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dxadel said:
You always try to use this to boost your argument, people belittle Ronaldo to praise Messi and all that crap to make it sound like you're the only sane one arguing, it's a good strategy but it doesn't help your case when you belittle Messi too(I'm guessing highlighting another's weakness is what you mean by belittling), the beyond pathetic tag could also apply to you, since you love it so much. I don't think anyone on here needs to belittle a player we once adored to praise another - Messi seems to that on his own, I think we can all agree that Ronaldo is really close to Messi in terms of quality, if Messi didn't exist it'd be Ronaldo all the way.
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We apparently don't think so, considering that some posters here have been saying 'that even without any goal, Messi is a better player than Ronaldo'. So yeah - to repeat it for you - people here are saying that remove 50-60 goals that Messi scores every season, and he is a better player than Ronaldo. Hardly being close.

If that isn't belittling Ronaldo then I don't know what it is. Or how people here claim that Ronaldo scores only tap ins. Someone yesterday said that Messi makes real assists, not like Ronaldo's assist. Every page you have people belittling Ronaldo.

I am not the only sane person in the thread, but a lot here are extremely agenda driven and biased.
 
Revan said:
We apparently don't think so, considering that some posters here have been saying 'that even without any goal, Messi is a better player than Ronaldo'. So yeah - to repeat it for you - people here are saying that remove 50-60 goals that Messi scores every season, and he is a better player than Ronaldo. Hardly being close.

If that isn't belittling Ronaldo then I don't know what it is. Or how people here claim that Ronaldo scores only tap ins. Someone yesterday said that Messi makes real assists, not like Ronaldo's assist. Every page you have people belittling Ronaldo.

I am not the only sane person in the thread, but a lot here are extremely agenda driven and biased.
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Takeaway the 50 goals and Messi does more for his team than Ronaldo(I say this as someone who watches Barcelona play every week), you're more likely to hear someone say "Ronaldo had a bad game" if he doesn't score not saying all he does is score, I'm just saying for a player like Ronaldo who tends to be a little more selfish ( not saying this is a bad thing,he can damn near take on 11 men by himself) end product is very essential in his game, Messi on the other hand has mastered the art of controlling a game without scoring a goal, I would have given you this argument a few years ago, not this Messi, he offers a whole lot more than just goals like I said before, you'd have to watch Barcelona to see this.
 
Revan said:
We apparently don't think so, considering that some posters here have been saying 'that even without any goal, Messi is a better player than Ronaldo'. So yeah - to repeat it for you - people here are saying that remove 50-60 goals that Messi scores every season, and he is a better player than Ronaldo. Hardly being close.

If that isn't belittling Ronaldo then I don't know what it is. Or how people here claim that Ronaldo scores only tap ins. Someone yesterday said that Messi makes real assists, not like Ronaldo's assist. Every page you have people belittling Ronaldo.

I am not the only sane person in the thread, but a lot here are extremely agenda driven and biased.
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in both sets of fans you'll find someone trying to belittle the other player

about messi has been said along the years:
he peaked too early -that was said years before he scored 96 goals in a calendar year-
he is nothing without xavi and iniesta -barcelona has a huge chance to win another trebble with xavi and iniesta in a low form and not playing together-
he wouldnt score against stoke on a cold tuesday night -ok, i'm pretty sure that the Stoke City fans are proud of this-
he needs to prove he is good in argentina before be considered in the same tier with zidane -not only he did it, but is something that no one asked Distefano-
he would fail in england -but every time he plays against english teams he does a fine job-
yes, he scored four against arsenal, but that's not a propper english defense -and the two he scored against us?-
and now fergie: he wouldnt score a hattrik for QPR while ronaldo will -forgetting that ronaldo never played for a shit team and while playing for us, the all mighty Manchester United, he only scored one hattrick
 
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Brwned said:
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dxadel said:
Takeaway the 50 goals and Messi does more for his team than Ronaldo(I say this as someone who watches Barcelona play every week), you're more likely to hear someone say "Ronaldo had a bad game" if he doesn't score not saying all he does is score, I'm just saying for a player like Ronaldo who tends to be a little more selfish ( not saying this is a bad thing,he can damn near take on 11 men by himself) end product is very essential in his game, Messi on the other hand has mastered the art of controlling a game without scoring a goal, I would have given you this argument a few years ago, not this Messi, he offers a whole lot more than just goals like I said before, you'd have to watch Barcelona to see this.
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To be fair, I completely agree with this post. If we discount goals (or they both have around the same amount of goals), Messi is better than Ronaldo. My point was to the poster who said that even if Messi wouldn't score, he would be the best. Which is horseshit.

Ronaldo offers other things than goals too. He makes a lot of assists (only 30 less than Messi since he moved clubs, on same amount of games) and pretty much makes impossible for opponents to play a high line defense. It isn't like Messi of course but far from the Bebe which this thread might give the impression.

Agree @Marcosdeto and never understand that. A couple of years ago people were claiming that he would be nothing without Xavi and Iniesta and then they missed three games in a row, during which he scored 8 goals. His level dropped a bit the previous two seasons and people were claiming that he is finished. Many people have got this ridiculous stance that you can't like one without disliking and belittling the other.
 
Revan said:
To be fair, I completely agree with this post. If we discount goals (or they both have around the same amount of goals), Messi is better than Ronaldo. My point was to the poster who said that even if Messi wouldn't score, he would be the best. Which is horseshit.

Ronaldo offers other things than goals too. He makes a lot of assists (only 30 less than Messi since he moved clubs, on same amount of games) and pretty much makes impossible for opponents to play a high line defense. It isn't like Messi of course but far from the Bebe which this thread might give the impression.

Agree @Marcosdeto and never understand that. A couple of years ago people were claiming that he would be nothing without Xavi and Iniesta and then they missed three games in a row, during which he scored 8 goals. His level dropped a bit the previous two seasons and people were claiming that he is finished. Many people have got this ridiculous stance that you can't like one without disliking and belittling the other.
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i posted this a couple of months ago and i still think is right


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i still think that messi is the better player but i'm happy i got to see messi yesterday and i'm going to see ronaldo today
 
Marcosdeto said:
he would fail in england -but every time he plays against english teams he does a fine job-
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Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
 
matherto said:
Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
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You don't think he was amazing against City? His performance against them this season is up there with his best games I reckon.

He tore Chelsea apart back when del Horno got sent off for hacking him down too, and played well against Man Utd/Arsenal.
 
Did you read Alex Ferguson saying that Cristiano was better because he could play in any team however Messi only in Barça?
 
matherto said:
Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
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All those nutmegs and he wasn't amazing? he was miles ahead of everyone on that pitch for a good 20 minutes, put Messi in City and watch him flourish.
 
Messi would piss on the premier league. He'd win the Pfa player of the year and be top scorer every year.

Same goes for ronaldo had he stayed longer.
 
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carvajal said:
Did you read Alex Ferguson saying that Cristiano was better because he could play in any team however Messi only in Barça?
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A shocking statement you'd expect to find among the obnoxious youtube comments posted by some 12 year olds. A statement in the same vein of the likes of ''but could he do it on a rainy night against Stoke''.

Ferguson has grown sentimental and old.
 
matherto said:
Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
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He was amazing against City.

Against Liverpool, it doesn't count, he was 18 and nowhere near the best player in the world. Still good enough to destroy Chelsea (Del Horne) though.
 
Its not that hard to understand it. If you take away the majority of goals from messi, he is still a worldclass player who could start for a top3 team. In terms of creativity he is at least on par with the best creative midfielders in the world. So if Messi would only score 5-10 goals a season he could still be a starter for Barca/bayern/Real. He´d be somewhat Iniesta-ish.
Do the same with Ronaldo and there is substantially less left. He wouldnt get near the starting lineup of a top5 team. He´d be one of many wingers/ss who are doing alright.
 
carvajal said:
Did you read Alex Ferguson saying that Cristiano was better because he could play in any team however Messi only in Barça?
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Alex Ferguson also chose to play Rafael in midfield over Pogba in a home game v relegation fodder Blackburn and he spent god knows how many millions on Bebe.

Sometimes he gets it wrong.
 
PedroMendez said:
Its not that hard to understand it. If you take away the majority of goals from messi, he is still a worldclass player who could start for a top3 team. In terms of creativity he is at least on par with the best creative midfielders in the world. So if Messi would only score 5-10 goals a season he could still be a starter for Barca/bayern/Real. He´d be somewhat Iniesta-ish.
Do the same with Ronaldo and there is substantially less left. He wouldnt get near the starting lineup of a top5 team. He´d be one of many wingers/ss who are doing alright.
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I would say that he would be better than alright. If you look at how he was doing in a few games at the start of the season with a different role and him playing in a different way, he was doing a very good job. His first half in particular against Atletico was great. His role was then changed back to being the teams main goalscorer. In his first season at Madrid and in the 06/07 season for United he caused lots of damage against teams with his dribbling and his crossing has always been good and he is a decent passer. He would still be a world class player if his main focus was not on goals IMO. Like his finishing and positioning (amongst other things) improved while he was at United and in his first few years at Madrid, I do not see why his dribbling, crossing and passing would not have improved if they were his main focuses and what the manager he was playing for wanted him to mainly utilise.

He is still capable of dribbling, although he does not do it as much as he used to and he is not as good at it as he used to be (I guess because it is not his main focus or how the manager wants to use him, so he does not work on it as much as his finishing and positioning). Off the top of my head this season, his goal vs Levante, his assist for Benzema vs Malaga and his goal vs Rayo (yeah the keeper made a mess of it and it is not the most aesthetically pleasing goal but Ronaldo still had to cut in across the defender to get his shot off) and his assist for Marcelo vs Schalke came from beating people. There were other occasions where he went on a good run but nothing came from it in the end. Where he would place amongst the best players in the world if goals were not his main focus, I do not know but I still believe that he would be a world class player without them.
 
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Discounting goals discussion is really pointless here. If discount goals from every striker, Welbeck could be ranked as one of the very best.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Messi would piss on the premier league. He'd win the Pfa player of the year and be top scorer every year.

Same goes for ronaldo had he stayed longer.
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Yeah, I find this idea that Messi would struggle against the likes of Stoke (which has almost descended into a parody because of how daft it is) to be ridiculous. He's been superb in two CL finals against us, in years where he won the PL. He'd rip apart this league, in the same manner he'd tear apart any league he was in.
 
Raul on Messi

The Real Madrid legend does not think he has ever faced a footballer as talented as the Barcelona No.10 throughout his long career


Real Madrid legend Raul believes Barcelona star Lionel Messi is the best player he has ever played against due to his ability to make “the impossible look easy”.

Messi has wowed football fans by upping his game after a lull in his 2014 performances, and his form has undoubtedly helped Luis Enrique's men to sit atop La Liga with a famous treble within sight.

Raul played at the Santiago Bernabeu for 16 years before leaving in 2010 and reserved praise for Messi, AC Milan defensive hero Paolo Maldini and Bayern Munich goalkeeping great Oliver Kahn.

“Messi is the best player I ever played against,” the former Spain striker, 37, told reporters. “I was lucky enough to play with Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo, Luis Figo, Cristiano Ronaldo... But Messi is different.

“Messi makes everything look so easy, so effortless – even the impossible. When you watch him play, it’s almost as though you are watching him in the street playing with his mates.

“In my early days, the best players I ever faced would have been Roberto Baggio and Ryan Giggs.

“The best defender I came up against was Paolo Maldini, he was a strong and elegant player. I remember how difficult it was to play against him.

“He’s one of the best centre-backs in football history. His attitude out on the pitch was amazing. He’s a football idol.

“And the best keeper is Oliver Kahn. Those Champions League duels with Bayern were so tough.”

Raul, who now plies his trade at New York Cosmos, gave his thoughts on how Real Madrid are looking this season as they enter the final few weeks of the season two points behind Barca in La Liga and set to face Scudetto holders Juventus in the Champions League semi-finals.

“Madrid are well-placed,” he added. “They have a difficult game against Juventus in the Champions League – Juve are a very good side with some very talented players. But I am hoping to see Madrid in the final in Berlin.

“As for La Liga, that’s a bit more complicated. Barca thrashed Getafe the other night but there are still four games to go and anything is possible. I just hope Madrid maintain the momentum right up until the last day.”
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Yeah but Real Madrid let him go. He's clearly bitter and biased against them.

/cal
 
Cheesy said:
Yeah, I find this idea that Messi would struggle against the likes of Stoke (which has almost descended into a parody because of how daft it is) to be ridiculous. He's been superb in two CL finals against us, in years where he won the PL. He'd rip apart this league, in the same manner he'd tear apart any league he was in.
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When you see how David Silva pisses on this league I can't believe people think Messi would struggle when he's better than him in every respect .. no disrespect meant to Silva
 
matherto said:
Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
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He destroyed us twice, put 4 past Arsenal and made City look like a Championship team this season.
 
matherto said:
Whilst I think he would unequivocally be a success in England because he's just that good, to say that he's done a fine job every time he plays an English team is just plain wrong.

He's always been shut down against Chelsea, completely anonymous. The only thing he's ever done of note against them is the assist for Iniesta in 2009. Never once had a good game against them.

He's played Liverpool twice and granted it was a lot earlier in his career and Barça were in a bit of a crisis by their standards but he did naff all against them.

He was good against City last year and this year though. Not amazing, but decent at least.

I think he'd take time to adapt over here and wouldn't score anything like as many but he'd still be very good once he got going. Not sure which team he'd fit here though.
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It's Lionel Messi. He'll fit every team in the world that plays football.
 
Cal? said:
The fact he named Kahn as the best keeper ever says it all...
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He qualified every one of his earlier statements through his own personal context, so it's safe to assume he meant similarly wrt Kahn,

“Messi is the best player I ever played against,”
“In my early days, the best players I ever faced would have been Roberto Baggio and Ryan Giggs.
“The best defender I came up against was Paolo Maldini
“And the best keeper [I played against] is Oliver Kahn. Those Champions League duels with Bayern were so tough.”

Even regarding Maldini he specified: “He’s one of the best centre-backs in football history."

Very nuanced and measured language, I'd say. Unlike what you're claiming he stated.
 
Ronaldo gets a few grudgingrespect points for shining in three teams in three countries. He might even take up one last transfer challenge and sign for another team again. Lets face it. Messi would never have the balls to move to Qatar.
 
Skorenzy said:
He qualified every one of his earlier statements through his own personal context, so it's safe to assume he meant similarly wrt Kahn,

“Messi is the best player I ever played against,”
“In my early days, the best players I ever faced would have been Roberto Baggio and Ryan Giggs.
“The best defender I came up against was Paolo Maldini
“And the best keeper [I played against] is Oliver Kahn. Those Champions League duels with Bayern were so tough.”

Even regarding Maldini he specified: “He’s one of the best centre-backs in football history."

Very nuanced and measured language, I'd say. Unlike what you're claiming he stated.
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And it's not exactly controversial to say Kahn was the best keeper of that era. Debatable, but not controversial.
 
Needham said:
Ronaldo gets a few grudgingrespect points for shining in three teams in three countries. He might even take up one last transfer challenge and sign for another team again. Lets face it. Messi would never have the balls to move to Qatar.
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would you?
 
Needham said:
Ronaldo gets a few grudgingrespect points for shining in three teams in three countries. He might even take up one last transfer challenge and sign for another team again. Lets face it. Messi would never have the balls to move to Qatar.
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Not sure if serious..
 
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