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Messi is dangerous per se. He doesn't depend on anyone.

Cristiano relies on service like tooooooo much. In a closed match he might not make the difference.
 
When Messi comes on in a moment and makes a decisive goal or assist in one of the toughest games of the season that Barca don't look like winning it will mean more than Ronaldo's 5 earlier and that my friends is the difference.

Well that's rubbish. Both players have made the difference when the stakes are high.

But this isn't the thread for nuanced talk.
 
What Messi and Ronaldo have done over the last 6 years is just insane, genuinely insane. They rack up stats like there's no tomorrow. Just today I read that Ronaldo got the same goal amount for Real as Raul with 347 (!) less matches played. How the feck is that even supposed to be possible?! Raul was a great striker for christ sake. How superior were Barca and/or Real to the rest of La Liga in Raul's prime?
 
What Messi and Ronaldo have done over the last 6 years is just insane, genuinely insane. They rack up stats like there's no tomorrow. Just today I read that Ronaldo got the same goal amount for Real as Raul with 347 (!) less matches played. How the feck is that even supposed to be possible?! Raul was a great striker for christ sake. How superior were Barca and/or Real to the rest of La Liga in Raul's prime?

The same questions have been asked about amazing new records in many other sports. Too often we find out the hero is helped by chemistry as much as talent.
 
Before the last injury Robben was the second best player in the world.

What he did for Holland at the world cup Ronaldo is not capable of doing.
 
The same questions have been asked about amazing new records in many other sports. Too often we find out the hero is helped by chemistry as much as talent.
I think it's probably more to do with Ronaldo being a lot better than Raul ever was.
 
I think it's probably more to do with Ronaldo being a lot better than Raul ever was.
We're talking about Raul, one of Spain's best ever strikers. Yes, Ronaldo is better than Raul but ~350 matches less to equal his goal tally? That's just unreal.
 
We're talking about Raul, one of Spain's best ever strikers. Yes, Ronaldo is better than Raul but ~350 matches less to equal his goal tally? That's just unreal.
Ronaldo and Messi are on another level to the likes of Raul. Plus I would say the gap between the big and small is getting larger in terms of quality now.
 
We're talking about Raul, one of Spain's best ever strikers. Yes, Ronaldo is better than Raul but ~350 matches less to equal his goal tally? That's just unreal.


Not a major factor but it helps Ronaldo a lot during these comparisons to take only his time at Real-when he's been at his peak and has had a team built to cater to his goalscoring.
 
Just looking at Raul's statistics...

01-02 35 14
02-03 31 16
03-04 35 11
04-05 32 9
05-06 26 5
06-07 35 7
09-10 30 5

It's not too hard to see why Ronaldo has beaten the record by so much considering every season at Madrid so far he's been at his peak. And he seem's relentless personality wise.
 
The same questions have been asked about amazing new records in many other sports. Too often we find out the hero is helped by chemistry as much as talent.
By Chemistry do you mean chemicals or chemistry between team mates?
 
Ronaldo scored 5 and made an assist, Messi scored to won Barca the game immediately after he came on. I really doubt that we'll see players who are their equals in a very long time.

Anyway, this year the Ballon D'Or is Messi's, regardless of what happens in these 4 months.
 
messi scores decisive goal in calderon, ronaldo has scored too few of those in his 7 years .. thats why RM have pathetically same Ligas as Atletico in this period
Sevilla are the only club he's scored more against than Atletico. Joint second with Barcelona. He scores plenty of big goals.
 
Does Espanyol even try against Real anymore? My impression is that recently they spread their legs cheaper than an Eastern European streethooker, when they play Real. Is it an attempt to sabotage FC Barcelona or does Ronaldo pay them? Since 2010 they have lost by three or more 8 times. As many times as in the previous 33 years combined.

0-3, 0-3, 0-3, 0-1, 0-4, 0-5, 2-2, 1-1, 0-1, 1-3, 0-3, 1-4, 0-6.
 
Before the last injury Robben was the second best player in the world.

What he did for Holland at the world cup Ronaldo is not capable of doing.
Why isn't Ronaldo capable of doing that? I would expect him to surpass it

Robben better than Ronaldo...yeah I'm sure Bayern would refuse a trade
 
Does Espanyol even try against Real anymore? My impression is that recently they spread their legs cheaper than an Eastern European streethooker, when they play Real. Is it an attempt to sabotage FC Barcelona or does Ronaldo pay them? Since 2010 they have lost by three or more 8 times. As many times as in the previous 33 years combined.

0-3, 0-3, 0-3, 0-1, 0-4, 0-5, 2-2, 1-1, 0-1, 1-3, 0-3, 1-4, 0-6.
Instead of conspiracy theories...I would say it's probably more due to the gap between the elite clubs to the rest being bigger than ever. And it's only going to get worse I think.
 
Instead of conspiracy theories...I would say it's probably more due to the gap between the elite clubs to the rest being bigger than ever. And it's only going to get worse I think.

Still you can park the bus. To me it seems that too often La Liga teams just go and try play football with the big boys with no expectation or attempt to even grind out a point anymore. They look at it as a week off with a little workout. Of course you get raped, when you play open field with a far inferior team.
 
Still you can park the bus. To me it seems that too often La Liga teams just go and try play football with the big boys with no expectation or attempt to even grind out a point anymore. They look at it as a week off with a little workout. Of course you get raped, when you play open field with a far inferior team.
I haven't watched the games so I cant say. I just don't think it's a conspiracy against Barcelona like you alluded to earlier.
 
I haven't watched the games so I cant say. I just don't think it's a conspiracy against Barcelona like you alluded to earlier.

Well it was tongue in cheek about their motives. I just find their attitude confusing.
 
We're talking about Raul, one of Spain's best ever strikers. Yes, Ronaldo is better than Raul but ~350 matches less to equal his goal tally? That's just unreal.

Raul spent many seasons being a merely decent striker. His peak years weren't really that long.
 
They're freakishly consistent. We've seen past great players - exceptional in some matches, sometimes even in a whole tournament, rarely for a season.

It's the ability and desire to repeat it, across whole seasons, that's extraordinary. It may even be that they've been driven there by each other. I think sometimes that has cost them (in terms of their condition at tournaments) but it's really no wonder they're breaking records with their clubs.
 
We're talking about Raul, one of Spain's best ever strikers. Yes, Ronaldo is better than Raul but ~350 matches less to equal his goal tally? That's just unreal.
I think Raul started declining when he was 27 or something like that (could be even before that).
 
I like both Messi and Ronaldo. Messi's the better player but Ronaldo is exceptional in his own way. Ronaldo's consistency means that when he calls a day, he will be regarded as the best European forward at club level ever, ahead of Cruyff, Van Basten, Best and Eusebio.
 
Still you can park the bus. To me it seems that too often La Liga teams just go and try play football with the big boys with no expectation or attempt to even grind out a point anymore. They look at it as a week off with a little workout. Of course you get raped, when you play open field with a far inferior team.
That has a lot to do with the fact goal difference doesn't count. As soon as the 1st one goes in, there is no incentive for the small teams to try to keep things tight, but they'll throw men forward and end up conceeding a few more.
 
Yeah so? Robben was Holland's attacking outlet, almost everything went through him after the match vs Spain.
Might not even have turned it round against Spain if not for Van Persie's wonder goal.
 
Like what for example?

Like take the entire Euro 2012. He was MOTM in 2 games (including Quarters), and was Portugal's primary threat against Spain.

Edit: When he plays poorly - so do Portugal. He was injured in WC 2014 - or else, it would have been a very different tournament for them.
 
Might not even have turned it round against Spain if not for Van Persie's wonder goal.
If it wasn't for Moutinho's pin-point through balls Ronaldo might have not even made the hattrick against Sweden but he did. Just like Robben provided 2 excellent goals against Spain and he was absolutely fire in the whole WC. Why did Portugal even need to play qualifiers?
 
What a load of bollocks. Didn't klick his arse in the normal group games and needed Moutinho to fire him through on goal

You probably thought Messi carried Argentina to the final despite not doing zilch in the knockout stage.
 
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