Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[VancouverUtdFan]

How many times has ronaldo won the treble?

Talk about reaching and desperate. Like that takes away from Messi’s choke and Ronaldo’s historic run.

How many times has Messi won a title internationally? How about Ronaldo? Don’t know what relevance it has at this time but hey I’m just doing what you are

 

[Pink Moon]

Now he's playing for the better team, for their whole careers it's obviously not the case in the slightest both at club and national team level.

The here and now is all that matters given my point is that he only has the numerical advantage because of the past few seasons where his side has absolutely dominated the tournament.

Madrid are a great side. You don't face PSG, Juventus and Bayern Munich and still reach the final if you aren't.

 

[Pink Moon]

Talk about reaching and desperate. Like that takes away from Messi’s choke and Ronaldo’s historic run.

How many times has Messi won a title internationally? How about Ronaldo? Don’t know what relevance it has at this time but hey I’m just doing what you are

Would you say Ronaldo choked tonight? Anonymous all game but got one chance put on a plate for him and he blasted it miles over from about 6 yards out. Only difference is his teammates bailed him out.

Genuine question btw.

 

[Peyroteo]

The here and now is all that matters given my point is that he only has the numerical advantage because of the past few seasons where his side has absolutely dominated the tournament.

Yes, but when Barcelona were great they didn't dominate the tournament. Can you imagine if Ronaldo had this team around him during his prime years?

Madrid are a great side. You don't face PSG, Juventus and Bayern Munich and still reach the final if you aren't.

Yes, you do. It just happened. Timely goals, timely injuries, timely red cards...

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Would you say Ronaldo choked tonight? Anonymous all game but got one chance put on a plate for him and he blasted it miles over from about 6 yards out. Only difference is his teammates bailed him out.

Genuine question btw.

This is my thought.

Don’t mind him, he says that any time Ronaldo doesn’t score. It’s his go to delusion.

Ronaldo made his runs, got little service, tracked back, made nice through balls for his teammates. His side are through to the final for the 3rd straight year.

‘wOrSt GaMe IvE sEeN bY a PlAyEr’

The salt is real

The historic run continues. Could care less of people whining in the background showing how concerned they are over one’s success.


Winners focus on winning.

Losers focus on winners.

 

[Pocho]

It was a pretty poor performance, but let's not pretend Messi is great all the time.

He's not but he is not invisible when things go wrong

 

[Zlaatan]

Yes, but when Barcelona were great they didn't dominate the tournament. Can you imagine if Ronaldo had this team around him during his prime years?



Yes, you do. It just happened. Timely goals, timely injuries, timely red cards...

They've had luck on their side this year no doubt but you don't reach 4 CL finals in 5 years if you're not an exeptional team.

 

[Pocho]

Would you say Ronaldo choked tonight? Anonymous all game but got one chance put on a plate for him and he blasted it miles over from about 6 yards out. Only difference is his teammates bailed him out.

Genuine question btw.

He's teammates have been bailing out Ronaldo for a decade almost.

 

[Peyroteo]

They've had luck on their side this year no doubt but you don't reach 4 CL finals in 5 years if you're not an exeptional team.

In 2013/14 and 2016/17 they were great. In 2015/16 and 2017/18 not at all.

 

[Peyroteo]

He's teammates have been bailing out Ronaldo for a decade almost.

It's because Ronaldo makes the teammates around him better

 

[adexkola]

They've had luck on their side this year no doubt but you don't reach 4 CL finals in 5 years if you're not an exeptional team.

That's too simplistic of a view to gauge their quality on "4 finals in 5 years".

 

[NoLogo]

He's not but he is not invisible when things go wrong

But that's also due to being much more involved in the build up process than Ronaldo, as a striker you are almost always going to be invisible if your team doesn't create many chances as compared to Messi who will still be involved more in the overall play of his team.

 

[Pink Moon]

This is my thought.



The historic run continues. Could care less of people whining in the background showing how concerned they are over one’s success.


Winners focus on winning.

Losers focus on winners.

Yeah but be serious for a minute, would you say Ronaldo choked tonight? He was anonymous all game but got one huge chance and completely fecked it up.

For what it's worth, I'm not saying he choked. I'm just wondering if you think he did.

 

[Pink Moon]

That's too simplistic of a view to gauge their quality on "4 finals in 5 years".

I don't think it is.

I've long argued that the CL has overtaken the WC as the pinnacle of football these days given the finances in the game allow for super teams to form. For a team to be so consistent and dominant speaks volumes of their quality, IMO.

 

[Pocho]

But that's also due to being much more involved in the build up process than Ronaldo, as a striker you are almost always going to be invisible if your team doesn't create many chances as compared to Messi who will still be involved more in the overall play of his team.

And that is why he is a much better player than Ronaldo and that' s why he scores less sometimes.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Edit: @Pink Moon


Delirious thoughts of choking when he played his part as part of the winning side.

Think about that

Hate to burst your bubble but that’s not choking and don’t think you know what that word means. This won’t at all be a defining moment in Ronaldo’s legacy. People won’t remember this and hold it against him. Choking to Roma up 3 goals? People will always remember that.

The fact we are having to explain such common sense stuff my goodness hahah

 

[barros]

Yeah but be serious for a minute, would you say Ronaldo choked tonight? He was anonymous all game but got one huge chance and completely fecked it up.

For what it's worth, I'm not saying he choked. I'm just wondering if you think he did.

He didn’t choke the players around him choked because they never passes the ball to him besides the one he missed

 

[Cal?]

Messi in Rome was ten times better than your idol was tonight. And it isn't even close.

Messi in Roma just gave the ball away a lot and came up with this dreadful finish when presented with a big big chance.

He's not but he is not invisible when things go wrong

He just makes things worse by giving the ball away and dribbling down blind alleys.

It's not. Real have been better than Barcelona for a few years now.

I know your implication is that Ronaldo is so much better that he's taken his teams to the final while Messi has fallen short. It is of course a ridiculous time to imply such a thing given he's been anonymous in both legs of the semi final v a top class Bayern Munich side and yet they've still qualified for the final.

Messi in 2010? 2012? He had much better team mates than Ronaldo does now and failed to make the final.

No pretending. You don't stand on the cusp of winning the Champions League 3 times in a row if you aren't a great team.

It is a reflection of the quality of their teams as evidenced by the fact Ronaldo only has that numerical advantage because of the recent seasons where they've dominated the CL. Simply put, Ronaldo plays for the better team. No matter which side of the debate you come down on that should be the one thing all of us agree on.

Shocker that players are more successful with better team mates, but the point is that Ronaldo has done better when he has the better team mates in the last few seasons than Messi did 09-12.

 

[Zlaatan]

That's too simplistic of a view to gauge their quality on "4 finals in 5 years".

Is it? They've won 14 out of 15 CL knock out ties in the past 5 years. How many teams come even close to that in the modern era, let alone teams that aren't considered exeptional?

 

[adexkola]

Is it? They've won 14 out of 15 CL knock out ties in the past 5 years. How many teams come even close to that in the modern era, let alone teams that aren't considered exeptional?

Yes. It would be sufficient if I didn't watch them play some of those ties at a level below what I would deem "exceptional".

I'm having trouble articulating this but I don't think they are as good as "4 finals in 5 years" suggests.

 

[Zlaatan]

Edit: @Pink Moon


Delirious thoughts of choking when he played his part as part of the winning side.

Think about that

Hate to burst your bubble but that’s not choking and don’t think you know what that word means. This won’t at all be a defining moment in Ronaldo’s legacy. People won’t remember this and hold it against him. Choking to Roma up 3 goals? People will always remember that.

The fact we are having to explain such common sense stuff my goodness hahah

Please never stop with these type of posts, they are comedy gold.

 

[Stocar]

In 2013/14 and 2016/17 they were great. In 2015/16 and 2017/18 not at all.

They've been very good all the time, not much difference between any of those seasons. It's just made up narratives. They've had periods of bad games in the league, but were generally able to challenge Barca. Ultimately they were lacking that bit of consistency that Barca have solely because of Messi. While in Europe, for all their qualities (great balance, squad depth, character), they've simply been incredibly lucky. You can't say they didn't deserve any of those titles, but how they come out on top among that many evenly matched teams, in that type of competition, is a mystery.

 

[Ban]

Why do Ronaldo fans have the need to underrate Madrid team. It's a great team ffs, Modrić, Kroos, Marcelo, Ronaldo of course, Navas, Varane.. Saying it's a great team doesn't take anything from Ronaldo. But it's as if they want to portray it as some poor team which can't do anything without Ronaldo. Granted they haven't been anything special this year but they still got to the final via some good teams in the process. And on paper it's a damn good team. Best forward in the world, best of one of the best midfielders in the world, best LB in the world and damn good rest of the defense.
Madrid will be in it's 3 final in a row, 4th in 5 year and supposedly is not a great team..

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

252 pages, come down to....

1. Ronaldos better, scored more, longer career, has an Intl medal. I hate Messi, Barca team carried him
2. Messis better, makes his own goals, does things noone else can. I hate Ronaldo, just finishes other players hard work

 

[Pocho]

Messi in Roma just gave the ball away a lot and came up with this dreadful finish when presented with a big big chance.


He just makes things worse by giving the ball away and dribbling down blind alleys.

Messi in 2010? 2012? He had much better team mates than Ronaldo does now and failed to make the final.

Shocker that players are more successful with better team mates, but the point is that Ronaldo has done better when he has the better team mates in the last few seasons than Messi did 09-12.

Please don't tell me your comparing that situation with the one Ronaldo fecked today!

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Is it? They've won 14 out of 15 CL knock out ties in the past 5 years. How many teams come even close to that in the modern era, let alone teams that aren't considered exeptional?

It’s almost as if Madrid have some sort of exceptional player on their team? One who’s the greatest CL player in history?

If that’s the case, I’d wager that helps them. Just a thought.

 

[Peyroteo]

They've been very good all the time, not much difference between any of those seasons. It's just made up narratives. They've had periods of bad games in the league, but were generally able to challenge Barca. Ultimately they were lacking that bit of consistency that Barca have solely because of Messi. While in Europe, for all their qualities (great balance, squad depth, character), they've most of all simply been incredibly lucky.

That's not true, ask any Madrid fan. This season and 2015/16 they've been poor throughout while in 2013/14 and 2016/17 it was the opposite. There was no luck involved with them winning the CL last season, everyone agreed they were the best team in the world.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

Please never stop with these type of posts, they are comedy gold.

Please never stop with these replies.

Shows the Messi homers unwillingness to grasp reality.

 

[Daysleeper]

and alongside a striker that's now scored an impressive...11 goals this season

And the greatest midfield in the world to boot

 

[Peyroteo]

Why do Ronaldo fans have the need to underrate Madrid team. It's a great team ffs, Modrić, Kroos, Marcelo, Ronaldo of course, Navas, Varane.. Saying it's a great team doesn't take anything from Ronaldo. But it's as if they want to portray it as some poor team which can't do anything without Ronaldo. Granted they haven't been anything special this year but they still got to the final via some good teams in the process. And on paper it's a damn good team. Best forward in the world, best of one of the best midfielders in the world, best LB in the world and damn good rest of the defense.
Madrid will be in it's 3 final in a row, 4th in 5 year and supposedly is not a great team..

Through the 5 years they've been a great team. This year they haven't been a great team.

If they had kept Morata it could have easily been 5/5 finals. Then you go back to 2012/13 or 2011/12 and with some more luck it could have been something like 7 finals in a row by a team that really hasn't been good enough to pull something like that.

 

[Peyroteo]

And the greatest midfield in the world to boot

When was the last time you saw Madrid dominate the midfield?

 

[In Rainbows]

It’s almost as if Madrid have some sort of exceptional player on their team? One who’s the greatest CL player in history?

If that’s the case, I’d wager that helps them. Just a thought.

Yeah, Ronaldo sure helped out in these 2 games. Just like he helped out in half of Madrid's CL finals with his invisible performances.

You're so biased it's hilarious.

 

[Ban]

Through the 5 years they've been a great team. This year they haven't been a great team.

On paper it's a great team still, not in particulary good form, but still great.

 

[Daysleeper]

Just how Messi was horrid in Rome? or how about Chelsea in 2012? im sorry who is going to the final again ? for the third time in a row ? I know what you will say " he did not score in the semi finals" Madrid would not even be here had he not been on the team and that is FACT. They also would not have been in 3 back to back or have won the other 2 had it not been for him either. So please stop using this game as a "reason" to day "Messi" is better when we all know he is not. Good day sir.

They also would have two less CL’s if it wasn’t for Ramos

 

[KirkDuyt]

Some people here are seriously underrating Real. No discredit to Ronny intended, but he was balls tonight, he has one job and that’s scoring, now he disnt get that much service, but that volley should’ve gone in.

Marcelo is the man of the tie against Bayern for me.

Ronaldo has a chance to shine again in the final. For now he should send some flowers to Ulreich and Rafinha for giving him a chance to expand his legacy.

Be that as it may, being shit in the semi’s is still better than not making the semi’s. So for this debate it really doesnt change anything in favor of Messi. It just underlines the fact that Ronaldo without the goals is about as beneficial to your team as playing Bas Dost. Though Dost doesnt have the pretty face and coupe soleil.

 

[Daysleeper]

When was the last time you saw Madrid dominate the midfield?

Modric is incredible as is Kroos, Madrid are much more balanced than Barca

 

[Zlaatan]

Yes. It would be sufficient if I didn't watch them play some of those ties at a level below what I would deem "exceptional".

I'm having trouble articulating this but I don't think they are as good as "4 finals in 5 years" suggests.

While I actually agree with you on that as they imo don't really deserve to be in the final this year for example it still speaks volumes that they continue to go through again and again. Finding a way to win even when you're not the better team is a huge strenght, and if it happens once or twice (Chelsea in 2012 is a great example) then fair enough, but if you find a way to win 14/15 ties over a 5 year period against some of the best teams in the world then there must be something more to it.

 

[Peyroteo]

Some people here are seriously underrating Real. No discredit to Ronny intended, but he was balls tonight, he has one job and that’s scoring, now he disnt get that much service, but that volley should’ve gone in.

Marcelo is the man of the tie against Bayern for me.

Ronaldo has a chance to shine again in the final. For now he should send some flowers to Ulreich and Rafinha for giving him a chance to expand his legacy.

Be that as it may, being shit in the semi’s is still better than not making the semi’s. So for this debate it really doesnt change anything in favor of Messi. It just underlines the fact that Ronaldo without the goals is about as beneficial to your team as playing Bas Dost. Though Dost doesnt have the pretty face and coupe soleil.

Take that back

 

[adexkola]

I don't think it is.

I've long argued that the CL has overtaken the WC as the pinnacle of football these days given the finances in the game allow for super teams to form. For a team to be so consistent and dominant speaks volumes of their quality, IMO.

It's a cup competition at the end of the day. And a lot of people mistake the glamour with the quality.

I think it's insane to say Real are not a quality team. I also think it's equally extreme to put them on a stratospheric level as well. They haven't been that good. And they've received some good breaks along the way.

 

[KirkDuyt]

Hilarious how over the top you are with that game. Miles better than Messi in Rome for starts.

I guess Ulreich isnt an elite player, but he gets the nod for biggest brainfart on the big stage imo.

Worst elite player performance ever might be Robben in the CL final against Chelsea or Casillas when Holland beat Spain 5-1.

As for Messi in Rome, I guess not being a factor in the game trumps fecking up, but they both missed a big chance, Ronaldo’s being a much bigger chance. They’re through though, so who gives a feck. No one will remember how he played today if they win the cup. He will have 15 goals and that’s that.