Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Hemant]

Well that’s your opinion .

Thats the issue with their argument. If it were down to their facts and figures, someone like Gerd Muller would be a top 3 of all time candidate. Im surprised the likes of Cal and Peyroteo havent argued that. I mean, who cares about watching him nd realising that the likes of Cruyff and Diego were far superior? Another example of this is Iniesta. His stats and figures have been far eclipsed by many an attacking midfielder (Lampard comes to mind). Will anyone in their right mind claim that Lampard was better/ greater after watching the two play. Facts and figures will only get you so far. When youre competing for GOATdom, you have to look beyond that. Genius, magic, otherwordly ability, the ability to leave watchers in absolute awe (ask Betis fans at the weekend. When has Cristiano received that? This is ultimately why the greatest players of all time are usually named as Pele, Diego, Cruyff et al. They made the game look so simple. Cristiano is a tryer, he doesn't have that effect, and he never will.

Well that’s your opinion and you conveniently left out leadership , inspiring team mates /making them better ...not to mention creating something out of nothing and winning games against all odds



Ronaldo is so complete ..both footed , monster in air , was showboating ( just to please many people like you ) in early days , great speed , athleticism , excellent finisher , make space for himself , immune to big game pressure .

The way people disrespect Ronaldo surprises me . I mean Messi May be better ( I don’t personally think ) but to make an effort to actually put down Ronaldo talks lot about how great he is rather than what those people want to prove/force onto others .

It’s very close and am ok with calling either of them Best ever ...that’s how good they both have been for the years now .

 

[Schneckerl]

Ronaldo had such a good year in 2008 that it took four years for the world to forget his performance and stop perceiving him as underperforming. Its the only reason why messi won balon dors.

Absolutely rubbish. Even the biggest Ronaldo fanboys on the planet can't possibly be so delusional to argue that Messi didn't deserve the BD in 2011.

 

[Prometheus]

Thats the issue with their argument. If it were down to their facts and figures, someone like Gerd Muller would be a top 3 of all time candidate. Im surprised the likes of Cal and Peyroteo havent argued that. I mean, who cares about watching him nd realising that the likes of Cruyff and Diego were far superior? Another example of this is Iniesta. His stats and figures have been far eclipsed by many an attacking midfielder (Lampard comes to mind). Will anyone in their right mind claim that Lampard was better/ greater after watching the two play. Facts and figures will only get you so far. When youre competing for GOATdom, you have to look beyond that. Genius, magic, otherwordly ability, the ability to leave watchers in absolute awe (ask Betis fans at the weekend. When has Cristiano received that? This is ultimately why the greatest players of all time are usually named as Pele, Diego, Cruyff et al. They made the game look so simple. Cristiano is a tryer, he doesn't have that effect, and he never will.

I don't think making that claim about Lampard/Iniesta would make anyone insane. But that's for another thread. Also, yes, Cristiano received that at Juventus at Champions League QF - so in fact, he received at a bigger stage and from a greater opponent.

 

[MJJ]

Absolutely rubbish. Even the biggest Ronaldo fanboys on the planet can't possibly be so delusional to argue that Messi didn't deserve the BD in 2011.

Might help reading the post I am mocking.

 

[Schneckerl]

This based on the fact the football world has voted Ronaldo the better player in 7 out of the last 12 years?

I'm sure you rank Gerrard and Lampard over Scholes then based on their landslide victory in Balon D'Or votes recieved over their careers.

 

[Cal?]

I'm sure you rank Gerrard and Lampard over Scholes then based on their landslide victory in Balon D'Or votes recieved over their careers.

What are you on about? Whilst they careers overlapped for a while, their respective peaks were very much in different times.

2005 Gerrard and Lampard were better than Scholes.

 

[Prometheus]

I'm sure you rank Gerrard and Lampard over Scholes then based on their landslide victory in Balon D'Or votes recieved over their careers.

If you're talking about when they finished second and third to Ronaldinho, they were both better than Scholes that year. You'll have to be more specific about the years where they were ranked undeservedly higher.

 

[zkap]

Well that’s your opinion and you conveniently left out leadership , inspiring team mates /making them better ...not to mention creating something out of nothing and winning games against all odds

Ronaldo is so complete ..both footed , monster in air , was showboating ( just to please many people like you ) in early days , great speed , athleticism , excellent finisher , make space for himself , immune to big game pressure .

The way people disrespect Ronaldo surprises me . I mean Messi May be better ( I don’t personally think ) but to make an effort to actually put down Ronaldo talks lot about how great he is rather than what those people want to prove/force onto others .

It’s very close and am ok with calling either of them Best ever ...that’s how good they both have been for the years now .

Leadership, making his team better, creating something out of nothing, big game performances... In my opinion, this applies more to Messi than Ronaldo. You may see it as putting him down, I don't. Could it perhaps be that he is due for some criticism because he isn't perfect? What seems more likely to you, that Ronaldo has some flaws that he can be criticized for, or that he's perfect and thus exempt from criticism?

I won't dive too much into this, let's just take the first quality you mentioned, leadership. I don't like to see a selfish player who is obsessed with his output to such an extent that he isn't happy when a team-mate scores in his place. I would feel like this towards any player, and in this case it happens to be Ronaldo. How was he being a leader when he absolutely lost it in 2017 when Messi scored the winner at the Bernabeu? Why wasn't he encouraging his team-mates then, lifting them up and whatnot? How was Ronaldo being a leader when he focused on himself and brought up the topic of leaving Madrid in his first interview after the Champions League final while his team was celebrating the title on the pitch? In my opinion, Ronaldo is not a leader, he is too self-centered for that. People see him clapping his hands at his team-mates and shouting something and this is immediately a sign that he's a leader. In my opinion, a leader takes the first penalty in a Champions League final, not the last. Messi carries Barcelona on his shoulders all the time and to me that is what being a leader is, without the bells and whistles of shouting and clapping and whatever. To me, a leader gives up a penalty for his team-mate who is having a goal drought.

You may think there's an effort being made to put Ronaldo down, but I don't see it. Will you tell me I made some of this up?

 

[Cal?]

Leadership, making his team better, creating something out of nothing, big game performances... In my opinion, this applies more to Messi than Ronaldo. You may see it as putting him down, I don't. Could it perhaps be that he is due for some criticism because he isn't perfect? What seems more likely to you, that Ronaldo has some flaws that he can be criticized for, or that he's perfect and thus exempt from criticism?

I won't dive too much into this, let's just take the first quality you mentioned, leadership. I don't like to see a selfish player who is obsessed with his output to such an extent that he isn't happy when a team-mate scores in his place. I would feel like this towards any player, and in this case it happens to be Ronaldo. How was he being a leader when he absolutely lost it in 2017 when Messi scored the winner at the Bernabeu? Why wasn't he encouraging his team-mates then, lifting them up and whatnot? How was Ronaldo being a leader when he focused on himself and brought up the topic of leaving Madrid in his first interview after the Champions League final while his team was celebrating the title on the pitch? In my opinion, Ronaldo is not a leader, he is too self-centered for that. People see him clapping his hands at his team-mates and shouting something and this is immediately a sign that he's a leader. In my opinion, a leader takes the first penalty in a Champions League final, not the last. Messi carries Barcelona on his shoulders all the time and to me that is what being a leader is, without the bells and whistles of shouting and clapping and whatever. To me, a leader gives up a penalty for his team-mate who is having a goal drought.

You may think there's an effort being made to put Ronaldo down, but I don't see it. Will you tell me I made some of this up?

The end of the season is hardly the time you need leadership. They have already won what they wanted.

That certainly helps more than Messi's head dropping whenever things don't go his way. No?

Perhaps the manager might have something to do with that, you're assuming Ronaldo decides which one he takes?

That's not leadership, that's just being the best player. Ronaldo did the same at Madrid, or have you failed to notice the way Madrid's season and their CL defense has gone?

 

[Rito]

Shifting of goalposts by some Messi fans is truly insane. Onze d'or? Seriously? Next is what? Puskas award to measure greatness?

 

[Gehrman]

Personally I think Ronaldo's technical ability is underrated, apart from his goals going by some, you'd think he had the technical ability of Lukkaku. He was a great dribbler at United, he scores all kinds of goals and they require a great ability. He's a good passer and crosser as well. But it's true, he doesn't have the touch, dribbling and passing skills like Messi, Maradonna or Zidane but he's still extremely skilled. He's changed his game alot from being a tricky winger to a poacher at Madrid.

 

[Schneckerl]

If you're talking about when they finished second and third to Ronaldinho, they were both better than Scholes that year. You'll have to be more specific about the years where they were ranked undeservedly higher.

I'm talking about Scholes getting zero votes in his entire career while Lampard/Gerrard got support in 4 or 5 seasons each.

Funny to see how for some posters Ballon dor voting is really important to rank players, unless of course you disagree with it than it's useless and biased.

 

[Schneckerl]

What are you on about? Whilst they careers overlapped for a while, their respective peaks were very much in different times.

2005 Gerrard and Lampard were better than Scholes.

How come you were "Team Ronaldo" even when Messi had a 4 v 1 BD lead?
Seems like the criteria are fluid.

btw this is the kind of arguments journos with who vote for the award use:

In this case it is anti-Ronaldo, but in general I would question why this is an authority worth listening too?

 

[hellohello]

Personally I think Ronaldo's technical ability is underrated, apart from his goals going by some, you'd think he had the technical ability of Lukkaku. He was a great dribbler at United, he scores all kinds of goals and they require a great ability. He's a good passer and crosser as well. But it's true, he doesn't have the touch, dribbling and passing skills like Messi, Maradonna or Zidane but he's still extremely skilled. He's changed his game alot from being a tricky winger to a poacher at Madrid.

Agree with this, people tend to underrate his overall game.

 

[Prometheus]

I'm talking about Scholes getting zero votes in his entire career while Lampard/Gerrard got support in 4 or 5 seasons each.

Funny to see how for some posters Ballon dor voting is really important to rank players, unless of course you disagree with it than it's useless and biased.

So it's not ranking from the same years you have problem with. It's like the number of times they were shortlisted/nominated in their careers. In that case your argument is pretty much meaningless because you're not comparing anything. Also of course the order in which dozens of footballers are voted is never going to perfectly align with your own projections. Also I don't get this revised status Scholes gets from United fans when he never even won the player of the year for United!

 

[sunama]

I thought that this was settled a while back, after Ronaldo won 3 CLs in a row?
The fact that he is doing well at Juve comes as no surprise.
Had he joined MUFC last Summer, I have no doubt that he'd be doing great for us.
CR7 could join any top team on the planet and be it's talisman. Not so sure about Messi.

CR7 is the GOAT. I've seen nothing to change this.

 

[altodevil]

I thought that this was settled a while back, after Ronaldo won 3 CLs in a row?
The fact that he is doing well at Juve comes as no surprise.
Had he joined MUFC last Summer, I have no doubt that he'd be doing great for us.
CR7 could join any top team on the planet and be it's talisman. Not so sure about Messi.

CR7 is the GOAT. I've seen nothing to change this.

 

[Daysleeper]

I thought that this was settled a while back, after Ronaldo won 3 CLs in a row?
The fact that he is doing well at Juve comes as no surprise.
Had he joined MUFC last Summer, I have no doubt that he'd be doing great for us.
CR7 could join any top team on the planet and be it's talisman. Not so sure about Messi.

CR7 is the GOAT. I've seen nothing to change this.

No it wasn’t. Watch the both of them week in and week out and you’ll see.

Ronaldo has also been a passenger in 75% of the CL finals he plays in. Didn’t even score after the quarter finals of CL last year.

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is that when Ronaldo is a passenger his teams still managed to drag the team over the finish line whereas if Messi is a passenger the rest of the team doesn’t show up ether.

 

[Hala Madrid]

Leadership, making his team better, creating something out of nothing, big game performances... In my opinion, this applies more to Messi than Ronaldo. You may see it as putting him down, I don't. Could it perhaps be that he is due for some criticism because he isn't perfect? What seems more likely to you, that Ronaldo has some flaws that he can be criticized for, or that he's perfect and thus exempt from criticism?

I won't dive too much into this, let's just take the first quality you mentioned, leadership. I don't like to see a selfish player who is obsessed with his output to such an extent that he isn't happy when a team-mate scores in his place. I would feel like this towards any player, and in this case it happens to be Ronaldo. How was he being a leader when he absolutely lost it in 2017 when Messi scored the winner at the Bernabeu? Why wasn't he encouraging his team-mates then, lifting them up and whatnot? How was Ronaldo being a leader when he focused on himself and brought up the topic of leaving Madrid in his first interview after the Champions League final while his team was celebrating the title on the pitch? In my opinion, Ronaldo is not a leader, he is too self-centered for that. People see him clapping his hands at his team-mates and shouting something and this is immediately a sign that he's a leader. In my opinion, a leader takes the first penalty in a Champions League final, not the last. Messi carries Barcelona on his shoulders all the time and to me that is what being a leader is, without the bells and whistles of shouting and clapping and whatever. To me, a leader gives up a penalty for his team-mate who is having a goal drought.

You may think there's an effort being made to put Ronaldo down, but I don't see it. Will you tell me I made some of this up?

Your statement has just proven that you love putting Ronaldo down because of how great he is, cherrypicking a moment of anger in the last 10 minutes of a match to determine that he is not an iconic leader; and you fail to remember that the cowardly behaviour and lack of leadership virtues in Messi cost his team 3 UCLs or 2 and also made his team lose against Croatia before they even started...scratching his beards and looking down like a clueless person.
Please if you're saying you're not trying to put Ronaldo, you're lying only to yourself and your fellow Messi stans on this thread, that's one of the reasons this thread is meaningless and pointless because you've made up your mind and you're just here to talk down on the other.
You Messi fans are absolutely disrespectful, pathetic and insufferable

 

[Pocho]

I thought that this was settled a while back, after Ronaldo won 3 CLs in a row?
The fact that he is doing well at Juve comes as no surprise.
Had he joined MUFC last Summer, I have no doubt that he'd be doing great for us.
CR7 could join any top team on the planet and be it's talisman. Not so sure about Messi.

CR7 is the GOAT. I've seen nothing to change this.

 

[Whiskey Red]

Im convinced this thread is nothing but trolls and pr agents of messi/ronaldo. Some of the comments are ridiculous

For the record messi > ronaldo

 

[Thunderhead]

I thought that this was settled a while back, after Ronaldo won 3 CLs in a row?
The fact that he is doing well at Juve comes as no surprise.
Had he joined MUFC last Summer, I have no doubt that he'd be doing great for us.
CR7 could join any top team on the planet and be it's talisman. Not so sure about Messi.

CR7 is the GOAT. I've seen nothing to change this.

I have, he's called Messi

 

[Prometheus]

No it wasn’t. Watch the both of them week in and week out and you’ll see.

Ronaldo has also been a passenger in 75% of the CL finals he plays in. Didn’t even score after the quarter finals of CL last year.

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is that when Ronaldo is a passenger his teams still managed to drag the team over the finish line whereas if Messi is a passenger the rest of the team doesn’t show up ether.

Funny how you don't hold it against Messi being a passenger in 6 hours of finals for his country. Just one goal wins any of those three finals. Also you say the difference is when Ronaldo is passenger his teammates drag the team over the finishing line - while that may well be true, have you considered that it may have also something to do with the fact that Messi's record at the knockout stages is closer to Muller and Shevchenko than Ronaldo?

 

[SportingCP96]

Some good points made here. Didn't know about the inflated goal numbers bit.

I have always said he was very overrated.

 

[Daysleeper]

Funny how you don't hold it against Messi being a passenger in 6 hours of finals for his country. Just one goal wins any of those three finals. Also you say the difference is when Ronaldo is passenger his teammates drag the team over the finishing line - while that may well be true, have you considered that it may have also something to do with the fact that Messi's record at the knockout stages is closer to Muller and Shevchenko than Ronaldo?

Ronaldo and Messi have yet to score a goal in the knockout stages of the WC. Messi has been very good in the knockout stages of the Copa America's.

In the finals they played Chile who were incredible defensively.

That same Chile team that shut Ronaldo out and beat them in penalties last time they faced off.

I think Ronaldo has been better in KO rounds than Messi in the UCL in recent years, but the leadership thing is way overblown. Especially when Cal was trying to hype up Ronaldo to give him credit for Madrid's defense


Last year Madrid nearly choked to Juventus by conceding 3 goals at home. This year they conceded 4 goals at home...both matches without Ramos.

Ronaldo was massive in getting them to the finals, but Ramos was the heart and soul of that team. The one the players looked up to far more than Ronaldo who always felt like an outsider with that squad.

 

[Rito]

Ronaldo and Messi have yet to score a goal in the knockout stages of the WC. Messi has been very good in the knockout stages of the Copa America's.

In the finals they played Chile who were incredible defensively.

That same Chile team that shut Ronaldo out and beat them in penalties last time they faced off.

I think Ronaldo has been better in KO rounds than Messi in the UCL in recent years, but the leadership thing is way overblown. Especially when Cal was trying to hype up Ronaldo to give him credit for Madrid's defense


Last year Madrid nearly choked to Juventus by conceding 3 goals at home. This year they conceded 4 goals at home...both matches without Ramos.

Ronaldo was massive in getting them to the finals, but Ramos was the heart and soul of that team. The one the players looked up to far more than Ronaldo who always felt like an outsider with that squad.

what happened to the heart and soul of Real Madrid after Ronaldo left?

 

[Daysleeper]

what happened to the heart and soul of Real Madrid after Ronaldo left?

They didn't replace him with anyone. Even a Cavani type replacement for Ronaldo and it's a completely different story for Madrid.

Juventus are on pace to win the least amount of trophies they have won in 6 years.

 

[zkap]

Your statement has just proven that you love putting Ronaldo down because of how great he is, cherrypicking a moment of anger in the last 10 minutes of a match to determine that he is not an iconic leader; and you fail to remember that the cowardly behaviour and lack of leadership virtues in Messi cost his team 3 UCLs or 2 and also made his team lose against Croatia before they even started...scratching his beards and looking down like a clueless person.
Please if you're saying you're not trying to put Ronaldo, you're lying only to yourself and your fellow Messi stans on this thread, that's one of the reasons this thread is meaningless and pointless because you've made up your mind and you're just here to talk down on the other.
You Messi fans are absolutely disrespectful, pathetic and insufferable

It’s the same thing again, I dish out criticism and you get defensive as I must be doing it because of how great Ronaldo is. Did I make anything up? I mentioned a few situations that actually happened, while you labelled Messi’s behaviour as cowardly without specifying what it is you’re talking about. I don’t remember us losing Champions Leagues because of Messi.

And of course I’ve made up my mind, almost everyone has. There’s not s shred of doubt for me. I came here to discuss, which doesn’t mean I’m waiting for someone to talk me into something. You didn’t make up your mind? Who’s lying to whom now? Or are you still on the fence about the clueless person scratching his beard?

Also, if the thread is pointless and meaningless, don’t post in it. Maybe you just do it to insult us Messi “stans” for being pathetic and insufferable. I didn’t even post enough to be insufferable.

 

[Stocar]

Ronaldo and Messi have yet to score a goal in the knockout stages of the WC.

That fact alone tells everything one needs to know about taking results and records in cup competitions as the main barometer of players quality.

 

[Tostao_80]

I don't think making that claim about Lampard/Iniesta would make anyone insane. But that's for another thread. Also, yes, Cristiano received that at Juventus at Champions League QF - so in fact, he received at a bigger stage and from a greater opponent.

You really think that Lampard and Iniesta are close as footballers really? Iniesta is one of the greatest European midfielders of the last 40 years, Lampard doesnt enter the equation. No amount of stats or figures will prove otherwise.
I suppose you will also tell me that Lampard was better than Zidane also? Lampard kills Zidane when it comes to stats (infact he scored nearly twice the amount of career goals Zizou scored).
Thats it ladies and gentlemen, according to the Cristiano stats brigade. Lampard was better than Zidane and Iniesta.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

No it wasn’t. Watch the both of them week in and week out and you’ll see.

Ronaldo has also been a passenger in 75% of the CL finals he plays in. Didn’t even score after the quarter finals of CL last year.

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is that when Ronaldo is a passenger his teams still managed to drag the team over the finish line whereas if Messi is a passenger the rest of the team doesn’t show up ether.

By that logic Messi has been a passenger in UCL KOs since don't know when.

 

[Daysleeper]

By that logic Messi has been a passenger in UCL KOs since don't know when.

Had one of the best CL years of the decade in 2015, was phenomenal in the round of 16 this year and last.

Ronaldo has been better in KO in recent years for sure, but very underwhelming in the finals outside of 2017.

 

[Daysleeper]

That fact alone tells everything one needs to know about taking results and records in cup competitions as the main barometer of players quality.

Spot on

 

[Charles Miller]

There is a Copa America in South America in few months. Perfect oportunity for Messi to lead Argentina to a title. There is no excuse this time.

 

[SCP]

There is a Copa America in South America in few months. Perfect oportunity for Messi to lead Argentina to a title. There is no excuse this time.

Actually there is. Being played in Brazil.

 

[Tommy]

Actually there is. Being played in Brazil.

2020 CA is in Argentina if I remember right.

 

[SCP]

2020 CA is in Argentina if I remember right.

I have the impression in a few months is in Brazil but he already lost one at home.

Ok I checked, it looks we will have 99 Copas until he wins one.

 

[Daysleeper]

There is a Copa America in South America in few months. Perfect oportunity for Messi to lead Argentina to a title. There is no excuse this time.

Wtf, Brazil are the favourites, Argentina is going through a transition with half the team being new players with a new coach.

 

[Prometheus]

You really think that Lampard and Iniesta are close as footballers really? Iniesta is one of the greatest European midfielders of the last 40 years, Lampard doesnt enter the equation. No amount of stats or figures will prove otherwise.
I suppose you will also tell me that Lampard was better than Zidane also? Lampard kills Zidane when it comes to stats (infact he scored nearly twice the amount of career goals Zizou scored).
Thats it ladies and gentlemen, according to the Cristiano stats brigade. Lampard was better than Zidane and Iniesta.

Relax yourself and stop using straw man. I didn't even mention Zidane. I didn't say Lampard was better than Iniesta either. I'm the saying the gulf, if any, isn't so huge that anyone making a claim either way can be branded as 'insane'. Also I find it telling that people keep saying that no amount of stats or figures will prove otherwise - are we supposed to agree with your own feelings? How does that work?

 

[Hemant]

Leadership, making his team better, creating something out of nothing, big game performances... In my opinion, this applies more to Messi than Ronaldo. You may see it as putting him down, I don't. Could it perhaps be that he is due for some criticism because he isn't perfect? What seems more likely to you, that Ronaldo has some flaws that he can be criticized for, or that he's perfect and thus exempt from criticism?

I won't dive too much into this, let's just take the first quality you mentioned, leadership. I don't like to see a selfish player who is obsessed with his output to such an extent that he isn't happy when a team-mate scores in his place. I would feel like this towards any player, and in this case it happens to be Ronaldo. How was he being a leader when he absolutely lost it in 2017 when Messi scored the winner at the Bernabeu? Why wasn't he encouraging his team-mates then, lifting them up and whatnot? How was Ronaldo being a leader when he focused on himself and brought up the topic of leaving Madrid in his first interview after the Champions League final while his team was celebrating the title on the pitch? In my opinion, Ronaldo is not a leader, he is too self-centered for that. People see him clapping his hands at his team-mates and shouting something and this is immediately a sign that he's a leader. In my opinion, a leader takes the first penalty in a Champions League final, not the last. Messi carries Barcelona on his shoulders all the time and to me that is what being a leader is, without the bells and whistles of shouting and clapping and whatever. To me, a leader gives up a penalty for his team-mate who is having a goal drought.

You may think there's an effort being made to put Ronaldo down, but I don't see it. Will you tell me I made some of this up?

It’s the same thing again, I dish out criticism and you get defensive as I must be doing it because of how great Ronaldo is. Did I make anything up? I mentioned a few situations that actually happened, while you labelled Messi’s behaviour as cowardly without specifying what it is you’re talking about. I don’t remember us losing Champions Leagues because of Messi.

And of course I’ve made up my mind, almost everyone has. There’s not s shred of doubt for me. I came here to discuss, which doesn’t mean I’m waiting for someone to talk me into something. You didn’t make up your mind? Who’s lying to whom now? Or are you still on the fence about the clueless person scratching his beard?

Also, if the thread is pointless and meaningless, don’t post in it. Maybe you just do it to insult us Messi “stans” for being pathetic and insufferable. I didn’t even post enough to be insufferable.

I can only post 3 messages so couldn’t reply to your first post which you replied to my point .i don’t think you particularly brings down Ronaldo but Messi fans in general does and that gives you feeling that they are insecure .

I mean if he was really that great and best ever by big margin as Messi fans want to force Onto the world , why then even bother coming here and telling us ..the fact that it’s debate all over world means they are close or atleast we should talk about it . No one talks about who is better between Ronaldo /Messi and Rooney by the way because it’s very clear .

You indeed picked out something and make out of it to suggest he is not a leader and egocentric person .

There is clear difference in What they bring to team and help elevate their team mates performance ..Ronaldo does that ( do you think Juventus would have got past Atlético it Ronaldo was not with them this season and they are 2-0 down in first leg ..simple answer is NO ..he made them believe in first place and he did score hattrick but first part is more important that he elevated his teams game byjust his presence ..if he is average player as many Messi fans points out then surely he can’t put in performances like these time and again )


I would rather put points on why I think Ronaldo is best than putting points to make Messi looks poor .

Many people dont give him credit for winning Euro 2016 ( where he scored and assisted in SF ..played big part in group stage and Croatia game and also see that video of him motivating his team mates for penalty shootout against Poland)

Messi fans go to level saying he is not even top 10 of all time ..lol

Simple question : You have average team and you need to win against really good team ..who would you put in that team
To win it for you ?