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No thanks. At least having this thread helps to contain the Messi Vs Ronaldo shite. Imagine how much it would spill out elsewhere without it.
I think this is the first time I’ve ventured in here. Surprised to see the poll is mostly pro Messi.
Either way both are fantastic although I preferred them in their younger days as now they are just machine like and I blame both for this sudden surge in statisticians.
Either way both are fantastic although I preferred them in their younger days as now they are just machine like and I blame both for this sudden surge in statisticians.
There’s never been a set amount of years between Copa America’s. It used to be annually but has fluctuated between 2-4 for a few decades.
The next one will coincide with Euro 2024.
No it doesn't
But it definitely makes Messi more equal to Ronaldo in terms of their career.The only difference is, Messi will have more Ballon Do'rs, while Ronaldo will have more all time records.
Duno why anyone would want the 2 best players in history to retire
It is because they are a Chisel.
Not only that but the only thing left to do is have them both sharing the same locker room. Can be in the USA, I don't care really... Maybe the stars will align somehow. I've always thought from an attacking perspective they could be super compatible.
Sorry I was talking about Euro 2020. He had a better tournament this time than in 2016, the difference is his team also contributed more last time around.
I always found it bizarre that Eder scoring the winner at Euro2016 was somehow deciding factor in the Messi v. Ronaldo debate for some people, given that Ronaldo was not even playing at the time.
Messi winning the Copa America whilst actually playing finally puts an end to that nonsense at least.
Messi winning the Copa America whilst actually playing finally puts an end to that nonsense at least.
Congratulations to Messi for achieving the minimum level of success anyone could have reasonably expected out of Argentina, good job.
No it doesn't
The only difference is, Messi will have more Ballon Do'rs, while Ronaldo will have more all time records.
Calma.
Haha you're absolutely seething and bitter.
No it doesn't
The only difference is, Messi will have more Ballon Do'rs, while Ronaldo will have more all time records.
Messi has had a better career.
Ronaldo has more records because he has played 116 more games.
Congrats to Messi! He deserves it and this win makes this a debate again as now he has tied Ronaldo. This thread can now be pretty active again.
Granted the Copa America quality is really poor compared to the Euro and the amount of cracks Messi has had at it in the last 5 years you would imagine the chips would eventually fall his way considering either Brazil or Argentina will be on the final 9x/10 as every other teams is Miles behind them every year.
A win is a win though and a player of his caliber deserved one.
Granted the Copa America quality is really poor compared to the Euro and the amount of cracks Messi has had at it in the last 5 years you would imagine the chips would eventually fall his way considering either Brazil or Argentina will be on the final 9x/10 as every other teams is Miles behind them every year.
A win is a win though and a player of his caliber deserved one.
It is so predictable that Ronaldo fans are starting to move the goal posts as usual.
It’s actually the opposite.
Ronaldo wins the Euro and it means “nothing”
Messi wins the Copa to tie Ronaldo for international trophies in a weaker competition and you hear,
“Close the Thread” “end to the debate”
Etc.
As had always been with this silly debate,
If Ronaldo does it it’s whatever but if Messi does it it counts double.
Ronaldo won a 3 peat “ehh”
If Messi had done it “omg debate over!!! Ronaldo would never, dominance” etc.
It’s been that level of double standard in this debate since day 1.
Messi fans move the goal post more then anyone I know.
Ah the good old weaker tournament argument.
European teams won 4 of the last 5 WC. It’s probably fair to say the Euro is a bit harder to win.Ah the good old weaker tournament argument.
That being said, the smaller nations in Copa are probably of higher quality, every match feels like a proper scrap.
Ah the good old weaker tournament argument.
it's absurd when it's being used in this particular context. Wales and Poland before the final, Austria, Hungary and Iceland in group stage. on international stage those teams are what Getafe and Bilbao are in La Liga, but these underage CR fans are making it sound like Portugal played Spain 2012 and France 2000 when Ronaldo won it. but I get it, the narrative.
Your delusion is unfathomable.
At lest you can now say they are equal in terms of results with their international team.
Just had a look at Euro 2016 to see how Ronaldo performed, and remembered that Portugal only won a single game in 90 minutes that tournament must be some kind of record.
Just had a look at Euro 2016 to see how Ronaldo performed, and remembered that Portugal only won a single game in 90 minutes that tournament
must be some kind of record.What's stupid about the whole debate is the finals each of them have played in for their countries. Messi has played some good finals but lost while yesterday he played poorly but won and now that supposedly confirms his GOAT status. Same with Ronaldo, was a non factor in his two recent finals especially Euro 2016 which his fans rushed to call him the GOAT after.
It's just clear people are just looking for narratives to seal stories. If one of them had an international finals like Messi's CL final performance in 2011 or Roanldo's in 2017, it would make sense but their NT finals were all about the team rather than them.
If Messi winning yesterday made you change your mind then that is a horrible way to judge players.
It's just clear people are just looking for narratives to seal stories. If one of them had an international finals like Messi's CL final performance in 2011 or Roanldo's in 2017, it would make sense but their NT finals were all about the team rather than them.
If Messi winning yesterday made you change your mind then that is a horrible way to judge players.
I don't think a single poster in the history of this thread has ever changed their mind. That's the whole point.
Ok I know you just want to trigger a reaction here, but I remember not long ago you've actually said this yourself:
But anyway, at this moment I think they have more or less equal career, the only signifiant thing which separates them before is an international trophy, so fair play to Messi. Take nothing away from both players, Messi will always be regarded better player, as back up by his Ballon D'ors too. Ronaldo will always have most of the records though (yes he played more games, but to be able to play so many games at top level without losing his legs is also an achievement itself where very few could match)
Before Messi won anything "who cares about international footy"
Now that he did "settles the debate".
Anyway, it's good Messi won something with Argentina it truly would have been embarrassing otherwise.
I always thought he took a big chunk of blame for previous failures . "Higuin missing an open goal" was such a stupid excuse.
This Copa Messi played quite well.
Now that he did "settles the debate".
Anyway, it's good Messi won something with Argentina it truly would have been embarrassing otherwise.
I always thought he took a big chunk of blame for previous failures . "Higuin missing an open goal" was such a stupid excuse.
This Copa Messi played quite well.
Have Messi and Ronaldo won the world cup? No. Have Pele and Maradonna? Yes.
Enough said.
Enough said.
You obviously have more quality in the euros compared to the copa nowadays.
But you cant use that argument for Ronaldo in 2016 because he played against Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Croatia, Poland and Wales, not really the most difficult run ever.
But you cant use that argument for Ronaldo in 2016 because he played against Hungary, Iceland, Austria, Croatia, Poland and Wales, not really the most difficult run ever.
Laughable that the usual suspects are downplaying Messi's Copa America win when Messi was..
Top Goalscorer of the tournament
Top Assister (broke the record for most assists at the tournament, the previous record was also held by him)
Player of the Tournament
All this at 34.
This is the 3rd time he's been awarded the player of the tournament at an international competition. Ronaldo hasn't ever been in the conversation for one.
Ronaldo played Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Wales and France in his Euro win. And in the France game he was off within 15 mins. Not to mention they finished 3rd in their group and only won 1 game in 90 mins.
Messi faced Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Bolivia, Colombia and Brazil. Those teams are analogous if I'm being generous. Messi managed to have the most goals and assists in Copa's history and was awarded best player of the tournament
Any myth that Ronaldo had a better international career can be put to rest now.
Top Goalscorer of the tournament
Top Assister (broke the record for most assists at the tournament, the previous record was also held by him)
Player of the Tournament
All this at 34.
This is the 3rd time he's been awarded the player of the tournament at an international competition. Ronaldo hasn't ever been in the conversation for one.
Ronaldo played Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Wales and France in his Euro win. And in the France game he was off within 15 mins. Not to mention they finished 3rd in their group and only won 1 game in 90 mins.
Messi faced Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Bolivia, Colombia and Brazil. Those teams are analogous if I'm being generous. Messi managed to have the most goals and assists in Copa's history and was awarded best player of the tournament
Any myth that Ronaldo had a better international career can be put to rest now.
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When Spanish sides won 5 CL's in a row and EL wins as well you still had many people(including on here) claim that the EPL was a harder competition and better league.
When South American teams won 3/5 World Cups I bet people would still have said the Euros was a harder competition to win. Also Europe gets 3 times more sides in World Cups, they have a better % to win it as a result.
Portugal won the last edition by finishing THIRD in the group stages drawing 3 games. England have played Scotland, Czech Rep, Ukraine, Denmark, an aged Croatia side and a Germany side who has been poor for 3 years now and playing most of the tournament at home. In Copa you have to beat the strongest sides in the knockouts most of the time, Euros you can get lucky with the new format.
There is more elite sides in Europe, but you never really need to defeat more than 2 in a Euros, sometimes only 1 ala 2016. Spain won it in 08 with only playing Italy and Germany of high calibre. Uruguay, Chile and Colombia are underrated on here and people don't grasp how difficult each game is against all three especially with how physical they make the matches against Argentina and Brazil.
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60/40
Even without the 750+ goals Messi is still like an even better version of David Silva(who is considered to be amongst one of the PL's greatest). He's a quicker, stronger version whilst still being a better dribbler, a better passer, better crosser etc. I can't really say what Ronaldo would be without the goals. I do think it's closer than I previously gave Ronaldo credit for though and he's closed the gap over the past few years with the number of big goals he's scored and his record in the latter stages of the CL.
Winning the World Cup, or any cup is a team effort.
I don’t think it’s fair to judge the four based on who’s won a World Cup.
Ah the good old weaker tournament argument.
Messi is far better, it's not even close.
Yeah but....its just the copa. He was thrashing teams like Ecuador and Bolivia, while Ronaldo was facing the likes of Belgium, France and Spain.
What I find absolutely hilarious is how you fanboys are placing so much importance on the copa all of a sudden. Surely if he's "not in the conversation", then you probably already felt this way regardless of the copa?
Legacy I would say they are equal yes, career wise Messi edges it. Legacy and career are different if that makes sense.
so Messi wins the final against Brazil at Maracana, Ronaldo loses it against Greece in the middle of Lisbon. is this even a debate anymore?
Teenager Ronaldo. Well done.
You realise Ronaldo played Iceland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Wales and France in his Euro win right? And in the France game he was off within 15 mins. Not to mention they finished 3rd in their group and only won 1 game in 90 mins.
Messi faced Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador, Bolivia, Columbia and Brazil. Those teams are analogous at the very least and Messi finished the tournament top goalscorer, top assister and player of the tournament.
The 'not in the conversation' is to being player of the tournament. Ronaldo hasn't been awarded it and Messi has 3 times.
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I don't know how would you rate their career differently. But for me, I see them both winning a major trophy for their country, both won 30+ trophies for their clubs, both score similar no. of goals+ assist throughout their career. The difference is no. of Ballon Dors, no. of CL, and no. of all time records they hold, which isn't big difference anyway.
Trophies count: Messi 35 > Ronaldo 32
(Tie. Both in same league as they both won 30+ trophies. No one had won more trophies than these 2)
International trophies: Messi 1 = Ronaldo 1
(Tie)
CL: Ronaldo 5 > Messi 3 (or 4)
(Ronaldo wins)
Ballon D'ors: Messi 6 (or 7) > Ronaldo 5
(Messi wins)
Records: Ronaldo > Messi
(Ronaldo wins with most career goals, most CL goals, most international goals, and most major tournament goals)
Goals: Ronaldo 783 > Messi 748
(Tie, as Messi is younger and the goal difference isn't really conclusive)
Assists: Messi 315 > Ronaldo 225
(Messi wins)
I just don't see any of them have a clear edge over the other.
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