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Out of all of the Messi moments, this is the one that had really left my jaw on the floor:


Someone said it earlier: At times it's like a top player having a kick-about with a bunch of primary school kids.
 
17Larsson said:
When he retires the highlight reel for Messi will be hours long. We are so lucky to be able to watch him play every week
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Just imagine how great the stories about him would've been if he'd played in an era where he received minimal coverage making people soak up his greatness even more.
 
predator said:
Well I am very open minded on the topic but I don't have enough time to go into it in enough detail. Simply put Messi is the best ever. He is playing in a generation where rules are stricter, science and health is more advanced and the game has evolved astranomically. Whether Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo, George Best, Zidane would have made a bigger impact were they born 25 years years ago who knows.

But Messi has just produded the best pieces of play ever. Its not worth debating unless we had a time machine.
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Zidane was playing at an era not that different from the current one in terms of training, rules and health. Same with Ronaldo.
 
Cal? said:
No one is arguing over that though, Nani is probably more gifted than Beckham was, but that doesn't make him a better player.

As for beautiful, you have strange taste... :nervous:
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Beautiful in terms of footballing style, just like Ronaldinho was :drool:

Ronaldo has the hotter bod, but I'd go with Messi's face.
 
kouroux said:
Zidane was playing at an era not that different from the current one in terms of training, rules and health. Same with Ronaldo.
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Fair enough. This reinforces my point even further. When I think about who is the greatest player ever I try and put previous greats in today's generation and predict how they'd do. Maybe you could do it the opposite way (put messi and Ronaldo back in Maradonas day and see how they would fair).
Either way I'm fully convinced Messi is the greatest ever. I respect all great players of all ages but Messi is something else.
 
predator said:
Fair enough. This reinforces my point even further. When I think about who is the greatest player ever I try and put previous greats in today's generation and predict how they'd do. Maybe you could do it the opposite way (put messi and Ronaldo back in Maradonas day and see how they would fair).
Either way I'm fully convinced Messi is the greatest ever. I respect all great players of all ages but Messi is something else.
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He is something else. My biggest footballing regret is Ronaldo injuring his knees the way he did and how he had to change his game as a result, if he had kept a relatively good fitness level, with his talent, he could have been on par or even better than the current Messi.
 
Ronaldo is the player you'd dream up when imagining yourself as a superstar footballer. Messi is the player you wouldn't have even been able to.


Or something grandiose like that.
 
kouroux said:
He is something else. My biggest footballing regret is Ronaldo injuring his knees the way he did and how he had to change his game as a result, if he had kept a relatively good fitness level, with his talent, he could have been on par or even better than the current Messi.
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I agree, but its very hard to make that argument when these 2 are putting up NBA numbers, i really think if Ronaldo was healthy played in this era he'd have been rated higher than he is now, greatest 9 I've ever witnessed.
 
dxadel said:
Should've have been only one really, but it still adds up to 3...Messi has 4(potentially 5), i haven't seen you say anything positive about Messi's performances today, i mean you love football don't you? or do you just love Ronaldo?
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Really. TBH my favorite footballer was and is still Rooney;)
I just don't like this knee jerk reactions, yes Messi played terific game today and should have at least two more asissts but i still think Ronaldo is better in the last three years. But hey it is all personal opinion.
And about ballon d'or... why you already said two times that Messi will win next one even if it is still two horse race. If Barca will win CL then it is Messi's if Real will win it it will be Ronaldo's. And don't start who should have less balon d'ors because the one Messi got in the 2010 was just shocking. Sneijder should got it. Great world cup, treble at Inter and he was 4'th. It was a crime.
 
justboy68 said:
Ronaldo is the player you'd dream up when imagining yourself as a superstar footballer. Messi is the player you wouldn't have even been able to.


Or something grandiose like that.
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You often see prototypes of Ronaldo everywhere you go, he can be cloned (everything except for his impact of course), i don't think you can draw up a plan to clone Messi talk less of actually cloning him.
 
Cal? said:
So Ronaldo has been the better player according to the football world 3 out of the last 7 years and Messi 4, hardly the no contest you lot seem to portray.
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So you're admitting that Messi is a better player, yes? I mean if he's been better in 4 out of 7 seasons then he must be better.

Either that or you don't trust the 'football world' and therefore your original (main) point that the two previous ballon d'ors point to Ronaldo being a better player is irrelevant. Go on, pick one.

The problem Cal? is that you come up with arguments you know are bullshit merely to push your agenda. You'll say one thing one day, then completely contradict that point on another. It mystifies me how a person could so overtly act that way and see their own opinion as anywhere close to approaching objective. Either that or you're simply doing it on purpose.
 
1. Messi 77 goals in Champions league football
2. Ronaldo 76 goals in Champions league football

Read that again. We as fans are truly blessed to have these players pushing each other to the limit. What an era to have indeed.
 
So this is where all the knobheads hang out. Is there a vs thread that isn't a total mess?
Where was my invite?
 
Pink Moon said:
The basis should be who does more? Both are excellent goalscorers but who is the better dribbler? Who is the better passer? Who creates more? Who's involved more? The answer to all is Messi.

Ronaldo, whether people like to admit it or not, has essentially become a poacher. The Ronaldo at United doesn't exist any more.
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dxadel said:
Is this really what you're reducing this debate to?
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It is a debate of efficiency vs entertainment. In any of such debates, the more entertaining player will always be favoured. Some footballing attributes are more valued than others. Most of the things Ronaldo excels at are things most people don't care about. Fo e.g no one brings heading to the table.

Incidentally Messi v Ronaldo debates tend to pop up whenever Messi/Ronaldo score a great goal. However, they both score a lot bog standard goals. Ronaldo more-so than Messi as he's more goal (no pun) oriented. I guess what I'm saying is, the reason most people see Messi as the better player (including myself) is that he's better at the things most football fans like to see. But in an attribute by attribute comparison they're probably like for like. Unfortunately you cannot quantify certain attributes.
 
Jerch said:
Really. TBH my favorite footballer was and is still Rooney;)
I just don't like this knee jerk reactions, yes Messi played terific game today and should have at least two more asissts but i still think Ronaldo is better in the last three years. But hey it is all personal opinion.
And about ballon d'or... why you already said two times that Messi will win next one even if it is still two horse race. If Barca will win CL then it is Messi's if Real will win it it will be Ronaldo's. And don't start who should have less balon d'ors because the one Messi got in the 2010 was just shocking. Sneijder should got it. Great world cup, treble at Inter and he was 4'th. It was a crime.
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1.) The reactions aren't "Knee jerk" at all, the word is actually abused on here by people who love to think that they are better by not showing emotion etc, when you witness greatness you talk about it, it just so happens that we haven't witnessed this type of greatness from Ronaldo in a while.

2.) From what I've seen this season (and it's been a long season, as we're already in may) Messi is truly the best in the world, this might sound like a bold statement but performance wise - it hasn't really been that close this season, Goals? its a 2 horse race, the Ballon D'or has never been about trophies, the World Player of the year perhaps but not the ballon d'or, Real Madrid could very well win the double and Messi would still be the better player.
 
kouroux said:
He is something else. My biggest footballing regret is Ronaldo injuring his knees the way he did and how he had to change his game as a result, if he had kept a relatively good fitness level, with his talent, he could have been on par or even better than the current Messi.
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Can't say you are wrong. It pains me to say Ronaldo (R9) isn't the best ever because he is the man I idolised whilst growing up playing football. I think he was, like Messi, frighteningly good. Unlike Messi though he was inconsistent throughout his career which maybe is down to injuries but we will never know.

As it stands Messi is the best ever. I would honestly love to hear a person construct a solid argument as to why someone else is better.
 
Greatest player of all time, [bleeping] incredible, honestly when I sit down to watch Messi play every week I think "I'm going to see something special today", and no other player makes me feel that.

If you could bottle what he does, it's magic.
 
steve zizou said:
It is a debate of efficiency vs entertainment. In any of such debates, the more entertaining player will always be favoured. Some footballing attributes are more valued than others. Most of the things Ronaldo excels at are things most people don't care about. Fo e.g no one brings heading to the table.

Incidentally Messi v Ronaldo debates tend to pop up whenever Messi/Ronaldo score a great goal. However, they both score a lot bog standard goals. Ronaldo more-so than Messi as he's more goal (no pun) oriented. I guess what I'm saying is, the reason most people see Messi as the better player (including myself) is that he's better at the things most football fans like to see. But in an attribute by attribute comparison they're probably like for like. Unfortunately you cannot quantify certain attributes.
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I don't think they are like for like, Ronaldo hasn't controlled games the way Messi has this season, the reason most people see Messi as the better player is because he's the better player.
 
predator said:
Can't say you are wrong. It pains me to say Ronaldo (R9) isn't the best ever because he is the man I idolised whilst growing up playing football. I think he was, like Messi, frighteningly good. Unlike Messi though he was inconsistent throughout his career which maybe is down to injuries but we will never know.

As it stands Messi is the best ever. I would honestly love to hear a person construct a solid argument as to why someone else is better.
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Same man.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
1. Messi 77 goals in Champions league football
2. Ronaldo 76 goals in Champions league football

Read that again. We as fans are truly blessed to have these players pushing each other to the limit. What an era to have indeed.
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Narrowing Messi down to just goals doesn't do him justice, too. Saying Messi scored two tonight doesn't explain just how good he was.
 
Regarding the CL semi final, we know one guy scored a header which would be very hard to miss. Another guy left Boateng for dead, scored another goal from outside the box, created 1-1 to chances for both Suarez and Neymar (which they both missed), and provided an assist later. But forgetting all these, let's look into what else they did in the game. Passing on left, dribbles on right. You decide now who's better player.

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predator said:
Can't say you are wrong. It pains me to say Ronaldo (R9) isn't the best ever because he is the man I idolised whilst growing up playing football. I think he was, like Messi, frighteningly good. Unlike Messi though he was inconsistent throughout his career which maybe is down to injuries but we will never know.

As it stands Messi is the best ever. I would honestly love to hear a person construct a solid argument as to why someone else is better.
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He's still a perfectly good footballing idol to have. Not being the greatest ever shouldn't really be considered a strike against any legendary player such as Brazilian Ronaldo. Messi doing his thing now doesn't detract from the legacy of past greats, at least it shouldn't. I'm similar to you in that Ronaldo was the one when I was a kid. I remember in the old FIFA games when they couldn't even use his name for some reason and he was just 'no.9' and the best player on it :lol:.
 
I don't even see how anyone cannot see that Messi is acres ahead of Ronaldo, they are not in the same division.
 
Cal? said:
No one is arguing over that though, Nani is probably more gifted than Beckham was, but that doesn't make him a better player.

As for beautiful, you have strange taste... :nervous:
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Nani was someone who is generally perceived as having failed to live up to his potential though, or only living up to it for a season or so. Messi's been performing incredibly for about 7 years now.

For all your use of stats/awards etc, the discussion relates to who is the better football player: Ronaldo or Messi, ie who is the better at playing football. I simply fail to see how anyone in the world is better at it than Messi.
 
Vitro said:
So you're admitting that Messi is a better player, yes? I mean if he's been better in 4 out of 7 seasons then he must be better.

Either that or you don't trust the 'football world' and therefore your original (main) point that the two previous ballon d'ors point to Ronaldo being a better player is irrelevant. Go on, pick one.

The problem Cal? is that you come up with arguments you know are bullshit merely to push your agenda. You'll say one thing one day, then completely contradict that point on another. It mystifies me how a person could so overtly act that way and see their own opinion as anywhere close to approaching objective. Either that or you're simply doing it on purpose.
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No, I'm saying that it's close enough between them that people have different opinions about who's better, I've always maintained that it's my opinion that Ronaldo is better and I have never tried to force anyone to agree with me. Messi fans in general don't understand the difference between opinions and facts, and just resort to name calling the people who don't agree with them.
 
RooneyLegend said:
How's this debate still going?
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It's laughable it still is, even last year Messi deserved the Balllon D'or, these are stats from last year in La Liga 13/14 season.

Messi superior player, yet still Ronaldo is Ballon D'or winner, Messi has a better world cup, yet Ronaldo still wins it?

It was fully down to the Ballon D'or last year.

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Snip of some of the stats last year, can go look at passing, defensive work, everything, who was superior? Messi was, from an all round footballing perspective he was superior and has been for 7 years (wins on passing, duels, players taken on list goes on).

Messi is just on another planet to Ronaldo, Greatest of all time. Frightening how good he is, greatest of all time.

Not only this but even when Ronaldo won it with United, Messi missed a lot of the season due to a thigh tear against Celtic, where Messi was looking phenomenal in that season.

When Messi is fit, and Messi is playing, Ronaldo is forever in his shadow, and stats don't lie in that regard.
 
steve zizou said:
It is a debate of efficiency vs entertainment. In any of such debates, the more entertaining player will always be favoured. Some footballing attributes are more valued than others. Most of the things Ronaldo excels at are things most people don't care about. Fo e.g no one brings heading to the table.

Incidentally Messi v Ronaldo debates tend to pop up whenever Messi/Ronaldo score a great goal. However, they both score a lot bog standard goals. Ronaldo more-so than Messi as he's more goal (no pun) oriented. I guess what I'm saying is, the reason most people see Messi as the better player (including myself) is that he's better at the things most football fans like to see. But in an attribute by attribute comparison they're probably like for like. Unfortunately you cannot quantify certain attributes.
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No that's not the argument. It isn't a just a case of Messi being more flashy. Apart from superior dribbling ability, Messi has vision that Ronaldo just doesn't have. Those two things make Messi the better player. If Messi isn't scoring goals, vision and dribbling help his team win a game. There are so many games where if Ronaldo isn't scoring he isn't doing much to help his team win the game. Messi on the other hand does not rely on goals like that. He can beat teams with his superior skillset. If Messi's dribbling and vision were inconsistent you could make that argument, but that's not the case.
 
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predator said:
Can't say you are wrong. It pains me to say Ronaldo (R9) isn't the best ever because he is the man I idolised whilst growing up playing football. I think he was, like Messi, frighteningly good. Unlike Messi though he was inconsistent throughout his career which maybe is down to injuries but we will never know.

As it stands Messi is the best ever. I would honestly love to hear a person construct a solid argument as to why someone else is better.
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There are plenty of them, Messi's performances are at a much higher level than Ronaldo. It's hard to even notice Ronaldo on the pitch at times where as Messi just seems to float around the pitch causing danger where ever he goes.

I wouldn't even call it a debate as it never was close who the better play was/is and anyone who favours for Ronaldo i just dont listen to them any more because they are a lost cause.
 
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