Starting from deeper will help you get more attacking stats like those except goals if anything. Not getting your point there.
Not that there is a massive difference in those stats overall anyway.
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Starting from deeper will help you get more attacking stats like those except goals if anything. Not getting your point there.
Not that there is a massive difference in those stats overall anyway.
Yep, absolutely. But let's not pretend that he's 'more complete' beacuse he can jump higher. Or some ridiculous claims that he's a winger
The little points add up across the board, he's a superior player in every aspect apart from aerially, his performance score is 2900 this year, Ronaldo is 2100, much more well rounded, you're saying "not a massive different stat" so averaging 20 forward passes a game more isn't much, each one of those stats make him a more rounded player.
Ironically he's actually better defensively than Ronaldo over the past few seasons too, which you wouldn't expect.
Today Ronaldo barely did anything, he relies purely on the service from his team mates and he did against Sevilla at the weekend too.
I'm glad Ronaldo is currently reigning supreme over Messi, and hope he wins the Ballon D'or again next year... which he surely will if Madrid are successful in winning the Champions League. Messi is obviously younger and presumably has the advantage of unchecked PED use in the form of HGH (neither he nor Barca will comment on this) which will give him even more of an advantage as he ages, so I suspect when Ronaldo is starting to wind down as a player, Messi will still be at the top of his game. Ronaldo knows that his time is now and that's why I think he's going to up his game over the next year or two....I genuinely don't think we've seen the best of him yet.
Hopefully no one falls for such an obvious troll.
Getting away from obvious goals/assists numbers, let's look at actual playmaking and game control variables. I have selected CL as this is where you get toucher teams compared to league. And I could argue that Barca had the tougher opponents so far compared to Madrid.
Getting away from obvious goals/assists numbers, let's look at actual playmaking and game control variables. I have selected CL as this is where you get toucher teams compared to league. And I could argue that Barca had the tougher opponents so far compared to Madrid.
Cal will of course find some far fetched way to discredit it.
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Give credit where credit is due.
Give credit where credit is due.
Ronaldo isn't a playmaker, like Messi. I think that what Ronaldo does for counter attacking cannot be quantified (IMO he is the best counter attacking player in the world), but on general play, Messi is better, no question there. So far this season has been close IMO, but I think that Messi has been the better player. If Madrid wins UCL though, I think that Ronaldo will win an another Ballon D'Or. Otherwise it should go to Messi.Getting away from obvious goals/assists numbers, let's look at actual playmaking and game control variables. I have selected CL as this is where you get toucher teams compared to league. And I could argue that Barca had the tougher opponents so far compared to Madrid.
It hasn't been close this year in fairness though, in goals? yes, in everything else? it hasn't.
All the statistics in the world prove that, whether it be OPTA, Squawka etc, and Ronaldo isn't a winger these days, he's a striker and he plays right off the back four the entire game.
Ronaldo isn't the player of his 23-26 years of age self, he's lost his dribbling ability, he gets assists yes but Messi is a phenomenal passer.
Yes Ronaldo is good with counter attacking, but when it's 2V2 or 3V3 do you expect him to miss the target? In world terms Messi more often than not starts the attacking move which Barcelona score from, he can dribble to take on one or two players, so much so that you get 4-5 players around him at times and he creates space for other people.
If you want to stop Ronaldo you only need to double up on him, he doesnt have the ability that he used to beating players, and stats even show that, what Ronaldo is doing this year I could watch Puskas do it or Brazilian Ronaldo, don't get me wrong great players, but not the "GOAT".
If Ronaldo wins the Ballon D'or this year it's an injustice based on the season so far, last years was probably down to La Decima as well, Ronaldo is a great player and we all know that, but the difference statistically between Messi and Ronaldo this year from a stats perspective has been the difference between Ronaldo and Hazard/Robben and that's how "not close" it is this year (that's overall influence on a football field performance scores).
If you look at just goals like some tend to do then that's fine, but it's a distorted way to look at Football, it's a teamsport it's about the best FOOTBALLER not the best GOALSCORER.
As Ronaldo enters his early 30's I doubt we would see him making alot efforts on his all round game.. rather he would go more and more effective and will become more so a pure poacher (or making more pure assists) than ever.
Mind you if he lead Real to CL and La Liga titles he might have the edge of winning his 4th over Messi.
Mind you if he lead Real to CL and La Liga titles he might have the edge of winning his 4th over Messi.
Last year Ronaldo was the best player in the CL so I doubt it was just down to Madrid winning it. He was the top scorer in the competition and broke the record for most goals ever scored in the competition (17). Yeah yeah just goals innit, but nobody else even came close to him last season in the CL in terms of goals scored (Ibrahimovich was 2nd with 10) and I do not think that the general play or performances of any other player in the competition was enough to make up for them being so far behind Ronaldo in terms of goals. He was also joint third in terms of assists in the competition with Benzema (they both had 5) with Di Maria 2nd (on 6) and Rooney 1st (on 8). To say that he only won the Balon D'or last season because Madrid won La Decima is doing a disservice to his consistency in the competition. He was immense and over the course of the entire competition, I do not think that any player can say that they contributed more than him in it. His consistency in that competition was enough for him to have had a very strong claim for the Balon D'or and IMO he deservedly won it.
I wonder what happens if barca win la Liga and Madrid win the cl. Then do they give it to whoevers jut been the better player, or prioritise.
Does anyone remember why Ronaldo won the Ballon'Dor in 2013? I seem to remember Messi being better than him that season and scoring and assisting more goals too. iirc Ronaldo gave an excellent performance against Sweden in which he single handily carried Portugal to the World Cup. and that ended up shifting the results due to the Ballon'Dor poll being reopened again for some reason?
Because Fifa extended the voting immediately after Ronaldo scored a couple of goals against Sweden in a qualifying game where Portugal shouldn't have been in the first place if Ronaldo had managed to carry Portugal to direct qualification in a group with Israel, Azerbaidschan, Northern Ireland, Luxembourg and Russia - where he only scored in 2 out of 8 games -- against bottom Northern Ireland and Luxembourg. That was the year where Messi was the sole reason for Barca winning the league with 100 points, coming on and qualifying Barca past PSG on 1 leg and where Madrid won 0. The new Ballon d'Or system is designed in a way that it mostly takes into account what happens in October and November though because the majority of the voters (footballers, coaches) don't watch Messi/Ronaldo games all year so they are influenced by the in-form player during the voting period. Where Ronaldo for 2 seasons in a row went on crazy scoring streaks.
He shouldn't even have been on the pitch to score the goals either. He should have been sent off before that for head-butting Lustig because he'd been kept quiet all game.
Now that you mention it, it's odd how he gets away with so many punches, elbows, etc. He doesn't really have a reputation for it, but he has become quite dirty since moving to RM.
Because everyone was tired of Messi winning it.
Fact of the matter is Messi has been the best player in the world for 7 years straight. And it's not even particularly close.
The Balon D'or is said to be based on the calendar year, but it seems to me that the previous season is also taken into account. The award seems to run from August of the previous year through to October/November of the current year (or at least that is how it seems to me). Basically you get credit for the previous campaign, any tournaments in the summer, and your early season form. Over the course of the 12/13 season, Messi outperformed Ronaldo but he had injury problems during the season and over the course of the year (2013) and played a lot less games than Ronaldo, which Ronaldo took full advantage of and made his extra games count. Over the calendar year 2013, Ronaldo scored 69 goals in 60 games and Messi scored 45 goals in 46 games. I do not remember their assists stats but as far as I can remember Messi was ahead in them but not as far ahead of Ronaldo in terms of assists as Ronaldo was ahead of Messi in terms of goals. Messi was top scorer in La Liga from the previous season (12/13) and Ronaldo was top scorer in the CL (with the top scorer in the CL probably being viewed as being a bigger deal than top scorer in the league).
Messi had injuries at key moments and he missed lots of games as a result of them. He was better than Ronaldo over the 12/13 season but his injuries stopped him from being better over the course of the calendar year 2013. Ronaldo's 69 goals in 60 games was a long way ahead of Messi's 45 goals in 46 games that season and I guess people did not think that Messi's general play and performances were enough to bridge that gap (the injuries certainly played their part in that). If Messi stayed injury free in 2013 he surely would have won the Balon D'or that year, but he didn't and credit to Ronaldo for taking advantage of that and for being good enough to win the award when Messi is not at his best. Even when Messi was having problems and is not at his best, he was still better and more consistent than every other player except Ronaldo and for that Ronaldo deserves a lot of credit, respect and merit.
If that's the case I think Messi would deserve more votes anyway, as trophy-wise Ronaldo won't have any clear advantage there, statistically speaking both are just equally impressive, so that will be all down to performances.
That was purely based on sentiment, he had a great week or 2 and he won it when Messi was the better player that year.
He was dirty when he played for you too. Headbutt at Portsmouth, kicking players while lying on the ground...
Thanks man!
Is there any doubt?
We should just close this thread. Far better than Ronaldo.
No, only mad people can claim Ronaldo to be better.
Was there really any point in the last 4 years where it was in doubt?
No.
Its not even a contest anymore.
This thread is just an insult to the greatest ever.
I was hoping Messi would show that arrogant Neuer his place with a beautiful chip
Yup, ronaldo is a machine, but messi is capable of producing magic out of nothing, the greatest without a doubt.
I must admit that for a while I thought ronaldo was better.
However, there's something IMO that ronaldo is missing these days. In the past, you could give him the ball halfway down the pitch and tell him to go change the game - which he would. I now feel that's no longer the case.
Messi on the other hand will do that constantly.
However, there's something IMO that ronaldo is missing these days. In the past, you could give him the ball halfway down the pitch and tell him to go change the game - which he would. I now feel that's no longer the case.
Messi on the other hand will do that constantly.
Cal?
Yes it was and is still is. One 10 good minutes don't change that, i think CAF is the most knee jerk forum. Don't forget Ronaldo won last two golden balls and i wouldn't be suprised if he will won it again next season.
Never really got into the whole Messi v Ronaldo thing, largely because it's always seemed quite obvious who the better player was.
Ronaldo is a great in his own right but Messi is a class above. That's just the way it is.
Ronaldo is a great in his own right but Messi is a class above. That's just the way it is.
You're watching the wrong sport. What Messi did tonight can't be topped.
If Real Madrid wins UCL, then I guess it will go to him. Deservedly so.
It's not comparable anymore. Ronaldo looks to have peaked, Messi hasn't yet.
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