable given Ronaldo just cemented his legacy by helping Portugal to their first ever major title but Messi bottled every final he was in and retired.
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Because Eder scored, Ronaldo is better than Messi is such an asinine argument. If Gignac scored instead of hitting the post and France held on, it wouldn't make Ronaldo any better or worse and it wouldn't make Messi any better or worse.
 
Lay said:
:lol: at anyone saying its settled because of this. He barely played in the final. Nani had a better tournament.

Too many people focus on wikipedia honour lists than anything else.
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Obviously this doesn't "settle it" but internationally Ronaldo wins over messi.
 
Tbf Ronaldo was average this tournament. Messi was great in the Copa America and still lost. But that's football, it's a team game. Pepe was by far Portugal's best player in the tournament followed by Nani.
 
shamans said:
Obviously this doesn't "settle it" but internationally Ronaldo wins over messi.
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He didn't even have a good tournament outside two games. Then he played 15 minutes of the final. Bizarre and I'm a Ronaldo fan.
 
shamans said:
The bitterness is real. It is understandable given Ronaldo just cemented his legacy by helping Portugal to their first ever major title but Messi bottled every final he was in and retired.
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Messi carried them to finals through his playmaking, freekicks and scoring. Ronaldo scored a few but was terrible the majority of the tournament, Nani was the best player for Portugal and Quaresma.

Portugal finished THIRD in the group and went through because of a "Strongest third place team" rule, if this was an old Euro tournament they wouldn't have even gone through.

Ronaldo was dire apart from one game, International wise Portugal had a lot of luck winning this tournament, 2 Copa America finals and a WC Final is still a big achievement.

Lets put this in context, Ronaldo went off Injured, Portugal scraped through each game. Eder scored, for Argentina Higuain bottled big chances in all three finals. It wasn't Ronaldos doing.

I really don't understand the International Honours argument when you don't even play in the final.

We're at a point in the game where Messi and Ronaldo will go down as two GOATs with Pelé and Maradonna but it's pretty clear who is the better player with the bigger legacy.
 
Still think Messi is more gifted but this makes the whole debate a lote more interesting, particularly as there are morons that seem to think that Ronaldo shouldn't even be compared to Messi as he is so inferior.
 
shamans said:
So you're saying Ronaldo hasn't cemented his legacy as a portugal footballer with this win ?

20 years from now when people think Portugal euro 2016 who will they think off?
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I think his legacy as one of the greats was already cemented, personally. His team winning a final without him means little to me.

And your last sentence sums up the idiocy of football fans these days. They'll think of him because he's the star player not because of his impact on the actual tournament or his team. Like I say, Pepe was probably more crucial than anyone else in the Portugal side this tournament. MOTM in the final and given that they're a defensive side he was often the rock/key player in all of their matches.
 
This summer has been a very heavy defeat for Lionel Messi.

Failure at international level resulting in widespread ridicule as he caved in and retired from Argentina, a criminal conviction for tax evasion and now he's had to watch his biggest rival secure a permanent victory over him.
 
Fergus' son said:
Still think Messi is more gifted but this makes the whole debate a lote more interesting, particularly as there are morons that seem to think that Ronaldo shouldn't even be compared to Messi as he is so inferior.
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Whats with the insults mate? I think the difference between is such that is not even comparable but im not calling the other side morons.
 
Messi is still the greatest player. I've said it for the past few years, how can you possibly decide that one is better than the other if the INTERNATIONAL team wins a Cup. If Ronaldo carried Portugal through every game, then he'd have a huge shout. Alas, that isn't and is never the case really for any International Win.

Number of trophies a player has won is a great indicator of how good of a career a player has had, and how successful you are. It should never, ever, be used as an indicator of how who's better than who. It's a team victory, not an individual victory. There have been plenty of great players who only have 1 or so league titles, while you'll mediocre players have over 6 or 7.

The way I see it. Statistics goes out of the window in debates like these. I asked a Ronaldo fanboy who's the better player - Neuer or Neymar, he couldn't answer because "they play different positions", but if you're voting for the best player of all time, you have to make that judgement call for who is generally the better player irregardless of the position.

Messi is magic. Both players have scored an obscene number of goals. It reaches a point in which the number of goals over 50+ doesn't matter. It's a joke of a figure - be it 50 or 60 or 70 goals - I'm impressed by each of those targets as much as the rest.

So take out the statistics, who's the better player? For me - Messi. Ronaldo is a fantastic goal scorer, and he may go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time for me. But the better player? It's painfully easy to make that call for Messi. He does things no other player can do.

It'll annoy the shit out of me now how people will use Ronaldo's Euro win as a "one upper" over Messi. Judge them both on them as a player's ability, like the tag suggests, not "oh look at how many international cups he has".
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
Goes to show that not everything SAF said is true. He's just being biased towards a player who played for and brought many successes to him
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Right but if Sir Alex Ferguson can have that opinion, it doesn't make all of us that would prefer Ronaldo over Messi "idiots of modern football"
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Messi is still the greatest player. I've said it for the past few years, how can you possibly decide that one is better than the other if the INTERNATIONAL team wins a Cup. If Ronaldo carried Portugal through every game, then he'd have a huge shout. Alas, that isn't and is never the case really for any International Win.

Number of trophies a player has won is a great indicator of how good of a career a player has had, and how successful you are. It should never, ever, be used as an indicator of how who's better than who. It's a team victory, not an individual victory. There have been plenty of great players who only have 1 or so league titles, while you'll mediocre players have over 6 or 7.

The way I see it. Statistics goes out of the window in debates like these. I asked a Ronaldo fanboy who's the better player - Neuer or Neymar, he couldn't answer because "they play different positions", but if you're voting for the best player of all time, you have to make that judgement call for who is generally the better player irregardless of the position.

Messi is magic. Both players have scored an obscene number of goals. It reaches a point in which the number of goals over 50+ doesn't matter. It's a joke of a figure - be it 50 or 60 or 70 goals - I'm impressed by each of those targets as much as the rest.

So take out the statistics, who's the better player? For me - Messi. Ronaldo is a fantastic goal scorer, and he may go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time for me. But the better player? It's painfully easy to make that call for Messi. He does things no other player can do.

It'll annoy the shit out of me now how people will use Ronaldo's Euro win as a "one upper" over Messi. Judge them both on them as a player's ability, like the tag suggests, not "oh look at how many international cups he has".
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Agreed. It's why Maradonna and Pelé is still a debate. Messi is beyond Ronaldo on a football pitch.

Sometimes you need the ball to go in the net, and Eder of all people put it in the net, surreal.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Whats with the insults mate? I think the difference between is such that is not even comparable but im not calling the other side morons.
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Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular but I do think you have to be a moron to not accept that 'Ronaldo vs Messi' is at least a valid point of discussion.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Messi is still the greatest player. I've said it for the past few years, how can you possibly decide that one is better than the other if the INTERNATIONAL team wins a Cup. If Ronaldo carried Portugal through every game, then he'd have a huge shout. Alas, that isn't and is never the case really for any International Win.

Number of trophies a player has won is a great indicator of how good of a career a player has had, and how successful you are. It should never, ever, be used as an indicator of how who's better than who. It's a team victory, not an individual victory. There have been plenty of great players who only have 1 or so league titles, while you'll mediocre players have over 6 or 7.

The way I see it. Statistics goes out of the window in debates like these. I asked a Ronaldo fanboy who's the better player - Neuer or Neymar, he couldn't answer because "they play different positions", but if you're voting for the best player of all time, you have to make that judgement call for who is generally the better player irregardless of the position.

Messi is magic. Both players have scored an obscene number of goals. It reaches a point in which the number of goals over 50+ doesn't matter. It's a joke of a figure - be it 50 or 60 or 70 goals - I'm impressed by each of those targets as much as the rest.

So take out the statistics, who's the better player? For me - Messi. Ronaldo is a fantastic goal scorer, and he may go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time for me. But the better player? It's painfully easy to make that call for Messi. He does things no other player can do.

It'll annoy the shit out of me now how people will use Ronaldo's Euro win as a "one upper" over Messi. Judge them both on them as a player's ability, like the tag suggests, not "oh look at how many international cups he has".
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The only thing Ronaldo has on Messi is heading. So it's really not a debate any more because he's not able to play at the level Messi can.
 
I don't care much about this 'pipping' Ronaldo over Messi. But one thing is for sure, he really does have significant leadership qualities. The way the Portugal team (and esp. Nani) rallied around him when he was injured was great to see. It was more like, ok - you've done it for us so many times. Today we will do it for you.

I'm not much of a cricket fan, but in India you cant ignore it. Today felt very similar to the Cricket World Cup Final in 2011. Where the Indian cricket team did it for Sachin.
 
Ronaldo is fantastic and definitely one of the greats.

But there's just nothing he could do or win to convince me he's better than Messi as a player, because he isn't imo. I've felt this way since 2009.

Messi's ability to impact the game when he's not scoring far trumps Ronaldo's.
 
Anirudh said:
I don't care much about this 'pipping' Ronaldo over Messi. But one thing is for sure, he really does have significant leadership qualities. The way the Portugal team (and esp. Nani) rallied around him when he was injured was great to see. It was more like, ok - you've done it for us so many times. Today we will do it for you.

I'm not much of a cricket fan, but in India you cant ignore it. Today felt very similar to the Cricket World Cup Final in 2011. Where the Indian cricket team did it for Sachin.
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Agreed again in terms of Leadership.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Ronaldo is fantastic and definitely one of the greats.

But there's just nothing he could do or win to convince me he's better than Messi as a player, because he isn't imo. I've felt this way since 2009.

Messi's ability to impact the game when he's not scoring far trumps Ronaldo's.
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You're entitled to your opinion but just to argue, Ronaldo influenced this game from the sideline. His leadership and aura is outstanding.
 
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