Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[MJJ]

No, at least four years as the best midfield in the world (and still not on the level of Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, who does even claim so?). No matter how much you repeat it, it certainly wasn't one year. In 2018 you could make a case for City but Kroos and Modric would look even better than the Silvas, de Bruyne and Gündogan if they were to be coached by Pep.

The fact that you think Alonso was better than Casemiro and Thiago better than Kroos says everything, really. I mean, have you seen how vulnerable Alonso was to pressing at Madrid? But that you just stated the duo Arturo Vidal and Thiago are better than Kroos and Luka Modric tops even that.

This is just ridiculous. Your perception is completely distorted. If Kroos or Modric had played for Barca you'd sure as hell have them in the same tier as Iniesta and Xavi. Of course they aren't but im sure you'd find a way to convince yourself of that in the same way you convinced yourself Ivan fecking Rakitic is better than Kroos.

Jesus, the things I'm discussing with you. This is just unreal.

Four years, so we begin with:-

2013-2014- Madrid first choice midfield was Di maria, Khedira/Alonso and Modric. Kroos was not even signed this year.
2014-2015-Casemiro was sent out on loan, Modric wasn't a starter making only 25 appearances and the best midfield in the world was the Juve diamond.
2015-2016- First year the trio really started playing together. I would still have a 31 year old iniesta ahead of the trio and pogba/veratti are the same level as kroos who hadn't broken out yet.
2016-2017- The year they were undisputed best midfield in the world, reflected in the UEFA votes too.
2017-2018- Modric and KDB are the two stand out midfielders with kroos/casemiro still turning it up occasionally but not much between the latter two and somebody like veratti.

So which four years is this?

 

[langster]

This thread is comedy gold..... @Rado_N I reckon we could make a fortune out of Messi/Ronaldo half and half scarves

 

[MJJ]

This thread is comedy gold..... @Rado_N I reckon we could make a fortune out of Messi/Ronaldo half and half scarves

You will get killed by the ultras on both sides.

 

[Zehner]

If in the 15 games they had completely dominated the best teams in the word rather than get completely overrun by Wolfsburg and not dominate ONE single match all season... then yeah.

I’m sorry that logic was too difficult for you to understand and translate it into other scenarios.

Funny, since Madrid hat 60% possession in that game. Sounds quite dominant to me. So yes, they dominated teams but not in the same way Barca did. And you know what? That's not because of the CM but because the decision making by the attackers in the final third and the better counter pressing. Barca attackers were instructed to prioritize retaining possession while Madrid often tried to cross the ball or go into 1 v 1s. That's not the midfield's fault. As mentioned, Kroos had 94+% pass succession rate, Xavi would be proud of such a number. He's your number one metronome passer as people like to call it in the last 5 years. You can't blame him if the attackers don't have/are instructed to not have the patience of prime Barca or City.

Madrid in the last 5 years had 3 or arguably at times even 4 midfielders that would be the first choice at Barcelona. Kroos, Modric, Isco and even James would all have started before Rakitic or Iniesta after turning 32 (on the few occasions he was fully fit, that is).

 

[Peyroteo]

The fact we had them here for two years pretending the midfield was the reason Madrid were as successful as they were and then they go on to have their worst season in more than 20 years after Ronaldo leaves is so hilariously perfect it’s unreal.

Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta without Messi lead Spain to 2 Euros and 1 World Cup in 4 years... Casemiro-Kroos-Modric without Ronaldo lead Madrid to their worst season of the past 10 years.

 

[Peyroteo]

Funny, since Madrid hat 60% possession in that game. Sounds quite dominant to me. So yes, they dominated teams but not in the same way Barca did. And you know what? That's not because of the CM but because the decision making by the attackers in the final third and the better counter pressing. Barca attackers were instructed to prioritize retaining possession while Madrid often tried to cross the ball or go into 1 v 1s. That's not the midfield's fault. As mentioned, Kroos had 94+% pass succession rate, Xavi would be proud of such a number. He's your number one metronome passer as people like to call it in the last 5 years. You can't blame him if the attackers don't have/are instructed to not have the patience of prime Barca or City.

Madrid in the last 5 years had 3 or arguably at times even 4 midfielders that would be the first choice at Barcelona. Kroos, Modric, Isco and even James would all have started before Rakitic or Iniesta after turning 32 (on the few occasions he was fully fit, that is).

In 2016/17 they did dominate, in 2015/16 they absolutely did not.

Barcelona have 6 different midfielders now that would start for Juventus. 7 next year after De Jong comes in... let’s see all the Champions Leagues coming in to the Camp Nou then.

 

[Rado_N]

This thread is comedy gold..... @Rado_N I reckon we could make a fortune out of Messi/Ronaldo half and half scarves

Damn you for tagging me in this hell hole.

 

[Zehner]

In 2016/17 they did dominate, in 2015/16 they absolutely did not.

Barcelona have 6 different midfielders now that would start for Juventus. 7 next year after De Jong comes in... let’s see all the Champions Leagues coming in to the Camp Nou then.

Yes, probably, if you count Coutinho. Not sure what's your point though.

 

[GatoLoco]

I don't know why some people present some debates using the all or nothing logic. Like "midfields dominate or are completely dominated", "teams are fantastic or shit" etc. There is no middle term, there is not analysis.

Well, let me tell you that things don't work like that. They are way more complicated.

Before speaking about the 2016 CL final, I will first say that Atletico has been a TERRIFIC team in the past and it was a complete nightmare to play against them. It was extremely hard to control the game vs them for any team. They are probably the best catenaccio team of the modern era, -an approach that seemed completely forgotten-, extremely physical and organized but also with a lot of quality for this kind of teams. In 2016 they had enough weapons to asphyxiate Barcelona and give enough problems to Bayern, and even if Bayern (another colossus) were the better team in those two legs overall, it was never a case of one side being much superior to the other.

The first 90 minutes of the 2016 final were bipolar ones, with Real Madrid playing much better and having great chances in the first half and Atletico reversing things in the second half.

Simeone knew how to terrorize Danilo using the supersub Carrasco on the left after Carvajal left the pitch injured and were physically imposing. Gabi had an extraordinary game. Real Madrid had a lot of problems with injuries which is why Zidane made the last change in the 78th minute.

Before extra time Madrid had 3 players who could barely move (Modric, Bale and Ronaldo), and they seemed completely dead.

In extra time Real Madrid miraculously resurrected. Isco used his quality alongside Lucas Vazquez and Danilo's fresh legs. Bale had a starring role too. Real Madrid had 11 shots to Atletico's 3 during this time and showed incredible mental strength during the last 30 minutes when everything looked finished for them before extra time.

During the penalties shoot-outs Oblak was very disappointing.

This is the reality of that game. As you see, it's complicated. It doesn't admit an easy analysis.

 

[Ishdalar]

The fact we had them here for two years pretending the midfield was the reason Madrid were as successful as they were and then they go on to have their worst season in more than 20 years after Ronaldo leaves is so hilariously perfect it’s unreal.

Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta without Messi lead Spain to 2 Euros and 1 World Cup in 4 years... Casemiro-Kroos-Modric without Ronaldo lead Madrid to their worst season of the past 10 years.

I'd like to remember you that the two seasons before Guardiola, Xavi-Iniesta won nil, had a fiasco vs Liverpool and finished 18 points behind Real Madrid. It's not that binary.

And again, just because a trio happens to be from the same nationality it doesn't mean they're better at club level too, if Iniesta was Jamaican, Xavi Croatian and Busquets from Belgium, they'd be the same players and would win 0 international titles, your reasoning is just throwing arguments to see which ones stick.

 

[MJJ]

I'd like to remember you that the two seasons before Guardiola, Xavi-Iniesta won nil, had a fiasco vs Liverpool and finished 18 points behind Real Madrid. It's not that binary.

And again, just because a trio happens to be from the same nationality it doesn't mean they're better at club level too, if Iniesta was Jamaican, Xavi Croatian and Busquets from Belgium, they'd be the same players and would win 0 international titles, your reasoning is just throwing arguments to see which ones stick.

So we ignoring the euros then?

 

[Gehrman]

The fact we had them here for two years pretending the midfield was the reason Madrid were as successful as they were and then they go on to have their worst season in more than 20 years after Ronaldo leaves is so hilariously perfect it’s unreal.

Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta without Messi lead Spain to 2 Euros and 1 World Cup in 4 years... Casemiro-Kroos-Modric without Ronaldo lead Madrid to their worst season of the past 10 years.

Maybe because they did not bring in an replacement for Ronaldo?

 

[kouroux]

Maybe because they did not bring in an replacement for Ronaldo?

Zidane not being there is weirdly completely omitted by all the Ronaldo fanbois.

 

[MJJ]

Zidane not being there is weirdly completely omitted by all the Ronaldo fanbois.

I mean the best midfield in the world survives a manager change and bale instead of Ronaldo see Spain.

 

[Ishdalar]

So we ignoring the euros then?

In a thread where people ignore that Real Madrid had a bunch of players in the best 11's of the 2010, 2014 and 2018 world cups, key players in three of the winning teams and a finalist I'd say ignoring an Euro after 2 seasons of no titles at club level is a minor offense.

 

[MJJ]

In a thread where people ignore that Real Madrid had a bunch of players in the best 11's of the 2010, 2014 and 2018 world cups, key players in three of the winning teams and a finalist I'd say ignoring an Euro after 2 seasons of no titles at club level is a minor offense.

Either you know nothing about spain or barcelona before 2009 or you are deliberately agenda posting. Either way, both of those factor means that your point is bs.

 

[Tostao_80]

Not just Cal, add Rito and Prometheus, Theyre quickly running out of arguments. Now theyre proclaiming Modric and Kroos as no better than Dier and Henderson. After saying Lampard was better than Zidane because of his "stats", i didnt think they could sink any lower.

 

[mdvmia]

The fact we had them here for two years pretending the midfield was the reason Madrid were as successful as they were and then they go on to have their worst season in more than 20 years after Ronaldo leaves is so hilariously perfect it’s unreal.

Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta without Messi lead Spain to 2 Euros and 1 World Cup in 4 years... Casemiro-Kroos-Modric without Ronaldo lead Madrid to their worst season of the past 10 years.

The fact we had them here for two years pretending the midfield was the reason Madrid were as successful as they were and then they go on to have their worst season in more than 20 years after Ronaldo leaves is so hilariously perfect it’s unreal.

Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta without Messi lead Spain to 2 Euros and 1 World Cup in 4 years... Casemiro-Kroos-Modric without Ronaldo lead Madrid to their worst season of the past 10 years.

Compared to 17/18 with Ronaldo, Madrid this season have performed similarly in La Liga, better in the Copa del Dey, similarly in the Club World Cup, and better in the Champions League group stages.

The only part they've performed worse in are the seven Champions League knockout matches, of which Ronaldo only turned up for 3 last season.

And this is despite the fact that they replaced Ronaldo with literally nobody and many of their key players are aging and slowly declining. If you took Ronaldo out of their 14-18 squad when players like Marcelo, Modric, Kroos, and Ramos were in their prime and replaced him with a reasonably decent attacker, the drop off would be even less.

 

[Daysleeper]

In a thread where people ignore that Real Madrid had a bunch of players in the best 11's of the 2010, 2014 and 2018 world cups, key players in three of the winning teams and a finalist I'd say ignoring an Euro after 2 seasons of no titles at club level is a minor offense.

Spot on

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Everyone loses their mind just because messi is able to dribble past a whole betis or getafe defence.

We ask - why does he hardly pull of something so consistently at the only other team he plays for at Argentina? Surely he could do it against venezuela?

Fact is that Ronaldo has played with some amazing players - some would say on par with the Barcelona legends - but the truth is he has played with different midfielders and players holding different abilities at United, Madrid, Juventus and at Portugal.

All messi is, is the most technically gifted player ever and no one should argue that he is either the first or second best player of all time due to the trophies won and his big game performances for Barcelona.

However; its only been for Barcelona & his most beautiful goals consistenly come against some of the weakest teams I see in a league. Not all by any means as he scores great goals against bigger teams too but these goals against weak teams skew peoples opinion of him.

Ronaldo scores the same goals he scored at United agaisnt chelsea, in spain, in italy, at portugal and shows a level of consistency across all of them - hence why he may not be the most beautiful player to watch but is the most clinical player and wins anything put up against him. Ronaldo wins football. Messi makes football beautiful. Who is better is dependant on the eyes ie whether you marry a girl mainly for their looks (messi) or for their ability to consistently look after you at no other level (ronaldo)

 

[Daysleeper]

Everyone loses their mind just because messi is able to dribble past a whole betis or getafe defence.

We ask - why does he hardly pull of something so consistently at the only other team he plays for at Argentina? Surely he could do it against venezuela?

Fact is that Ronaldo has played with some amazing players - some would say on par with the Barcelona legends - but the truth is he has played with different midfielders and players holding different abilities at United, Madrid, Juventus and at Portugal.

All messi is, is the most technically gifted player ever and no one should argue that he is either the first or second best player of all time due to the trophies won and his big game performances for Barcelona.

However; its only been for Barcelona & his most beautiful goals consistenly come against some of the weakest teams I see in a league. Not all by any means as he scores great goals against bigger teams too but these goals against weak teams skew peoples opinion of him.

Ronaldo scores the same goals he scored at United agaisnt chelsea, in spain, in italy, at portugal and shows a level of consistency across all of them - hence why he may not be the most beautiful player to watch but is the most clinical player and wins anything put up against him. Ronaldo wins football. Messi makes football beautiful. Who is better is dependant on the eyes ie whether you marry a girl mainly for their looks (messi) or for their ability to consistently look after you at no other level (ronaldo)

Absolute BS


Messi has scored jaw dropping goals against Real Madrid, Bayern, most goals against the top 6 in England, fantastic goals against Juventus you name it

Saying Messi is a flat track bully is completely false.

Did you even watch the game today? Messi was comfortably the best player on Argentina. They were playing 9 other players who he has never played with.

Argentina barely had a consistent starting XI and when they did they reached four finals

Messi’s most Memorable goals
Have come against united and Bayern in terms to how iconic they were.

Ronaldo’s had a bicycle kick against Juventus

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Absolute BS


Messi has scored jaw dropping goals against Real Madrid, Bayern, most goals against the top 6 in England, fantastic goals against Juventus you name it

Saying Messi is a flat track bully is completely false.

Did you even watch the game today? Messi was comfortably the best player on Argentina. They were playing 9 other players who he has never played with.

Argentina barely had a consistent starting XI and when they did they reached four finals

Messo’s most Memorable goals
Have come against united and Bayern in terms to how iconic they were.

Ronaldo’s had a bicycle kick against Juventus

I said he did in the post that he does score great goals against big teams, but him just rinsing betis and getafe dry for another season is not that wonderful to me anymore.

Again- we are talking about the beauty of his goals than his ability to win a match soleley. For me Ronaldo is better at winning a match and has done it in every team he plays to win cups; whilst Messi only does it for Barcelona.

 

[Daysleeper]

I said he did in the post that he does score great goals against big teams, but him just rinsing betis and getafe dry for another season is not that wonderful to me anymore.

Again- we are talking about the beauty of his goals than his ability to win a match soleley. For me Ronaldo is better at winning a match and has done it in every team he plays to win cups; whilst Messi only does it for Barcelona.

Sure, by how “wonderful” are Ronaldo’s goals?

It’s mostly headers and he’s a god at them but outside of the Juventus bicycle kick and a free kick against the worst Spain side of the last 15 years if your metric is wonder goals then while Ronaldo has been better in UCL he rarely scores anything jaw dropping.

And I don’t care for jaw dropping goals or not, it’s not a slight against Ronaldo, but if that’s the measure you’re going by then Ronaldo rarerly has “wonderful” goals against the elite either

 

[Daysleeper]

I said he did in the post that he does score great goals against big teams, but him just rinsing betis and getafe dry for another season is not that wonderful to me anymore.

Again- we are talking about the beauty of his goals than his ability to win a match soleley. For me Ronaldo is better at winning a match and has done it in every team he plays to win cups; whilst Messi only does it for Barcelona.

Ronaldo barely played in the final of the Euros

The difference between Ronaldo and Messi if Messi is a passenger in the finals his teams always lose, when Ronaldo is a passenger he’s had Bale, Ramos, or Eder bring the trophy home

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Sure, by how “wonderful” are Ronaldo’s goals?

It’s mostly headers and he’s a god at them but outside of the Juventus bicycle kick and a free kick against the worst Spain side of the last 15 years if your metric is wonder goals then while Ronaldo has been better in UCL he rarely scores anything jaw dropping.

And I don’t care for jaw dropping goals or not, it’s not a slight against Ronaldo, but if that’s the measure you’re going by then Ronaldo rarerly has “wonderful” goals against the elite either

That's what I'm saying.

Messi is more jaw dropping than Ronaldo & scores better goals so people think he is a better player for purely being more technical than Ronaldo.

Ronaldo for me is better because he wins games no matter who he plays against & who he plays for.

As I always said - if I had a son I'd ask him to be like Ronaldo more than Messi. Ronaldo is hard work in a bottle that tests himself and comes out on top. Messi is more the right height, technical ability & growth hormone injection mixed in a bottle. No offence.

People ultimately rate Messi due to the wonder goals he scored & the things he won for Barcelona alongside a legendary team where he was the focal point. If he isn't 70% of himself in Argentina - what's me to say that me spending 500m in another league to get him isn't even a minute gamble?

The Ronaldo prefers prefer him because that element of gamble is gone - because he has proved himself at every competitive league and national levels. I'd spend 500m on peak Ronaldo to win a match and a trophy. I'd spend 500m on Messi more to be wondered by his goals.

 

[Daysleeper]

That's what I'm saying.

Messi is more jaw dropping than Ronaldo & scores better goals so people think he is a better player for purely being more technical than Ronaldo.

Ronaldo for me is better because he wins games no matter who he plays against & who he plays for.

As I always said - if I had a son I'd ask him to be like Ronaldo more than Messi. Ronaldo is hard work in a bottle that tests himself and comes out on top. Messi is more the right height, technical ability & growth hormone injection mixed in a bottle. No offence.

People ultimately rate Messi due to the wonder goals he scored & the things he won for Barcelona alongside a legendary team where he was the focal point. If he isn't 70% of himself in Argentina - what's me to say that me spending 500m in another league to get him isn't even a minute gamble?

The Ronaldo prefers prefer him because that element of gamble is gone - because he has proved himself at every competitive league and national levels. I'd spend 500m on peak Ronaldo to win a match and a trophy. I'd spend 500m on Messi more to be wondered by his goals.

Messi has gone to 4 finals on the international level, Ronaldo just 2 even though I agree they’ve had
More copas than Euros Lately

Ronaldo is getting credit for Eder scoring a goal in the final.

Had Higuain scored in the final does mean Messi has “done it” on the international level?

Ronaldo would’ve suffered just the name with Argentina, there is no service on those squads at all. No midfield whatsoever. Messi has the pick up the ball from a deeper position just to set everyone up.

You underestimate how flawed those Argentina teams are while Portugal and Real Madrid can still finish the job in the finals when Ronaldo isn’t there or is playing poorly.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Messi has gone to 4 finals on the international level, Ronaldo just 2 even though I agree they’ve had
More copas than Euros Lately

Ronaldo is getting credit for Eder scoring a goal in the final.

Had Higuain scored in the final does mean Messi has “done it” on the international level?

Ronaldo would’ve suffered just the name with Argentina, there is no service on those squads at all. No midfield whatsoever. Messi has the pick up the ball from a deeper position just to set everyone up.

You underestimate how flawed those Argentina teams are while Portugal and Real Madrid can still finish the job in the finals when Ronaldo isn’t there or is playing poorly.

Absolutely.

 

[kouroux]

I mean the best midfield in the world survives a manager change and bale instead of Ronaldo see Spain.

The point is choosing what to emphasize as important says a lot. Ronaldo is a big piece missing but not mentioning Zidane just once tells me the person is highly likely to be too focused on Ronaldo

 

[Hemant]

Messi has gone to 4 finals on the international level, Ronaldo just 2 even though I agree they’ve had
More copas than Euros Lately

Ronaldo is getting credit for Eder scoring a goal in the final.

Had Higuain scored in the final does mean Messi has “done it” on the international level?

Ronaldo would’ve suffered just the name with Argentina, there is no service on those squads at all. No midfield whatsoever. Messi has the pick up the ball from a deeper position just to set everyone up.

You underestimate how flawed those Argentina teams are while Portugal and Real Madrid can still finish the job in the finals when Ronaldo isn’t there or is playing poorly.

Why don’t you remind us that same higuain scored in knockout game to get Messi into final in first place .

If Messi is so good ..surely I mean surely he scores in 1 out of 4 finals at least ?

Simply put , Messi chokes under pressure and Ronaldo thrives onto it

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Messi has gone to 4 finals on the international level, Ronaldo just 2 even though I agree they’ve had
More copas than Euros Lately

Ronaldo is getting credit for Eder scoring a goal in the final.

Had Higuain scored in the final does mean Messi has “done it” on the international level?

Ronaldo would’ve suffered just the name with Argentina, there is no service on those squads at all. No midfield whatsoever. Messi has the pick up the ball from a deeper position just to set everyone up.

You underestimate how flawed those Argentina teams are while Portugal and Real Madrid can still finish the job in the finals when Ronaldo isn’t there or is playing poorly.

Your excuses are so hilarious. What do you want everyone to say? Eder has a euro cup and no other player of Portugal? Pathetic really. Of course you will ignore the important goals he scored on their way to the final. He should get no credit at all!

You claimed earlier that Messi had the best CL of the decade in 2015. Why is he getting the credit for Neymar and Suarez's work? Come back with another lame explanation for that.

And regarding the Higuain thing, Messi would have been stamped as the GOAT forever by their fans if Higuain had scored.

 

[Daysleeper]

Your excuses are so hilarious. What do you want everyone to say? Eder has a euro cup and no other player of Portugal? Pathetic really. Of course you will ignore the important goals he scored on their way to the final. He should get no credit at all!

You claimed earlier that Messi had the best CL of the decade in 2015. Why is he getting the credit for Neymar and Suarez's work? Come back with another lame explanation for that.

Because everyone and their mother would agree Messi was the best and most important player for that Barca squad.

I know you think everything with Ronaldo is a one man show but again, when he doesn’t show up how teammates still can get the job done in a final.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Because everyone and their mother would agree Messi was the best and most important player for that Barca squad.

I know you think everything with Ronaldo is a one man show but again, when he doesn’t show up how teammates still can get the job done in a final.

Of course. Portugal magically landed up in a final didn't they?

 

[Daysleeper]

Why don’t you remind us that same higuain scored in knockout game to get Messi into final in first place .

If Messi is so good ..surely I mean surely he scores in 1 out of 4 finals at least ?

Simply put , Messi chokes under pressure and Ronaldo thrives onto it

And how many NT finals did Ronaldo score in?

And a majority of the time Ronaldo faced Messi in CL he choked.

He was a ghost in 2014, 2016 and 2018 CL finals. But sure, he thrives under pressure.

Messi was running circles around him in the Clasico’s for years

 

[Daysleeper]

Of course. Portugal magically landed up in a final didn't they?

They literally won ONE match in regulation against an injured Wales team. They had one of the easiest brackets on euro history

Pepe was just as immense as Ronaldo. Even Ronaldo said Pepe was the player of the tournament

Keep trying though

 

[ayushreddevil9]

They literally won ONE match in regulation against an injured Wales team. They had one of the easiest brackets on euro history

Pepe was just as immense as Ronaldo. Even Ronaldo said Pepe was the player of the tournament

Keep trying though

'Injured wales' team
I can only laugh at the lame excuses you keep on throwing. You are too good at them apparently.

They defeated the hosts in the final. Now you will claim France were too easy to beat and how they are so weak compared to the Chile side which Argentina lost to twice with your goat missing a vital 'easy to score' penalty?

 

[Daysleeper]

'Injured wales' team
I can only laugh at the lame excuses you keep on throwing. You are too good at them apparently.

They defeated the hosts in the final. Now you will claim France were too easy to beat and how they are so weak compared to the Chile side which Argentina lost to twice with your goat missing a vital 'easy to score' penalty?

Hahahaha

That same Chile team that beat Portugal in penalties too last time they played! Wake up

You keep failing.

And Ronaldo missed a “vital easy to score penalty” as well that nearly crashed Portugal out of the group stage.

And if anything I’m giving credit to how good that supporting cast was for Portugal. To shut out France who were heavy favorites is no easy feat. Pepe and co were amazing in that tournament. Ronaldo was good leading upto it, but as stated many times before, Ronaldo’s teammates always showed up in the Finals when he didn’t.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Hahahaha

That same Chile team that beat Portugal in penalties too last time they played! Wake up

You keep failing.

And Ronaldo missed a “vital easy to score penalty” as well that nearly crashed Portugal out of the group stage.

And if anything I’m giving credit to how good that supporting cast was for Portugal. To shut out France who were heavy favorites is no easy feat. Pepe and co were amazing in that tournament. Ronaldo was good leading upto it, but as stated many times before, Ronaldo’s teammates always showed up in the Finals when he didn’t.

What's the logic behind that? Your goat missed a penalty in a game which could have helped Argentina lift a trophy whereas you compare that with a glorified friendly!

Pepe and co were amazing. Why don't you simply name each and every Portugal player who is not named Ronaldo as outstanding? We get it, you can't credit him regardless of what he does.

Its you who need to wake up not me and please bother to post if there's one ounce of sense and logic behind them.

Its plain stupidity, disregarding EVERYTHING Ronaldo does just because his teammates could also play football.

At least he led his teams to the finals unlike your goat who performed 'magically' in every other game(Roma, Atletico x2, Juve, Chile x2, Germany etc) but still gets knocked out somehow.

As @Prometheus rightly said in another post - barca fans are really insecure when it comes to this debate and are a bunch impossible to reason with. They can't really talk sense.

Peace.

 

[Daysleeper]

What's the logic behind that? Your goat missed a penalty in a game which could have helped Argentina lift a trophy whereas you compare that with a glorified friendly!

Pepe and co were amazing. Why don't you simply name each and every Portugal player who is not named Ronaldo as outstanding? We get it, you can't credit him regardless of what he does.

Its you who need to wake up not me and please bother to post if there's one ounce of sense and logic behind them.

Its plain stupidity, disregarding EVERYTHING Ronaldo does just because his teammates could also play football.

At least he led his teams to the finals unlike your goat who performed 'magically' in every other game(Roma, Atletico x2, Juve, Chile x2, Germany etc) but still gets knocked out somehow.

As @Prometheus rightly said in another post - barca fans are really insecure when it comes to this debate and are a bunch impossible to reason with. They can't really talk sense.

Peace.

How ridiculous are you?

Messi has won 4 CL, but sure, he can't lead his team to anything. Ronaldo didn't evne score after the quarter finals last year and still got to walk away with a CL


And do you have reading comprehension issues?! I have said MULTIPLE times Ronaldo was instrumental in getting them to the Final. But the whole talk started about how when Ronaldo fails to do anything in a final, his teammates can step up in his place. Those are facts.

Ronaldo has been a ghost in many many finals, but he's had the good fortune of having teammates who were able to finish the job. I know you're scarred by Messi thrashing your team in the UCL Finals multiple times and maybe you only started watching football last year since you have no clue about Messi or his accomplishments since you act like only the last 4 years matter.

You reek of insecurity as you constantly trash Messi when I only brought up Ronaldo's teammates who stepped up when he couldn't.

Watch more football, I know you have a lot to catch up on, it's all good. Football didn't begin in 2016.

 

[Hemant]

And how many NT finals did Ronaldo score in?

And a majority of the time Ronaldo faced Messi in CL he choked.

He was a ghost in 2014, 2016 and 2018 CL finals. But sure, he thrives under pressure.

Messi was running circles around him in the Clasico’s for years

You are missing the Point ..stop blaming higuain and others for fecks sake I mean going forward ..it only strengthenes the point that he can only deliver for Barcelona that too when not under pressure and in favourable matchups .

I can’t imagine Messi guiding Barca past Atletico if they are 2-0 down in first leg ..I can imagine Ronaldo doing that and that’s the difference for me .

It’s just not about how beautiful goals you score or how many dribbles you do ...its definitely nice to have that but other facets are equally important and Ronaldo slightly edges that for me .

 

[Daysleeper]

You are missing the Point ..stop blaming higuain and others for fecks sake I mean going forward ..it only strengthenes the point that he can only deliver for Barcelona that too when not under pressure and in favourable matchups .

I can’t imagine Messi guiding Barca past Atletico if they are 2-0 down in first leg ..I can imagine Ronaldo doing that and that’s the difference for me .

It’s just not about how beautiful goals you score or how many dribbles you do ...its definitely nice to have that but other facets are equally important and Ronaldo slightly edges that for me .

Messi has scored against Atletico plenty of times, it's not about blaming Higuain, it's about the fact that if Messi has a mediocre team, no one else steps up, when Ronaldo has a mediocre game in the finals another teammate is always their to pick up the slack.

Messi has been destroying Ronaldo's teams for years, I know you think only UCL matters and that maybe it started in 2016 but Messi has been doing it on the big stage for years. He's been underwhelming in the recent knockout stages but those same Atletico teams that stifled Barca in 2014 and 2016 also stifled Ronaldo who was a complete non factor in those matchups. Ramos stole the show in those matches.

This year's Atletico is one of the worst teams they've had in the last 5 years. The hatrick at home against them was great, but considering Messi was part of one of the biggest comebacks in UCL history and has also come back from a losing aggregate score (this year against Lyon, last year against Chelsea, AC Milan, PSG) to turn the tie around.