I wonder how many years will we see another player as profilic as these living legends? I don't think it will happen that soon.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Last season, fair enough, they won everything and the results in their CL run were impressive. They were as good as Heynckes' Bayern or Enrique's Barcelona, to name some of the winning teams from the recent memory. But in 2014 they weren't that impressive. They battled with Atletico and Barca for the league, and struggled in the final against same Atletico side that won the league over them. Their CL run wasn't really that spectacular, except the tie with Bayern (where they were very efficient with set pieces). Anyway, all these teams don't come close to the level of dominance and consistency of Guardiola's Barcelona. Which was achieved mainly because of Messi, to be back on topic. Who is today also carrying a significantly weaker Barcelona side to domestic titles. And for some reason this doesn't get enough recognition.
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I never said it’s irrelevant, but nowhere near as important as Messi fans seem to think.
The Messi fans and their ‘take away the goal’ logic is utterly bizarre. Take away the one thing that defines the entire sport.
Currently Ronaldo has had more success. I bias so I'm going with Ronaldo.
Is Ronaldo vs Messi comparable to Lampard vs Iniesta for example?
Kinda, in that obviously one of them is the more talented player. However in the Lampard vs Iniesta debate you could point out that Lampard's numbers are much better than Iniesta's, whereas Ronaldo's numbers aren't better than Messi's - in some cases their numbers are extremely similar, and in some Messi's are even better.
If Lampard had outperformed Iniesta in the Champions League and internationally then yes.
People like me? You mean people who think that another player is better than Ronaldo? How wonderful that must be for you..
Your post sums up perfectly why this thread is the shit show that it is, I naively thought it was for debating who's the best but it's clearly a lot more than that for some of you in an incredibly personal way, which is pretty baffling to me since we are talking about two random footballers who, for many of us, doesn't even play for "our" team.You seem to take the notion that I want Real to win as some sort of personal win in the Messi vs Ronaldo debate which is incredibly small time imo. It has literally nothing to do with this thread or my view of them as players.
I don't want to shock you too much but Messi isn't even my favorite player, I just think he's the goat, and I don't wish for Ronaldo to fail just because complete strangers on an internet forum thinks he's better than Messi. I thought the last part especially should be a given but it's pretty clear that some of you don't do the same.
I never said it’s irrelevant, but nowhere near as important as Messi fans seem to think.
The Messi fans and their ‘take away the goal’ logic is utterly bizarre. Take away the one thing that defines the entire sport.
Well if you look at how Messi plays the game you would realise why it's so important for him. He wouldn't create and score as much as he does if he was a worse dribbler.
Neither would other players like Pele, Maradona, Ronaldhino, Neymar etcetcetc for that matter.
People like me? You mean people who think that another player is better than Ronaldo? How wonderful that must be for you..
You seem to take the notion that I want Real to win as some sort of personal win in the Messi vs Ronaldo debate which is incredibly small time imo. It has literally nothing to do with this thread or my view of them as players.
I don't want to shock you too much but Messi isn't even my favorite player, I just think he's the goat, and I don't wish for Ronaldo to fail just because complete strangers on an internet forum thinks he's better than Messi. I thought the last part especially should be a given but it's pretty clear that some of you don't do the same.
People like you as in people wanting to Ronaldo to fail. It's going to be funny to watch people here who obviously don't like him have him as their last hope to stop Liverpool from winning the Champions League. What's wrong with that? Bloody hell.. it wasn't an insult.
People like me? You mean people who think that another player is better than Ronaldo? How wonderful that must be for you..
You seem to take the notion that I want Real to win as some sort of personal win in the Messi vs Ronaldo debate which is incredibly small time imo. It has literally nothing to do with this thread or my view of them as players.
I don't want to shock you too much but Messi isn't even my favorite player, I just think he's the goat, and I don't wish for Ronaldo to fail just because complete strangers on an internet forum thinks he's better than Messi. I thought the last part especially should be a given but it's pretty clear that some of you don't do the same.
Great stuff, really.
He played about 10 times better than your hero played last night. Wasting my time even attempting to dispute that is funny. Then again, it's you.
Yeah, I've seen him do that a few times. Has emotional tantrums everytime somebody points out that Ronaldo played badly in a match, and then accuses everybody of hoping that he'd fail, while seeming very panicked as he furiously types.
Not sure whether I find it disturbing or funny. I've never seen fanboys like this lot in sports before. Not in basketball. Not in tennis. Not anywhere. A few of the Ronaldo fanboys on here are a special case, altogether.
They are a sect. Me parecen un culto
All your other posts don't really play a good part in selling that story. You're pulling a Zehner.
Noone spends this long arguing about this while being unbiased.
Cal still posting that Roma miss even after Ronaldo's last night is laughable.
All it does is prove that a) both guys are human and do miss chances and b) one guy's team bailed him out while the others folded like a deck chair.
All it does is prove that a) both guys are human and do miss chances and b) one guy's team bailed him out while the others folded like a deck chair.
Yes, I am very emotional right now... so many emotional tantrums...
Así así, así gana el Madrid.
Para siempre
You know who you're rooting for in the final yet?
And Ronaldo has found another way to score even more without having to dribble much.
Messi could be on the bench and you'd claim he performed better than Ronaldo. If he played well against Roma, the only conclusion is that Messi on a good day isn't all that good. I'm actually complimenting your god in saying he played badly in Rome.
Ronaldo's miss was much harder than that Messi one in Rome.
You just quoted yourself
Both were sitters that they would've scored 99 times out of 100.
Difference is when Messi misses it's a case of him 'choking'. Be consistent with your standards and analysis.
99 times out of 100 for a volley??
The difference is Messi was facing elimination, got that chance, and choked.
Ronaldo was not in a position to go out of the competition at any point last night.
Or I'm being completely honest and all that's happening is that you are projecting. If you need to insinuate that I'm lying to make your point then you've already lost.
As for being biased, of course I'm biased in the discussion about who's the best because I favor Messi, but that doesn't mean that I want Ronaldo to fail which is what you accused me of. Messi accomplishments alone is enough for me, I don't need Ronaldo to fail to make the case that Messi is the better player.
Which is not only false but also completely irrelevant in regards to whether dribbling is efficient or not. It's almost as if you're trying to make terrible arguments intentionally.
Look at it this way, it's the 80th minute, you're 1-0 down, teammates are distraught and no one is motivated. Who do you want on your team?
Nah. Messi was on the run, through a crowded box with players around him.
Ronaldo was unmarked, stood still and it had all the pace from the cross - he just had to get it on target.
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Both bad misses and neither one was 'much harder' than the other but I think the Messi one was more difficult, also worth noting he had to create it himself (with some help from some woeful defending)
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How is it irrelevant? The point of football is to score goals, not to dribble.
The more goals scored = better.
Messi "created" that chance as much as the Roma defenders "created" that chance for him.
Yeah I know. Thought it was pretty relevant to the discussion.
I'll agree with you on that, but I will disagree on your notion that Ronaldo's chance was much harder than Messi's and I don't think you'll find anyone that agrees with you.
Let's just agree to disagree on that. Personally I think volleys are always much harder than controlling a bouncing ball.
Di Stefano mainly played as a forward (or no 10).
But his style of play involved him more on build up, than just cherry pick at home.
That Trump tag fits you like a glove since you seem to live in your own little world. I mean what has "the point of football" got to do with dribbling?
Ronaldo being able to score goals without dribbling IS irrelevant to the fact that other players would score and create less if they were worse dribblers. It has literally got nothing whatsoever to do with it and how you even get to that point is beyond me. Also, saying that dribbling is not the point of football in an attempt to downplay its importance is one of the most bizarre arguments I've ever heard, even going by your golden standard.
Btw, the point of football is not to score goals, it's to win, and you don't do that by scoring goals only.
I give up.
You also need not to concede goals in order to win though
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Continue having your emotional outburst.
Yes, I am very emotional right now... so many emotional tantrums...
You know who you're rooting for in the final yet?
Continue having your emotional outburst.
You seem to have trouble with basic comprehension. Nobody is arguing that Messi had a bad day. He had a bad day - by his standards - which is miles better than the two matches Ronaldo played against Bayern.
Messi's bottom level is tiers ahead of your idol's. This shouldn't be complicated, even to you.
Says a guy whose tag line says "the Donald Trump of CR fans". You can't make this up.
Not surprised your perplexed and confused as always, either.
Because we have one stupid mod who is probably a Messi fan.
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