Just created a thread to question this sort of hyperbole.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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They have created history with the accolades, trophies and individual awards they have both won respectively.
Their goal scoring feats may have been replicated by former greats (or should I say Messi and Ronaldo replicated their tallies) but I wasn't alive, nor have seen almost all of the names you've mentioned in your thread - so I can't compare these two to histories greats - though I can't fathom there being a better player than Messi, it's an impossible thought for me.
I feel that way too.
But purely on the goal scoring front, one can only judge what they see, but I do feel sometimes people disregard the past efforts in an effort to glorify the present. Of course it does work both ways where others try to act as if past players are untouchable.
Not by default. Messi broke the frigging record for both season and calendar year. They broke out of an era when it had long been established that 50+ was something that couldn't happen in modern football and 40+ the stuff of legends.
I think only Muller and Pele can really compare.
@cesc's_mullet is an Aussie. They're second only to the Americans when it comes to hyperbole
Well that's literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
You won't BELIEVE what this Aussie has to say about Messi and Ronaldo!
Personally, I can't call Messi better because he's only played for Barcelona. I think Ronny could carry a weaker team while Messi couldn't.
Yeah - remember when Ronaldo carried that minnow team in the UK to trophies?
I can agree with the first part (after all he’s been a part of one of the best teams of all time), but I definitely disagree with the second. Why do you think that?
That was hyperbolic laugher btw. Sigh.
The thing is, Messi is the best player of the best team and you see a significant difference when he isn't playing.
"Probably" the greatest goalscorers as they broke records after records and are very consistent scoring high number of goals over very long period of time, and in the modern game where most team play more defensive than say 40-50 years ago. I don't see any fuse about it.
Just think that Ronaldo has performed in different teams with different qualities and levels support casts and hasn't failed to shine or set records that makes him better in my opinion. This is also why I think he could carry a team of lower quality. B20 I didn't say he carried us as a weaker team. He did, however, massively influence our fortunes.
But Messi is the one who played and shone with the weaker team in Barcelona B, Ronaldo never played for a weak team. Also Messi massively influenced Barcelona fortunes and unlike Ronaldo he lead them to a lot of titles.
I might be wrong but whenever I’ve seen Ronaldo play for Portugal, he was used as a striker. And I think, considering the talent in that team, they have massively underachieved. Messi scores a lot but also is hell of a creator and his influence on a game is on another level. IMO if you can’t feed Ronaldo, he won’t be a game changer (as he used to be).
did Ronaldo set any record playing with Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Tevez, Carrick, Fletcher, Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand and Van Der Sar? and with the best ever Coach?
Barcelona are only the Barcelona we know now because of Messi. We all saw what happened to Barcelona when he was injured for a few games. Barcelona would not win a single title without him.
As for Ronaldo, Real Madrid is not a weak team and he hasn't really carried them to a whole lot of trophies in 6 years. And when Ronaldo left us we still managed to reach the Champions League final and win the league a couple of times without him.
In fact Ronaldo is the one of the two who depends the most on the service of other players I'd say, so not sure why you'd think Ronaldo would be able to carry a weaker team more than Messi.
Not sure why everyone's saying I think Real and United are weak teams. I meant if you took them both out of their current ones and placed them in a hypothetical weak team, Ronaldo would still fare better.
Top scorer for us? Tied with Shearer?
I could be really wrong, but Barca B didn't face the level of competition like Sporting and United did and do? Isnt their B team the reserves?
Top scorer for us? Tied with Shearer?
I could be really wrong, but Barca B didn't face the level of competition like Sporting and United did and do? Isnt their B team the reserves?
Messi played in the second division and did well, while Sporting were champions the season before Ronaldo's debuts, Ronaldo never played for a weak team, he has always play for a top team in the league.
We already saw that Messi was good in a weak team and we saw that Ronaldo wasn't very good with Portugal.
If there's a guy who can carry a team it's Messi.
Ronaldo definitely can't carry a team.
Ronaldo definitely can't carry a team.
2007 Ronaldo could perhaps carry a team. Post-2008 Ronaldo can't, he relies too much on service.
The concept of carrying a team is stupid.
This.
As proven by Argentina's excellent result over the last 10 years... oh wait...
Compared to Portugal...
How is that in anyway related to this quote: If there's a guy who can carry a team it's Messi.
World Cup Final where they lost from the best national team at extra time is nothing?
To carry a team doesn't mean you're gonna win it all.
Messi being on 50% phisically made argentina get through the first round of the WC.
Messi carried the team during the whole Qualifies, vs Colombia, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador, etc.
1- Since this is a Messi vs Ronaldo thread then you can assume that comparisons here are made primarily between the two.
2- Even if we're talking generally, a good way to verify that claim would be to compare him to the second best player in the world.
you are relatively new here in the mains, in a few more posts you will realize that arguing with cal is like mooing a cow back
it's pointless, he doesnt understand
There's actually some truth in that. He was sensational in their qualifiers allowing them to qualify comfortably.
Then you look at Ronaldo he never kicked his arse during qualifiers against some dreadful teams and people implied he was carrying portugal because of that play off against Sweden.
This argument is stupid but argentina is miles better than portugal. So ofcourse they performed better with a better player, doesnt mean messi can carry a team though.
Except for the fact that Conmebol has so many places that Argentina will qualify with ease anyway.
Basically Ronaldo won that play-off on his own against Zlatan.
The qualified top though. And what's the excuse for Portugal and the group of dross they were in with? At least Argentina had to face good teams in their qualifiers.
And of course he did, along with the guy who kept playing him through on goal.
Oh, let's add that to Messi's list of achievements, helped Argentina qualify top of the Conmebol WC qualifying when Brazil were hosts. *round of applause*
It doesn't matter how you get there as long as you do, France are the perfect example.
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