Well yeah, he put Suarez through for a 1 v 1 in the first 10 minutes.
Then put Neymar through on goal in the second half, where a bad first touch allowed Neuer to sweep up ....
All this excluding his actual assist as well....
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Then put Neymar through on goal in the second half, where a bad first touch allowed Neuer to sweep up ....
All this excluding his actual assist as well....
You're entitled to your opinion, just like some prefer Maradona and others Pele, it's a free world a free after all.
It's an award for the best season, not best player. I'd imagine if you asked the 'football world' for their opinion on the latter Lionel Messi would win by a landslide.
Fair enough. Before the merging of awards, Ballon D'Or took into consideration trophies the player won. I think it was the right approach and for that I hoped that Sneijder/Ribery would win it despite that Messi in the first case and Messi/Ronaldo in the second case were better.
I don't even know why I'm posting in this thread at this very moment because I maintain my view that Messi is the greatest player to ever play the game. He is definitely the best in the world over the past 7 years (by a country mile). But anyone who has ever played football will know deep down, regardless of their bias, that he is the best ever. What he does to professional defenders and goalkeepers is what I'd expect anyone at the top level to do to schoolkids.
It is genuinely frightening how good he is.
It is genuinely frightening how good he is.
So Ronaldo has been the better player according to the football world 3 out of the last 7 years and Messi 4, hardly the no contest you lot seem to portray.
OK, Messi is good. But can he do it on a windy rainy Tuesday night in Stoke? 
Not really....
I don't watch La Liga except when Real/Atletico/Barcelona/Valencia play each other, but I do try and catch every CL game involving Real & Barcelona.
For me, it isn't even close. Messi is, by far, the most naturally gifted & beautiful footballer I've ever seen.
For me, it isn't even close. Messi is, by far, the most naturally gifted & beautiful footballer I've ever seen.
I just feel football is such a team sport, and people forget just how much of a team sport, that you can't credit an individual so much for a team trophy. It's like saying Messi or whoever YOU won the champions league, hence YOU were better. No, the team won the champions league and you're better if you were actually better. IMO of course.
The thread title needs to be changed to reflect the lack of competition in this match up.
I don't know about the best ever and people who are older (including great players of other era) claim that Pele was easily the best, but i is hard to imagine how there might have existed a player who was better than Messi. Seriously, some of the stuff he does it is impossible to do even in the videogames. Then it is constitency, being a big match player, and breaking record after record in what is a very tactically astute era and any team can have as much info for him to build strategies how to defend against him. The closest thing to black magic I have ever seen in real life.
No one is arguing over that though, Nani is probably more gifted than Beckham was, but that doesn't make him a better player.
As for beautiful, you have strange taste...
Aye, I agree with you.
Agreed. Trophies should not be one of the main factors when judging who deserves an individual award. The players individual performances and consistency should be what is most important.
Who's better? Well they both have comparable stats on the pitch. So the basis of this argument is probably who scores the more beautiful goal and is more pleasing to the eye. I mean it is not as if Ronaldo has never left a defender on his arse before... But hey, brand Messi just makes goals look nicer.
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The basis should be who does more? Both are excellent goalscorers but who is the better dribbler? Who is the better passer? Who creates more? Who's involved more? The answer to all is Messi.
Ronaldo, whether people like to admit it or not, has essentially become a poacher. The Ronaldo at United doesn't exist any more.
According to Mourinho, the title of this thread should be Messi v Ronaldo v Hazard.
One day we'll disagree and what we have will be gone, forever.
It really isn't.
Is this really what you're reducing this debate to?
Yeah. I can't say for sure that someone like Pele wasn't better than Messi as I didn't see enough of him to make that call but I find it hard to imagine how he could have been. I mean that literally, I actually can't picture what someone better than Messi would look like on a football pitch...
Aye, expanding on that, and adding in Slippy's comments, it should be:
Messi v Ronaldo v Hazard v J Cole
According to TheShedEnd it should be 'Who is the second best player in the world: Messi or Ronaldo'?
So much Messi lovers that i checked three times if i am not on Barca forum.
I accept there was never even a question who is better in the past 4 years,
I accept there was never even a question who is better in the past 4 years,
One day we'll disagree and what we have will be gone, forever.
I refuse to believe that, because what we have, is special I should have just replied with "agreed"
I'd say it's a bunch of football lovers man.
The thing about bringing up the Ballon D'or is Messi has 1 more than Ronaldo and it's about to be 2, you're just grasping at straws really..
I don't think there is anything that Ronaldo or Messi could do that would get Cal to change his mind. He's gone too far, he can't go back now.
Last two...
OK, Messi is good. But can he do it on a windy rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?
Messi would make them Stoke defenders go stomach sliding....with no rain dropping out of the sky.
Should've have been only one really, but it still adds up to 3...Messi has 4(potentially 5), i haven't seen you say anything positive about Messi's performances today, i mean you love football don't you? or do you just love Ronaldo?
When he retires the highlight reel for Messi will be hours long. We are so lucky to be able to watch him play every week
Well I am very open minded on the topic but I don't have enough time to go into it in enough detail. Simply put Messi is the best ever. He is playing in a generation where rules are stricter, science and health is more advanced and the game has evolved astranomically. Whether Maradona, Pele, Ronaldo, George Best, Zidane would have made a bigger impact were they born 25 years years ago who knows.
But Messi has just produded the best pieces of play ever. Its not worth debating unless we had a time machine.
Messi is the best without a doubt. Ronaldo can only beat him when he is ill or not fit.
Unbelievable, that’s what Messi is. Ronaldo is a fantastic striker, the whole team plays for him. Messi is the main element.
Messi>>Ronaldo>rest of the world.
Messi>>Ronaldo>rest of the world.
Messi is better than Ronaldo right now. Messi is looking fantastic whilst also helping to make Suarez and Neymar look fantastic.
Ronaldo is fantastic too but you dont see Bale + 1 looking great too at the same time.
Ronaldo deserved the Balon D'ors when he won it (especially last year), but theres no question, right now, Messi is better. Both are better though cos of each other and the competition they bring.
Ronaldo is fantastic too but you dont see Bale + 1 looking great too at the same time.
Ronaldo deserved the Balon D'ors when he won it (especially last year), but theres no question, right now, Messi is better. Both are better though cos of each other and the competition they bring.
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