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In great form they are incredible, last season they were outstanding. This season they haven't been great and never really took control of a match. The only time Madrid properly controlled a big match this season was PSG away, Modric wasn't playing and there was no Neymar.
Well whatever they got, we need to inject that shit, because it's working.
Yeah, Ronaldo sure helped out in these 2 games. Just like he helped out in half of Madrid's CL finals with his invisible performances.
You're so biased it's hilarious.
He’s scored more than 1/2 of Madrid’s goals this CL. He’s 2 off of surpassing the total scored by Barca’s entire squad.
Ronaldo’s goal % for his teams goals is higher than anyone else’s. He carries Madrid. They rely on him to score more than any other player/teams. That’s just facts.
And again, enjoy lifting that Ronaldo finally didn’t score trophy after his historic record. How dare he not score
https://en.mediamass.net/people/bas-dost/sexiest-alive.html
Rated sexiest footballer alive for two years in a row by Glam'mag, the most highly rated magazine in history.
You need to get some glasses. I know he's bald now but that head is the most beautiful thing in Lisbon as far as I'm concerned.
My God with these guys. You're like a sect
What the feckhttps://en.mediamass.net/people/bas-dost/sexiest-alive.html
Rated sexiest footballer alive for two years in a row by Glam'mag, the most highly rated magazine in history.
You need to get some glasses. I know he's bald now but that head is the most beautiful thing in Lisbon as far as I'm concerned.
The red line being the key.
I don't think a volley is an easier chance than that one Messi scuffed.
Key is Ronaldo will go on to win another CL and that's all that matters in the end.
It shows that I laugh at your posts and that's about it.
If you want to actually argue for why you think Ronaldo is the better player then I'm all ears, but I don't think a lot of people take you seriously when you go about it the way you do. Especially when you've already admitted that you're wumming.
Don’t mention that though. It goes against their narrative.
Madrid got outplayed and were lucky to come out leading. Bayern should have scored an easy 3-4 goals and then some. That’s on Bayern, not this dumb narrative about Ronaldo’s teammates getting the W because they were shaky as well - it was on Bayern for not converting. Similarly Barca/Messi were crap but their opponents finished/scored so whatever you’re saying doesn’t hold much merit or mean much.
And for the hundredth time, this excuse Messi plays for some MLS calibre side...
Messi also has the higher scoring supporting cast/players on Barca compared to Ronaldo on Madrid. Look at each clubs leading goal scorers...Messi has players who score more than Ronaldo’s teammates do on Madrid but go on and make such a ludicrous statement if it means you keep floating in your boat.
^Ronaldo has scored over 50% of his teams goals and is well ahead of anyone on a team that’s scored over 20 goals (larger sample size). Yet Messi homers have the audacity to spew out that it’s more likely Madrid win when Ronaldo doesn’t score compared to Messi not scoring because CR7’s team relies less on him compared to Messi. Yea, that’s cute. Deluded opinion, meet facts.
Probably true, but that line is one of the key issues in this debate.
Ronaldo in the Euro final v Messi in the Copa final
What’s with the quoting your own walls of text. It’s grating enough to have to read it once you know 
Hear hear.
It shows how concerned you are. And I never admitted to wumming since I’m not doing it; I admitted to dishing out what Messi fans used to serve and them not being able to take it. That’s just things coming full circle and them labeling us whatever because it hurts their feelings and narrative.
I’ve already shared my thoughts on that before:
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Honestly speaking, to me Ronaldo is unequivocally the best goal scoring machine in history. Messi has an argument for most talented/gifted in history but it’s not black and white. Ronaldo is also the best big game performer in the world today without question. The “best player”, that’ll always be up for interpretation and debate
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Messi is an entire assembly line himself.
Ronaldo is the one that just puts snap buttons on cloths at the end of the assembly line.
Ronaldo is the one that just puts snap buttons on cloths at the end of the assembly line.
this fecking thread has some right gems in it, from both sets of fans.
Worth a good laugh though.
If Liverpool win the CL, I'm giving up football till next season.
That's nothing new but yes, I'm sure he'll be ready.
Liverpool is a very difficult match up for Madrid though, think if it happens is going to be a close final and probably one of the most entertaining ones ever.
I would have thought it was quite obvious that if one player has played significantly more games than another then directly comparing their total career record is quite misleading.so it's assists per game now. nice shifting of goal posts
Ronaldo has significantly more appearances than Messi in the Champions League, around 25% more, and more than any other player in Champions League history. So you can't directly compare their totals as obviously it's a skewed comparison. The same would apply to their total goals record, as Ronaldo is over two years older, and has racked up many more appearances than Messi.
All you can do is compare like with like, and when you do this, as I've already demonstrated, Messi has quite consistently outperformed Ronaldo in every statistical category. No-one can say otherwise, or contradict anything in my post.
If you want to believe that Ronaldo is a better player than Messi then that's fine, that's your right, but at least learn to debate properly and use logic.
To base which player is better than another on such raw statistics in one competition is stupid anyway. Based on total CL goals, Benzema is a better player than Thierry Henry, Andriy Shevchenko, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Robert Lewandowski, Didier Drogba, Alessandro del Piero, Gerd Muller, Sergio Aguero, Samuel Eto'o, Rivaldo, Neymar, etc. Does anyone actually believe that?
Messi has 1 poor game vs Roma and he gets criticised by the usual suspects in this thread. Ronaldo has 3 poor CL games in a row and the same people defend him. How can you criticise Messi for the Roma game but not use the same metric for Ronaldo. After all I thought the latter stages were Ronaldo’s bread and butter.
When Messi is poor he doesn’t look dreadful or go missing. When Ronaldo is poor you wouldn’t notice he was even playing some times.
When Messi is poor he doesn’t look dreadful or go missing. When Ronaldo is poor you wouldn’t notice he was even playing some times.
What?! Talk about lying through you teeth to make your point.
Ronaldo has 21.6% more appearances in the CL.
Ronaldo 34 assists in 152 appearances = 0.224 assists per match
Messi 26 assists in 125 appearances = 0.208 assists per match
https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeAppearances?comp_code=UCL
Messi has NOT outperformed Ronaldo in every category, and everyone can say otherwise, because it's quite easy to google.
What?! Talk about lying through you teeth to make your point.
Ronaldo has 21.6% more appearances in the CL.
Ronaldo 34 assists in 152 appearances = 0.224 assists per match
Messi 26 assists in 125 appearances = 0.208 assists per match
https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeAppearances?comp_code=UCL
Messi has NOT outperformed Ronaldo in every category, and everyone can say otherwise, because it's quite easy to google.
“but at least learn to debate properly and use logic.”
I looooooove this game !
All you are doing is repeating what I already said. I already stated that Ronaldo has a marginally better assists-per-game record in the Champions League. Just as Messi has a better goals-per-game record in the Champions League (0.8 vs 0.78).What?! Talk about lying through you teeth to make your point.
Ronaldo has 21.6% more appearances in the CL.
Ronaldo 34 assists in 152 appearances = 0.224 assists per match
Messi 26 assists in 125 appearances = 0.208 assists per match
https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeAppearances?comp_code=UCL
Messi has NOT outperformed Ronaldo in every category, and everyone can say otherwise, because it's quite easy to google.
Secondly, Messi HAS outperformed Ronaldo in every conceivable statistical category, as I've already proved this here:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/messi-v-ronaldo.400526/page-250#post-22475736
Both you and another poster suggested that I'd ignored the Champions League (which I didn't), but we've now established that Messi has a marginally better scoring record than Ronaldo in the Champions League, and Ronaldo has a marginally better assists record.
In Spanish domestic football, Messi is ahead in every category, consistently, over a ten-year period.
Messi quite clearly has a much better skillset than Ronaldo.
In head-to-head games, Messi has outperformed Ronaldo, and Barcelona are miles ahead of Real Madrid in these games.
I'm repeating myself by saying this, as I've already said it and demonstrated it, and no-one can provide any reasonable argument against it. Because there isn't one.
As I also said previously, the only way you can claim Ronaldo is a better player than Messi is if Real win the Champions League. You could then state that he has won the Champions League more than Messi, which makes him better, and put forward some spurious argument about him performing better in big games.
You would then also have to ignore the fact that Messi has dominated Spanish football and continually outperformed Ronaldo, has won more overall, has won far more in Spanish domestic football over these years than Ronaldo, or attempt to deflate the importance of this, while also amplifying the importance of Ronaldo having one more Champions League winners medal, and explaining away the fact that Messi has outperformed him in domestic football and head-to-head matches, which constitutes around 80% of their careers.
You could also mention that Portugal won the Euros, and claim that this was primarily due to Ronaldo, despite only playing well in one game, and ignore the fact that Messi's performances in the Copa America and World Cup have been far better, and he's won two player of the tournament awards.
I believe Messi is better because:
- He has a better, and actually completely unique, skillset and is demonstrably a better footballer;
- He has done things on the field of play that Ronaldo, and no-one else can do, and has done these things on a very consistent basis throughout his career;
- He has consistently outperformed Ronaldo over the best part of a decade, dominating Spanish football;
- He has done this despite the fact that his position on the field means that he is at a disadvantage in some statistical categories;
- He has won far more than Ronaldo, and been absolutely instrumental in these victories;
- He has dominated head-to-head meetings with Real and Ronaldo, proving decisive on numerous occasions, and turning in numerous incredible performances, such as when Barca beat Real 3-2 at the end of last season.
- He has a better assists-per-game record in the Champions League, although Messi has around 60% more assists and way, way more key passes and dribbles during their time as rivals in Spain;
- He has scored more goals in the Champions League, although Messi has a better goals-per-game ratio, and doesn't play as an out-and-out poacher as Ronaldo does;
- Ronaldo has won the Champions League more (although he hasn't achieved this yet);
- Portugal won the Euros, and Ronaldo was sat on the bench at the time.
Your whole basis of argument is the career stats because Messi's were greatly aided by playing fewer games at an younger age and playing for a much more dominant side. Fine
If I was concerned about your troll arguments then I wouldn't laugh at them.
What I am actually concerned about is your "an eye for an eye" approach that you're describing here. You make it sound as if you couldn't take what people said about Ronaldo and that it hurt your feelings so now you want "revenge".. and if that's the case then maybe you should take a step back and try to not be so upset about what complete strangers say about a football player on the internet.
I’ve already shared my thoughts on that before:
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Honestly speaking, to me Ronaldo is unequivocally the best goal scoring machine in history. Messi has an argument for most talented/gifted in history but it’s not black and white. Ronaldo is also the best big game performer in the world today without question. The “best player”, that’ll always be up for interpretation and debate
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Look at that, you can actually act like an adult when you choose to. You should do that more often.
Di Stefano mainly played as a forward (or no 10).
What are you supposed to base the comparison on? I'm not allowed to take Messi's career into consideration because he's younger than Ronaldo, and has played for a better team (although he doesn't now)? If we're not allowed to look at that then what are we supposed to look at? Just discount Messi's entire career and all of his performances because he was too young and his team was too good!
Maybe what we should do is discount all of Messi's good performances, include all of his bad performances, discount all of Ronaldo's bad performances, only count his good performances, disregard all of Messi's achievements, and count all of Ronaldo's achievements!
Wow, I've just looked back at their careers, and Messi has never scored a goal for Barcelona, and they've never won a trophy! I don't know how he gets in the team! I've heard rumours that he's scored 640 for club and country and provided over 200 assists, but we can discount all of those, obviously!
Why when you guys compare them never use what Ronaldo won at United? Is because he proved he can play in 2 different teams in different leagues?
I wonder if you get the irony at all. You go on about their whole careers, then spend most of that big wall of text going on about Spanish domestic football.So what is it? Their whole career, including Ronaldo dominating the EPL, or just La Liga?
The whistle was blown for handball, stop agenda pushing Cal it's pathetic with this video
What whistle?
2:50 in the clip above. Stop lying to cover for your idol.
Ok yeah it was a fan whistling I think, still he was off balance after dribbling through 3-4 players it was quite unlucky
Maybe because Messi's poor performance against Roma helped them throw away a 3 goal lead and get knocked out of the Champions League, by an average Roma side, in the quarter finals and for Ronaldo's poor performances he is still heading to his 4th Champions League final in 5 seasons?
Ronaldo was invisible it was a terrible performance and he was a passenger for the whole game, Messi is never a passenger in a game like Ronaldo is
There were 21 players on the pitch who had more influence in Real going through than Cristiano in the last two games. Messi's performance against Roma was bad, especially for his standards, but still much better than Ronaldo's.
"he"... Real Madrid is heading to a final, not just CR and that's certainly the main difference, Real Madrid has in recent years more big game players (just look at Ramos impact for example) than Barca and this is showing in the CL.
Messi has to carry Barca pretty much all of the time while it's not that extreme with Real/CR (he is still hugely important but Real doesn't Need him to function as a team).
You guys seems to think that "more involved = better", which I simply cannot agree with.
Not involved >>>> Messing up
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