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Pocho said:
Can't believe this thread is still up, you Ronaldo fans are stubborn as f..ck. Ronaldo is a great goalscorer. Messi is the best player ever. There's nothing wrong with that. Are you trying to convince us that he is a better player than Maradona, Distefano, Pelé, Cruyff aswell?
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Mate, you make the same comment literally every single time pretty much word by word. Don't think you can call anyone stubborn :lol:

You think Neymar is a better football player than Cristiano Ronaldo so you can forget about Maradona and Di Stefano. Should focus on the real argument instead.
 
Peyroteo said:
Mate, you make the same comment literally every single time pretty much word by word. Don't think you can call anyone stubborn :lol:

You think Neymar is a better football player than Cristiano Ronaldo so you can forget about Maradona and Di Stefano. Should focus on the real argument instead.
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Maybe i say always the same, but you are flodding the forum with your nonsense over and over. Long posts and boring, I guess nobody reads them anymore. Drop it already, nobody is going to change their minds anyway.
 
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Pocho said:
Maybe i say always the same, but you are flodding the forum with your nonsense over and over. Long posts and boring, I guess nobody reads them anymore. Drop it already, nobody is going to change his mind anyway.
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Then why are you here? Why don't you follow your own advice?

Also, you can put me on ignore and you won't have to read my nonsensical and boring posts again if they bother you.
 
Pocho said:
Can't believe this thread is still up, you Ronaldo fans are stubborn as f..ck. Ronaldo is a great goalscorer. Messi is the best player ever. There's nothing wrong with that. Are you trying to convince us that he is a better player than Maradona, Distefano, Pelé, Cruyff aswell?
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He clearly is
 
The circle jerk that is the Messi thread is something to be admired. I rarely venture over there and you have people proclaiming Messi has very high IQ!? :wenger:

The player who most resembles Messi’s style is perhaps Maradona and we all know how he fared as a manager.

Edit: I’m not making any judgement on Messi’s IQ
 
Cal? said:
The circle jerk that is the Messi thread is something to be admired. I rarely venture over there and you have people proclaiming Messi has very high IQ!? :wenger:

The player who most resembles Messi’s style is perhaps Maradona and we all know how he fared as a manager.

Edit: I’m not making any judgement on Messi’s IQ
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Then what is your point :lol: ?
 
kouroux said:
Then what is your point :lol: ?
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That footballing ability is a dreadful dreadful indication of IQ (or lack thereof), with the likes of Pele and Maradona clearly demonstrating great players are not necessarily intelligent.

That the Messi brigade not only worship him for his undoutbed footballing ability, but need to find ways to praise his non-footballing attributes just makes them seem like a cult than just fans.
 
Cal? said:
That footballing ability is a dreadful dreadful indication of IQ (or lack thereof), with the likes of Pele and Maradona clearly demonstrating great players are not necessarily intelligent.

That the Messi brigade not only worship him for his undoutbed footballing ability, but need to find ways to praise his non-footballing attributes just makes them seem like a cult than just fans.
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Obviously the IQ mentioned in these discussions is "football IQ", the intelligent play footballers can display on the pitch. What happens off the pitch is irrelevant.
 
Cal? said:
Obviously you didn’t read the post I was referring to.
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It’s not just that some of the other things being said in the thread is just nauseating.
 
Cal? said:
I don't normally pay much attention to what they say, but since you lots seem to think opinions of footballers and managers are so important, I just thought I'd share some who disagree with you.

Here's a (biased?) Argie saying they're equal:
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The footballing gods speak

 
Cal? said:
That footballing ability is a dreadful dreadful indication of IQ (or lack thereof), with the likes of Pele and Maradona clearly demonstrating great players are not necessarily intelligent.

That the Messi brigade not only worship him for his undoutbed footballing ability, but need to find ways to praise his non-footballing attributes just makes them seem like a cult than just fans.
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What make you think Pele is not intelligent? I assume you understand portuguese and would be easy to check that Pele is very smart, managed his business like a top executive, made majority of his money by himself after retiring from football since they were not overpayed in his time as player. Also Pele was a Minister of State and approved important laws for the Brazilian sport. I wonder why in the heck you think Pele is not intelligent.
 
The best players I’ve played with on the playground at school were often the kids that weren’t that good academically and weren’t very bright (although some would argue that IQ isn’t always synonymous with academic performance). However, on the pitch their decision making and ability on the ball was on another level to all the other kids. For most of these kids, sports was the main outlet for them and physical education was what they were best at so no, I definitely don’t think Messi’s footballing talent has any intimate relation to his IQ.
 
VanKenny said:
Average rating in the CL since 2009/2010:

Messi 8.46

CR7 8.11


Individually, according to whoscored.com which is a completely unbiased source unlike some of the folks in this thread, Messi has been a better CL player in the last 10 years. Messi has 4 CLs, CR7 has 5 but he is 3 years older.

In short, both have been great, both have great performances in KO stages, both have won it multiple times. Dont see this huge difference in the CL that some of you guys want to believe.

Id put them at equal so far on the CL and thats without considering what could happen in the future, with Messi likely being the center forward of Barcelona for at least the next half a decade.


Thats for the CL alone. In the league and the cup, Messi is just in a different league than CR7, AKA miles better.

Also if you want to save your time arguing shit like this, you can just, like... watch them play.
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Couldn't care less who people think is better between the two, but I absolutely love when people use a players average rating on whoscored to try and back up an argument :lol:.

According to whoscored's average rating system Fabian Schar has been the 14th best player in the league this season and Troy Deeney has been better than Son.

Marcos Alonso is also having a better season than Robertson apparently, as is Jose Holebas.

It's meaningless.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Couldn't care less who people think is better between the two, but I absolutely love when people use a players average rating on whoscored to try and back up an argument :lol:.

According to whoscored's average rating system Fabian Schar has been the 14th best player in the league this season and Troy Deeney has been better than Son.

Marcos Alonso is also having a better season than Robertson apparently, as is Jose Holebas.

It's meaningless.
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Messi fans use fecking onzo dors and make statements like casemiro,modric and kroos have been the best midfield in the world four four years (despite casemiro not being at the club for two of those years) to hype up messi. Who scored ratings are still relatively sane by their standards.

Not to mention a WC final is the same as a euro win, oh and that barca as a club wouldnt survive without messi.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Couldn't care less who people think is better between the two, but I absolutely love when people use a players average rating on whoscored to try and back up an argument :lol:.

According to whoscored's average rating system Fabian Schar has been the 14th best player in the league this season and Troy Deeney has been better than Son.

Marcos Alonso is also having a better season than Robertson apparently, as is Jose Holebas.

It's meaningless.
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The old "this stat isn't 100% perfect over a small sample of games therfore it's conpletely useless" argument.
Messi and Ronaldo have been the best rated players by a large margin over the past decade - is does have some merit. You won't find average players that have low scores each season and vice-versa.
 
MJJ said:
Messi fans use fecking onzo dors and make statements like casemiro,modric and kroos have been the best midfield in the world four four years (despite casemiro not being at the club for two of those years) to hype up messi. Who scored ratings are still relatively sane by their standards.

Not to mention a WC final is the same as a euro win, oh and that barca as a club wouldnt survive without messi.
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Ronaldo fans give him credit for a match that his only merit was to wave the towell in the bench. :lol:
 
Pocho said:
Can't believe this thread is still up, you Ronaldo fans are stubborn as f..ck. Ronaldo is a great goalscorer. Messi is the best player ever. There's nothing wrong with that. Are you trying to convince us that he is a better player than Maradona, Distefano, Pelé, Cruyff aswell?
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It’s crazy isn’t it, do these guys watch football? Messi is by far the best player in the world, and Ronaldo is closer to Hazard Salah Mbappe etc than he is to Messi at this current point in time.
 
Schneckerl said:
The old "this stat isn't 100% perfect over a small sample of games therfore it's conpletely useless" argument.
Messi and Ronaldo have been the best rated players by a large margin over the past decade - is does have some merit. You won't find average players that have low scores each season and vice-versa.
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It's not just about being 100% perfect. It's utterly nonsensical. There are loads of players rated highly who should clearly be nowhere near the top of the list, and plenty of players rated relatively low who are clearly having excellent seasons. Bernardo Silva has been one of the best players in the league this season yet is rated below Digne, for god sake. That's simply because whoscored ratings will ignore certain qualities/attributes that a player brings to the table.

It's completely useless because the stats that go in to defining 'average rating' are extremely dubious, hence why you get not very good players somehow being considered up there with the best in the league. Yes, players like Messi/Ronaldo will always be up there purely because of their ability to score a ridiculous amount of goals each season, but whoscored rating should never under any circumstances be used as some smoking gun, which it was in this case. People acting like 'this is the neutral assessment of the player' when really the whoscored average rating system is highly debatable and throws up plenty of dubious ratings.
 
Charles Miller said:
What make you think Pele is not intelligent? I assume you understand portuguese and would be easy to check that Pele is very smart, managed his business like a top executive, made majority of his money by himself after retiring from football since they were not overpayed in his time as player. Also Pele was a Minister of State and approved important laws for the Brazilian sport. I wonder why in the heck you think Pele is not intelligent.
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Fair enough, that was perhaps an ill-advised sweeping statement on Pele's intelligence. I was basing it on the many ludicrous predictions he's made over the years.
 
Righteous Steps said:
It’s crazy isn’t it, do these guys watch football? Messi is by far the best player in the world, and Ronaldo is closer to Hazard Salah Mbappe etc than he is to Messi at this current point in time.
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There we go again with the Messi brigade, absolute certainly in their own opinion, but feel the need to frequent this thread.

Why don't you stick to the circle jerk in the Messi thread, perhaps one of you can come up with a way to compare his swimming ability to Michael Phelps or his driving ability to Michael Schumacher. :rolleyes:
 
Cal? said:
The circle jerk that is the Messi thread is something to be admired. I rarely venture over there and you have people proclaiming Messi has very high IQ!? :wenger:

The player who most resembles Messi’s style is perhaps Maradona and we all know how he fared as a manager.

Edit: I’m not making any judgement on Messi’s IQ
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By IQ I just mean his understanding of the game in action, his decision making.

That won't make him a good manager at all, I don't know what one thing has to do with the other
 
Messi brigade: there is no argument that Messi is better than Ronaldo

Also Messi brigade: posts 10000 word essays from onzo dors to Craig Bellamys opinion justifying why Messi is better.
 
IFC 1905 said:
By IQ I just mean his understanding of the game in action, his decision making.

That won't make him a good manager at all, I don't know what one thing has to do with the other
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Well, considering no one is doubting Messi is one of the greatest players ever, isn't it a little pointless to point out his footballing understanding is great?
 
Cal? said:
Well, considering no one is doubting Messi is one of the greatest players ever, isn't it a little pointless to point out his footballing understanding is great?
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No, it's not. His decision making is levels above any other player considering that he's involved in both creation and finishing of plays like no other player is, and he's been doing it constantly in the last 12 years. The only player who comes close to that is Maradona and it's not even close.
Actually it's Messi's most underrated ability.

But again, outside the pitch both Messi and Maradona are not brightful guys don't get me wrong.
 
IFC 1905 said:
No, it's not. His decision making is levels above any other player considering that he's involved in both creation and finishing of plays like no other player is, and he's been doing it constantly in the last 12 years. The only player who comes close to that is Maradona and it's not even close.
Actually it's Messi's most underrated ability.

But again, outside the pitch both Messi and Maradona are not brightful guys don't get me wrong.
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Fair enough, I misunderstood your quote about his IQ. ;)
 
IFC 1905 said:
No, it's not. His decision making is levels above any other player considering that he's involved in both creation and finishing of plays like no other player is, and he's been doing it constantly in the last 12 years. The only player who comes close to that is Maradona and it's not even close.
Actually it's Messi's most underrated ability.

But again, outside the pitch both Messi and Maradona are not brightful guys don't get me wrong.
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Maradona is obviously thick as a brick (and Messi suffered under his coaching), but what has Messi done to suggest he’s below average intelligence off the pitch?

Not saying you’re necessarily wrong, I just don’t know what you are referring to.

As for Mr. ”She said no and stop several times”, yeah he’s probably dumb as shit.
 
ADJUDICATOR said:
What are the parameters? Who's the better player? Messi. Who's the more gifted player? Messi. Who's the more complete in their skill set? Messi. Who's better looking? Cristiano Ronaldo.
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Honestly this isn’t far off. Ronaldo’s X factor was always being the perfect poster boy. It’s why almost all Americans know who Ronaldo is but fewer know Messi. It’s why Trump prefers Ronaldo.

Up until only a few years ago, Messi was the antithesis to that. He was the slightly unkempt boy who simply didn’t care about looks.

But now that he finally got himself a haircut and some swagger (along with Ronaldo losing his muscly Madrid frame and looking more and more scrawny), that’s when Ronaldo has no ace in the hole left.

And now the debate is as good as over. Ronaldo’s image was what nearly kept him in the discussion. But now the pendulum has shifted massively in Messi’s favour and most people agree he is clearly better.
 
Saffron said:
Maradona is obviously thick as a brick (and Messi suffered under his coaching), but what has Messi done to suggest he’s below average intelligence off the pitch?

Not saying you’re necessarily wrong, I just don’t know what you are referring to.

As for Mr. ”She said no and stop several times”, yeah he’s probably dumb as shit.
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You just listen to him speaking and you can tell he didn't care about being educated, like many argentinian players. Although I think he speaks much better nowadays. But you can tell that football saved him from selling Avon products


But the main difference between them is that Messi doesn't talk about things he doesn't know, he knows that he's just a guy who kicks a ball better than other people that has ever lived but that's it. Maraclowna on the other hand thinks he can talk about politics, physics, and everything just because he's been a superb football player. And he criticizes everything as if kicking a ball gives you permission to do it.
 
IFC 1905 said:
You just listen to him speaking and you can tell he didn't care about being educated, like many argentinian players. Although I think he speaks much better nowadays. But you can tell that football saved him from selling Avon products


But the main difference between them is that Messi doesn't talk about things he doesn't know, he knows that he's just a guy who kicks a ball better than other people that has ever lived but that's it. Maraclowna on the other hand thinks he can talk about politics, physics, and everything just because he's been a superb football player. And he criticizes everything as if kicking a ball gives you permission to do it.
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Fair enough, thanks for answering. Although I do think knowing your limits like Messi apparently does (and Ronaldo apparently doesn’t) is a sign of intelligence in and of itself. Functional intelligence.
 
The simple fact is nobody views ronaldo as one of the greatest. The common view is who is the best between Maradona, Messi and Pele.

Anyone who knows the game would never suggest ronaldo as the greatest. He is a great goalscorer in fairness but doesnt have the skillset of the rest. Ronaldo fans are flat earthers. They bring up as much crap as possible to distract attention from the simple truth. Football people that know the game and how it is played would never entertain such crap.
 
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Paddy1983 said:
The simple fact is nobody views ronaldo as one of the greatest. The common view is who is the best between Maradona, Messi and Pele.

Anyone who knows the game would never suggest ronaldo as the greatest. He is a great goalscorer in fairness but doesnt have the skillset of the rest. Ronaldo fans are flat earthers. They bring up as much crap as possible to distract attention from the simple truth. Football people that know the game and how it is played would never entertain such crap.
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Barcelona + Messi fandom has to be one of the worst in history, so blind and arrogant.
 
2mufc0 said:
Barcelona + Messi fandom has to be one of the worst in history, so blind and arrogant.
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I mean I don't blame them, when ronaldo fans bring up stuff like onzo d'ors or saying that a world cup final is equal to a euro or in their arrogance claim that casemiro, modric and kroos were the best midfield four years in the world despite casemiro not being at the club what can you say? There is delusion and there is that.

Ronaldo fans really need to stop coming up with these bs points to argue their player is better. Next thing you know they will be posting quotes from craig bellamy of all people.
 
Messi, messi, messi.

That is all, I believe my analysis is solid and concrete proving beyond a doubt that messi is the best. Please carry on.
 
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