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Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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There's another one next year? Already?He won’t retire now. Next year’s Copa is in Argentina.
If he doesn’t win that one, though...
Imagine all the hate if Ronaldo had been the one giving this interview
Claiming they got robbed and that Conmebol won't change a thing because Brazil controls everything and they wanted them to lose. Looking forward to all the media outrage at this.
Incoming retirement
I know Messi fans don't want to hear it but this is all part of reason why people use Messi staying at barca as a negative against him compared to Ronaldo. He has absolutely crumbled over the last 5 years when his team has been in uncomfortable situations at the highest level.
He just doesn't seem to deal with that pressure well and becomes lazy. Now imagine him in a different country, different language, different style of play, fans that don't have an automatic love for him and start to boo him, away from family and friends etc.
I just think the last few years show how much he would struggle if he did move elsewhere he just doesn't have it in him.
He just doesn't seem to deal with that pressure well and becomes lazy. Now imagine him in a different country, different language, different style of play, fans that don't have an automatic love for him and start to boo him, away from family and friends etc.
I just think the last few years show how much he would struggle if he did move elsewhere he just doesn't have it in him.
That's a really stupid point and diminishes the role of the other 10 players in the team and aggrandizes the role of Ronaldo. Take 2004 for example - tournament was at home, Figo and Rui Costa were at their pomp, Deco having a great tournament and Porto had just won the CL thus Paulo Ferreira, Costinha, Carvalho, Maniche etc were in the form of their lives. Ronaldo was not a primary, secondary or tertiary factor in that achievement, but go ahead and knock yourself out.
How old were you in 2004? To say ronaldo wasn't even a tertiary factor is a ridiculous statement.
Ronaldo had a good tournament in 2004. Was in most people's team of the tournament.
You think that if Moutinho wasnt Argentine, he wouldnt have at least 50 caps by now? Who keeps him out of the Argie midfield over the last 5 years? You think that Rui Patricio wouldnt have a chance of usurping the iseless Willy at last years WC?
Portugal haven't had players as good as Argentina but theyve had structure and cohesion as a unit whereas the Argies have truly been a mess.
Leo was atrocious this tournament, by a long way his worst for his country.
You think if aguero was Portugal he wouldn't be considered the best pure striker Portugal ever had?
Di Maria would have shone in his Madrid role to cover for Ronaldo and mascherano in the DM role. Mascherano was the worlds best dm when Barca converted him into a CB.
Otamendi is better than anyone who has partnered pepe in ages and even banega would be a star. The only place where you can argue Portugal is better is fullbacks and maybe the wings.
Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
I mean if you want to make that statement do it about a poll in a Madrid forum. He left us in 2008 after two world class seasons.
Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
I mean this poll is not meant to be take serious. It was closed the 3 years in a row ronaldo won the ballon dor. Then only opened up this season when messi was finally showing something in the CL.
Yeah the poll got skwed because the mods wanted to troll.
Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
Think we can all agree, Messi is Sasuke and Ronaldo is Naruto.
But Argentina do NOT have to finish ahead of any of those sides to qualify for the WC. They need to finish ahead of Peru, Paraguay, Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela and they'd be assured of a WC place or at worst a playoff against the 5th best AFC side.
Portugal have had to finish ahead of Switzerland and playoff against Sweden in the last 2 qualifying who are better than any of those.
Not saying that he is better because the poll says so. He is better and United fans by a vast majority think so.
The stats show Ronaldo the all time international topscorer in the world (ex Asia).
You're being (understandably) kind.
Portugal have only ever qualified for 3 WC finals before Ronaldo, and they have qualified for EVERY WC since.
I like the way the Messi brigade always says he reached 2 Copa America finals, never LOST 2 Copa America finals.
Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
There we go again, the Messi brigade at its best.Seriously, anyone who doesn't think Ronaldo is DEFINITELY in the top 5 needs a brain test.
Ronaldo has been a more effective player than Messi for the past 5 years. But I believe the version of Messi that played under Guardiola is the footballing GOAT. The best the game has ever seen.
The current version of Messi is not fit to lace the boots of that past version of himself.
The current version of Messi is not fit to lace the boots of that past version of himself.
I like the way the Messi brigade always says he reached 2 Copa America finals, never LOST 2 Copa America finals.
I said "lost in the penalties," not in the actual match.
I didn't say the way you phrased it wasn't correct, just funny how it's very consistent the Messi fans always talk about him reaching those finals, but not losing those finals.
Especially the one he cost them the trophy with his penalty miss.
Can I just clarify with the Ronaldo brigade if they now think that Ronaldo had a better season than Messi?
2019 Messi can only be compared with 2020 CR (EuroCh).
If you're talking about Ballon D'or, it's done on the calendar year and Ronaldo has certainly been more successful in 2019.
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Hahahha.
Nah, in the past year Messi was better. Not as far away as people pretend though. They played in very different contexts and as we’ve seen with Messi in Argentina and Messi in Barcelona, it massively affects how good they look.
Ronaldo’s season is underrated because his numbers went down despite overall playing better than he did in 2017/18. Hopefully with Sarri coming in he can have a lot more chances to shine next season and he puts up bigger numbers.
I'm not, I said season.
Fair play to you, a reasonable take I would have thought.
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Both Ronaldo and Messi perform worse for country imo. I read a stat (not sure if confirmed) that Messi and Ronaldo have scored a combined 0 goals in the knockout stages of the World Cup. If you look at Ronaldo's performances in the knockout stages of the Champions League (with multiple clubs), they are much better compared to his performances in the World Cup knockouts. Same thing with Messi although I feel Messi has slowed down in the away games of knockout matches for clubs. They are both amazing players, but it's alarming how different they perform in the knockouts of the World Cup compared to their club. Just take C. Ronaldo against Atletico Madrid. He scored 3 goals last season yet in the World Cup, he was non-existent despite playing against the same centre-back pairing.
Both are great players though.
Both are great players though.
18/19 Messi had the better season
Fair play to you too.
In the past 6/7 years it’s not true at all there’s any sort of significant difference between Ronaldo’s performances for club and country. It was very much the case from 2008 to 2011 when he got heavily criticized but it was the opposite before then with him playing better for Portugal from 2004 to 2007 than he did for United.
Queiroz’s time as Portugal manager was the only time there was a significant drop in quality he deserved to be criticized for.
For that matter how many games he and most of the young caftards watched of Pele, Maradona, Best and Cruyff? YouTube doesn't count because even an ok player looks good. None I'm sure and for example if they really watched Maradona (my favorite) they will see immediately how far Messi is from him. Ronaldo for me was more fun to watch before he started to be a goal scoring machine and he proved in different leagues how good he is and Messi always stayed in his comfort zone - same team, same league all his career. Messi was great when Xavi and Iniesta played there and good after Xavi left and then less good when Iniesta left.
Quitting on your national team and looking half the player you are when you leave the comfort zone of Barca is not goat material. He is too weak minded. Not a player for the big occasion and that is where you separate great players from Goat players.Did anybody tell you that your examples suck? Get over it, Ronaldo is a good player but not goat material, maybe top ten and I'm not even sure. He can't win a poll in a fecking United forum.
Listen he still has done well for himself being compared to Ronaldo in Ronaldos era. Second to Ronaldo is not a bad thing.He should be proud of that.
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