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RedRonaldo said:
I don't know how would you rate their career differently. But for me, I see them both winning a major trophy for their country, both won 30+ trophies for their clubs, both score similar no. of goals+ assist throughout their career. The difference is no. of Ballon Dors, no. of CL, and no. of all time records they hold, which isn't big difference anyway.

Trophies count: Messi 35 > Ronaldo 32
International trophies: Messi 1 = Ronaldo 1
CL: Ronaldo 5 > Messi 3 (or 4)
Ballon D'ors: Messi 6 (or 7) > Ronaldo 5
Records: Ronaldo > Messi
Goals: Ronaldo > Messi
Assists: Messi > Ronaldo
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Ronaldo has played 116 games more than Messi which is partly why he has more records. Messi has a better goals per game ratio which shows who the better goalscorer is.

I don't know why you have purposely missed Messi 10 league titles > Ronaldo 7 league titles (which got inflated by joining a Juve team that would have won them 2 league titles with or without Ronaldo there. But ignoring that, Messi still has 3 more.
 
MalcolmTucker said:
You realise Ronaldo played Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Wales and France in his Euro win right? And in the France game he was off within 15 mins. Not to mention they finished 3rd in their group and only won 1 game in 90 mins.
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he's obviously aware of that, it's just these underage CR fans and posters from Portugal have to preserve the famous narrative and hope the rest of the world will forget which teams Ronaldo played against that year.

if anyone asks, he actually played against Spain 2012 and France 2002. he also didn't lose key knockout games to the same Uruguay and Chile sides Messi was losing as well. that never happened.
 
Bole Top said:
he's obviously aware of that, it's just these underage CR fans and posters from Portugal have to preserve the famous narrative and hope the rest of the world will forget which teams Ronaldo played against that year.

if anyone asks, he actually played against Spain 2012 and France 2002. he also didn't lose key knockout games to the same Uruguay and Chile sides Messi was losing as well. that never happened.
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The holy trinity 68 said:
Ronaldo has played 116 games more than Messi which is partly why he has more records. Messi has a better goals per game ratio which shows who the better goalscorer is.

I don't know why you have purposely missed Messi 10 league titles > Ronaldo 7 league titles (which got inflated by joining a Juve team that would have won them 2 league titles with or without Ronaldo there. But ignoring that, Messi still has 3 more.
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I didn't miss it, its already counted as part of total trophies won. And even if you want to break it down that way, 04-05 Messi only played 7 league games the whole season, and including subs appearance from bench, I wouldn't count it as his title to be fair. In season 05-06, he has played 17 games sparingly, which is still less than half of games played over the season. So its more like 8 or 9 league titles vs 7 league titles in terms of playing a major part during a full season (let's say at least more than half of games played). Just edging it by 1 or 2 league titles wouldn't make a conclusive difference here.

Regarding 116 games more, I already give it a tie to Messi in "goals", as I do regard them equal in goalscoring. To break those records is another thing though, I just don't see Messi breaking the CL or international ones in future. WC next year we might still see who will score more goals from major tournament. For career goals record, it really depends who would retire earlier, right now Ronaldo clearly has the edge on all of those records.
 
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MalcolmTucker said:
Laughable that the usual suspects are downplaying Messi's Copa America win when Messi was..

Top Goalscorer of the tournament
Top Assister (broke the record for most assists at the tournament, the previous record was also held by him)
Player of the Tournament

All this at 34.

This is the 3rd time he's been awarded the player of the tournament at an international competition. Ronaldo hasn't ever been in the conversation for one.

Any myth that Ronaldo had a better international career can be put to rest now.
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Yes but then you forget to mention how poor of a quality the copa is compared to European competition.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Yes but then you forget to mention how poor of a quality the copa is compared to European competition.
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BS, Portugal went through an injured Wales side, Iceland, Hungary, Poland, and only played one good team that whole run.

portugal had an insanely easy bracket. I’d take the teams Argentina (if only slightly) over the teams Portugal had to play. Euro has better teams but if you avoid most of them it’s not much better
 
SportingCP96 said:
Yes but then you forget to mention how poor of a quality the copa is compared to European competition.
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I can argue Portugal has a better team, infrastructure and money . That point is actually mute. Europe is so advanced when it comes to football.
 
horsechoker said:
I think it would only happen in a charity match or testimonial, hopefully they'll agree to one before the end of their careers.

Messi feeding Ronaldo his balls :drool:
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I think that has already happened (2009-2012)
 
Am I the only one who finds this childish 'my dad is bigger than yours ' nonsense tiresome.

We are and have been so lucky to witness 2 once in a generation type players of rare exceptional ability playing during the same time period.
 
I can't imagine wasting time comparing two players who aren't your players (your club, your country). Saying that Ronaldo will always have a soft spot in my heart as he played and won things at United, and also yeah feck Barca, feck Argentina, and feck Messi in that order.
 
Amarsdd said:
I can't imagine wasting time comparing two players who aren't your players (your club, your country). Saying that Ronaldo will always have a soft spot in my heart as he played and won things at United, and also yeah feck Barca, feck Argentina, and feck Messi in that order.
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Messi > Ronaldo

cheers
 
I'm just glad and relieved that no one can use this stupid notion of Ronaldo has won an international trophy over Messi as the claim for the whole GOAT debate. Now that Messi has ended his Argentina's hoodoo and finally won a major trophy with his national team.
 
SportingCP96 said:
Yes but then you forget to mention how poor of a quality the copa is compared to European competition.
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Alright well have fun explaining how Iceland, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Wales and France (who he only played 15 mins against) is better quality than Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia and Brazil

And that's why Messi managed to get top goalscorer, top assister and player of the tournament and Ronaldo didn't.
 
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El Jefe said:
What's stupid about the whole debate is the finals each of them have played in for their countries. Messi has played some good finals but lost while yesterday he played poorly but won and now that supposedly confirms his GOAT status. Same with Ronaldo, was a non factor in his two recent finals especially Euro 2016 which his fans rushed to call him the GOAT after.

It's just clear people are just looking for narratives to seal stories. If one of them had an international finals like Messi's CL final performance in 2011 or Roanldo's in 2017, it would make sense but their NT finals were all about the team rather than them.

If Messi winning yesterday made you change your mind then that is a horrible way to judge players.
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This. Judging players based on team trophies is stupid. Winning this final doesn't make Messi a better or worse player. People have really weird priorities when ranking players these days.
 
Does the Copa America win now put an end to the international trophy part of the debate ?
 
MalcolmTucker said:
Alright well have fun explaining how Iceland, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Wales and France (who he only played 15 mins against) is better quality than Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia and Brazil

And that's why Messi managed to get top goalscorer, top assister and player of the tournament and Ronaldo didn't.
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yup on top of which prior to this year the last two times Portugal got eliminated in knockout tourneys were by South American teams in Chile and Uruguay
 
Raredaredevil said:
I'm just glad and relieved that no one can use this stupid notion of Ronaldo has won an international trophy over Messi as the claim for the whole GOAT debate. Now that Messi has ended his Argentina's hoodoo and finally won a major trophy with his national team.
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Messi has left Ronaldo in dust. Messi has just won another player of the tournament award, dragging his country to a harder international trophy than the euros. He's going to possibly win a 7 th balón d'or, extending his own record in the process.

There isn't a real debate to anyone who isn't completely deluded.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
Messi has left Ronaldo in dust. Messi has just won another player of the tournament award, dragging his country to a harder international trophy than the euros. He's going to possibly win a 7 th balón d'or, extending his own record in the process.

There isn't a real debate to anyone who isn't completely deluded.
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:lol:
 
Daysleeper said:
yes especially the tourney Messi had
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Top scorer and top provider at the same time.
I also read that his 9 combined goal contributions are an all-time record. All in the process of leading Argentina past Brazil at the Maracaná to finally end Argentina's hoodoo.
 
Winning the Euros with the 2016 Portugal team is waaaaay more impressive than winning the Copa with Argentina.

Still: Messi > Ronaldo, overall.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
Top scorer and top provider at the same time.
I also read that his 9 combined goal contributions are an all-time record. All in the process of leading Argentina past Brazil at the Maracaná to finally end Argentina's hoodoo.
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exactly! And Argentina were big underdogs heading into this match
 
OleBoiii said:
Winning the Euros with the 2016 Portugal team is waaaaay more impressive than winning the Copa with Argentina.

Still: Messi > Ronaldo, overall.
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not if you look at the context though. Portugal had an extremely easy side of the bracket and group stage.

heading into the final against Brazil on Brazilian soil I might add:

Brazil have won EVERY Copa America they have hosted (6/6) Brazil haven't lost a match on home soil in Copa America for 46 years

Last time Brazil lost a final to Argentina: 84 years ago

Last Brazil defeat in the Maracanã: 71 years ago

Last time Brazil lost to Argentina in an official game: 12 years ago + Casemiro has never lost a competitive game with Brazil
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So in a vacuum sure Portugal winning euro is crazy but with the path they had, finishing third in the group which for the first time allowed you to advance and barely winning any matches in the 90 minutes it puts more context to it. Which isn’t to say it wasn’t impressive, because it was. But Argentina had history against them as well heading into last night and overcame the odds (finally)
 
Daysleeper said:
not if you look at the context though. Portugal had an extremely easy side of the bracket and group stage.

heading into the final against Brazil on Brazilian soil I might add:

Brazil have won EVERY Copa America they have hosted (6/6) Brazil haven't lost a match on home soil in Copa America for 46 years

Last time Brazil lost a final to Argentina: 84 years ago

Last Brazil defeat in the Maracanã: 71 years ago

Last time Brazil lost to Argentina in an official game: 12 years ago + Casemiro has never lost a competitive game with Brazil
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So in a vacuum sure Portugal winning euro is crazy but with the path they had, finishing third in the group which for the first time allowed you to advance and barely winning any matches in the 90 minutes it puts more context to it. Which isn’t to say it wasn’t impressive, because it was. But Argentina had history against them as well heading into last night and overcame the odds (finally)
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Remind me again who Portugal played in the 2016 Euros? Who was the host back then?
 
@Daysleeper

History, schmistory.

The truth remains that Argentina practically always will be the favorite or second favorite to win(with Uruguay occasionally stepping up). The only game they generally aren't favored to win(though sometimes they are) is the game against Brazil. Beating them in a single game when you have a team of comparable strength shouldn't be considered a massive feat, imo.
 
OleBoiii said:
Winning the Euros with the 2016 Portugal team is waaaaay more impressive than winning the Copa with Argentina.

Still: Messi > Ronaldo, overall.
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If Portugal’s 2016 path was like Italy’s 2021 path, yeah sure, but in reality it was finishing 3rd in a group with Hungary, Iceland and Austria, then facing Wales, Croatia and Poland, with a 15 minutes cameo against France. Sorry it is waaaaaay less impressive
 
OleBoiii said:
Winning the Euros with the 2016 Portugal team is waaaaay more impressive than winning the Copa with Argentina.

Still: Messi > Ronaldo, overall.
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not if you look at the context though. Portugal had an extremely easy side of the bracket and group stage.


hellhunter said:
Remind me again who Portugal played in the 2016 Euros? Who was the host back then?
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brazil’s record on Brazilian soil in a Copa >>>> France’s record at home
 
OleBoiii said:
@Daysleeper

History, schmistory.

The truth remains that Argentina practically always will be the favorite or second favorite to win(with Uruguay occasionally stepping up). The only game they generally aren't favored to win(though sometimes they are) is the game against Brazil. Beating them in a single game when you have a team of comparable strength shouldn't be considered a massive feat, imo.
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it is when you look at context. Maradona never won a copa, neither did pele. It absolutely is a feat. And Brazil were heavily favoured

and Portugal had a very easy bracket and were favoured in every single match except for France as Portugal avoided everyone else
 
Daysleeper said:
not if you look at the context though. Portugal had an extremely easy side of the bracket and group stage.




brazil’s record on Brazilian soil in a Copa >>>> France
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They even managed to finish 3rd in a group consisting of Iceland Hungary and Austria, yet I am supposed to be impressed by that
 
Swoobs said:
They even managed to finish 3rd in a group consisting of Iceland Hungary and Austria, yet I am supposed to be impressed by it.
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I mean, that was pretty much their level, though.

That team was basically a decent defense + Ronaldo. It's an underdog story for sure.
 
OleBoiii said:
I mean, that was pretty much their level, though.

That team was basically a decent defense + Ronaldo. It's an underdog story for sure.
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Portugal an underdog against Iceland, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Wales and Poland? Comeon now…
Their level was 3rd best in a group with Iceland. Austria and Hungary? Jesus…
 
Boggles my mind that people are genuinely trying to say Portugal's road to the Euro final was harder than Argentina's. Furthermore, people seem to be ignoring how influential and productive Messi was in this Copa compared to Ronaldo in the Euro win. Messi literally had the most productive tournament in Copa history at 34 years old. It's an insane achievement.
 
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