Did you see Ronaldo against Bayern, all those matches? or the hat-trick against Wolfsburg to turn the tie on its head?
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Yes. Not as good as Messi in that final.
No, I haven't done that at all.
I mean, an opinion is an opinion but that's laughable. Unless you mean just for Portugal?
You're entitled to your opinion.
Sir Alex got his tactics all wrong that game and played exactly how Barca wanted us to play.
I'd put Ronaldo v Juve ahead of United at Wembley. VDS let his shot go through him while I'd even put Busquets / Xavi and Iniesta ahead of him on that night anyway.
Messi away v Madrid in the semi was a better performance.
Messi away v Madrid in the semi was a better performance.
Fecking hell, don't even want to remember that lineup, did we make any shot on goal?
Only thing I remember is we scored 7 goals vs North Korea on that tournament and only suffered 1 goal vs Spain. Oh the other 3 games we didn't scored nothing, poor North Koreans must have faced a tough time coming back home.
Now I remember, someting like Bruno Alves, Ricardo Carvalho, Ricardo Costa and other bloke. And this guys want me to take them seriously?
Imagine Messi instead Di Maria having Duda, Danny or Hugo Almeida? Even if Queiroz was better than Maradona, a difficult person to like must be said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/30/north-korea-footballers-public-mauling
I hated Queiroz as a manager here, not just because of his tactics but the whole thing. Especially after Scolari who was pretty much the opposite personality wise
2018 and there still exist people who think CR is better.
Good player, one of the best. But Messi is something more. It's that simple.
Good player, one of the best. But Messi is something more. It's that simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Lionel_Messi
Some interesting facts: actually Messi scored goals against good NT, while we have to keep in mind the South American qualifiers don't have crap teams like Andorra or whatever.
3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, but not in qualifiers, would like to know how many times he played against Brazil in the SAQF.
The other factor neglected is Messi can play with players like Higuain, Aguero or others, while Cristiano had to play with awfull players like Postiga, Éder, André Silva, even Pauleta or Nuno Gomes compared to the players who played alongside Messi are a joke.
@Daysleeperhe scored 3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, don't twist facts. Ok, actually 4 because he scored 1 more in another friendly, I guess he shits himself when he has to play them when it really matters.
Awful players hahaha those awful players won a euro title with ronaldo hardly playing.
Argentina without Messi are FAR worse than Portugal without Ronaldo
I’m also on 5 posts a day max so if I don’t respond it’s because I have reached my limit.
By the way, I genuinely think Ronaldo is a phenomenal player and his CL run in 2016 was absolutely insane.
It's not even freaking close, the only problem here is that there are people talking about Portugal who do not even watch Portugal play.
I think the same. Argentina without Messi does not qualify for the World Cup. Only has to see the matches with and without him. The poinst difference is amazing.
Portugal won a Euro, that was a merit. But CR no was the star. Pepe, Guerreiro, Renato Sanches have a better tournament imho. The best moment of CR in the Euro was that goal vs Wales... A national team who not play a international tournament since WC 1958 before Euro 2016.
What kind of rubbish is this lol. Cristiano featured 20 minutes in the final. Eder actually scored so yeah maybe it would be good. You're just deliberately naming the worse Portuguese players when you could mention Mario, Sanches (had a very good tournament), Nani, Quaresma, and Pepe who by the way was the best player that tournament.
Is that Joao Mario and Renato Sanches? Yeah... great players. One's on Swansea's bench, the other's on West Ham's bench.
Nani had a very good tournament but he's simply not good enough, Quaresma didn't even start and Pepe was good but had plenty of mistakes. Our best defensive game in the whole tournament was when Pepe didn't play and we replaced him with Bruno fecking Alves.. the guy who isn't good enough to play for Rangers. Then in the final Pepe made about 3 blunders that should have been goals and Patricio was our best player that night. In fact, our best player that night was called Luck.
Pepe, Nani and Ronaldo were our 3 best players and none were better than the others, they all stepped up at different times. Anyone who even thinks Portugal's squad is close in quality to Argentina's either doesn't watch enough football or has a very clear agenda.
And Portugal without Ronaldo does?? We would have missed 3 of the last 4 tournaments at least.
Wales were a great team in the Euros and the game was completely balanced until Ronaldo scored one of the greatest headers I've ever seen and assisted Nani for the 2-0. Then it was game over. Them not being in the tournament since 1958 is irrelevant, they made it to the semis for a reason.
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Seriously? The quality of the opposition?
Messi in the Copa 16? Mighty Panama, Venezuela and USA - 2 of those have failed to qualify for the WC 1 year on.
Copa 2015? Paraguay ONLY, 1 goal in the entire tournament - who have also failed to qualify for the WC 2 years on.
World Cup 2014? Bonsia, Iran and Nigeria, nothing in any of the knockout stage. If it wasn't go Higuain, the person Messi fans seem to blame for Messi's continual failure at the international stage, they might not even have beaten Belgium.
I remember Jose’s fc Porto winning the cl but at the same time rm’s galasticos assembled in 2009 struggle for so long to make it past the last 16
On paper Argentina are a better side but performance wise they are just awful, without Messi they’d be by far the worst team among the top nations
Got to love the cr fanboys, the poll is overwhelmingly in favour of Messi yet these guys argue that cr is better as if it were a fact
On paper Argentina are a better side but performance wise they are just awful, without Messi they’d be by far the worst team among the top nations
Got to love the cr fanboys, the poll is overwhelmingly in favour of Messi yet these guys argue that cr is better as if it were a fact
Comments like this really boil my piss, as thought it’s an outrageous opinion to think Ronaldo is the better player. It’s so so close now, probably the closest it’s ever been so it’s a bit silly to pretend a debate doesn’t exist when you could make compelling arguments for both sides.
Personally prefer Ronaldo because of the fact that he owns the CL knockouts, he’s been far more decisive in that stage of the tournament than Messi imo.
One is one of the greatest goal scorers of all time and a true world class athlete.
The other is not a normal footballer, I simply refuse to believe there was ever anyone who was as good in football as Messi.
The other is not a normal footballer, I simply refuse to believe there was ever anyone who was as good in football as Messi.
I think most people forgot apart from the 3 goals scored in Euro 16, Ronaldo also provide 3 assists too.
I understand he is not one of the greatest playmaker around like Messi, but people just tend to forget/ignore all the assists he provided.
There used to be a time (pre 2012) when Messi was well ahead of Ronaldo, winning more trophies and more Ballon D'or (4-1)
Since then, Ronaldo has won 3 more CL, Euro and 4 more Ballon D'or to make it (5-5). And that all happened during Messi prime years too.
So it isn't as ridiculous as it sound for some people to think Ronaldo is better when they are doing the comparison in 2018, and espcially when we've seen Ronaldo won 4 Ballon D'or over Messi in past 5 years.
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People really talk like messi has been scoring loads of goals against quality opposition.
In international football, you don't face quality teams every time. It's not Ronaldo's fault that he faced poor teams in the euros. Still people will find the arguments to belittle his achievements. The same people who claim that winning trophies is the ultimate aim. Unfortunately for them, Portugal won.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/rona...he-best-stats-goals/pl0j1he59li01ik32p8d3sp1b
Talk about delivering when it matters, Why isn’t this talked about more often?
King of the Classico and yes the only things that matter is when cr looks a little better in those
Talk about delivering when it matters, Why isn’t this talked about more often?
King of the Classico and yes the only things that matter is when cr looks a little better in those
I’d just like to add that Messi’s supposedly great record against Brazil (4 goals) all came in friendlies. He’s never scored against them in any competitive match, despite playing them many times in so many qualifiers.
No one denies that Barca seem to get the better of Real more often than not (reflected in their title wins in the past decade).
Portugal drew all their group games meaning those equalising goals were still crucial.
And he scored the opening goal against Wales not the 2nd goal (which he assisted btw).
Thing is Portugal faced tougher competition in the KO rounds of Euro ‘16 than Argentina did in the Copa of that same year. Croatia and Poland are far stronger than Venezuela & USA. Wales in ‘16 played above their usual level (spanked Belgium 4-1 in the quarters) and would certainly beat the likes of USA, Venezuela and México at the time. Not to mention, the Copa usually has one less game en route to the final than the Euros (after group stage you’re immediately in the QF) meaning it’s easier to go all the way
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Anyone who thinks that Portugal would have won the euro without Ronaldo in the squad is quite clearly just dumb, I’m sorry to say. It’s one thing saying they won the final without him but winning the tournament without him? Moronic to say the least. They scored 9 goals in the tournament (8 with him on the pitch) of which he contributed 6 goals (3 goals 3 assists).
The 3 best players for us were Pepe, Nani with 3 goals and 3 assists, and Cristiano with 3 goals and 1 or 2 assists.Patricio in the final also was good for us while Guerreiro wasn't consistent during the entire tournament.What kind of rubbish is this lol. Cristiano featured 20 minutes in the final. Eder actually scored so yeah maybe it would be good. You're just deliberately naming the worse Portuguese players when you could mention Mario, Sanches (had a very good tournament), Nani, Quaresma, and Pepe who by the way was the best player that tournament.
Do I have to remeber you the names of the players who Messi had playing with him in the recent tournaments? Or you are going the easy route, blaming Higuain for the lack of titles Messi has at international level?
Don't even make me remember the total capitulation after he lost the Copa America Final, Cristiano wouldn't ever do such thing after losing.
Guerreiro wasnt consistent yet Ronaldo who was terrible first two games, can basically say missed the final but never mind he "willed them to victory" right ?
Name the players who played well instead. Football isn't won due to the team sheet. Mascherano was immense for Argentina, Di Maria was hot and cold. Besides that yes name the players who actually played well. Something you don't seem to understand is this Argentina team is a complete mess without Messi.
I think many people tend to reduce this discussion to goals although that's the wrong approach in my eyes. Yes, in the end the game is all about goals but in many occasions it is not the player that scored it/had the last contact before the ball passes the line who contributed the most to it. We all know the phrase "XYZ scored it but this goal clearly belongs to ZYX!" And the same goes for assists. A player that dribbles three opponent to create himself the space needed to pass through another two defenders in order to set up a goal contributed much more than someone who played a simple pass or flank. The game is just too complicated to capture a players performance in these two simple but most popular statistics. Messi himself recently said in an interview that he evaluates his games differently and occasionally he had bad games although he scored one or even multiple goals while others were good albeit he did not score at all.
In my opinion Cristiano can compete with Messi in pure goalscoring ability and maybe even edges it. They have similar statistics with Messi having the greater peak and Ronaldo having a better record in big games. His off the ball movement is simply unreal, his finishing in the box is superb and he really shines on the big stage. I can understand both sides in this regard since it is really close and whoever wins it does so by a very small margin.
However, in the GOAT discussion it is quite different for me. If you see those lists with the greatest players of their respective eras - Pele, Eusebio, Puskas, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Zico, Platini, Maradona, Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo Lima, Ronaldinho, Messi, Cristiano - it is clear that CR7 stands out because he is a different type of player than all the others.
In the past, the best player was almost never the one that scored the greatest amount of goals. In Germany, nobody regards Gerd Müller being better than Franz Beckenbauer. Eto'o or van Nistelroy were never held as high as Ronaldinho, Zidane or Ronaldo Lima. Historically, attributes like dribbling ability, passing, link up player and so on were much more important than goalscoring. And this is due to the dynamics I described initially: Yes, after all the team which scored more goals wins the match. But many times, it is not the scorer who contributed the most to a goal.
And for this reason, it has to be Messi. He is just so much more influential on the pitch. I think that the Manchester United Ronaldo was actually the best version of him and the one closest to Messi performance-wise. He may have scored slightly less but he was just so dangerous and completely able to create goals solely on his own. This style faded more and more during his time in Madrid. In terms of ball control, dribbling, playmaking, passing, combination play and so one Messi is miles ahead of him. And remember: Historically these attributes were much more important than goalscoring ability when talking about the best player.
And on top of that, Messi at least competes with Cristiano in raw output. However, he contributes so much more to the goals he scores and he also contributes more to the goals he does not score himself. Actually, he also initiates many goalscoring chances his team mates fail to convert. It is crazy that he still produces these kind of numbers while he plays like he plays currently. In a role that is more reminiscent of a CM than a false nine.
This is also what people mean when they say it is clear that Messi is the far better player when you see them play. I admire Ronaldo for this unbelievable goalscoring ability but for at least five years I do not enjoy seeing him play. It is more like "wow, he scored again, this guy is a complete freak of nature" but most often it is enough to watch highlight videos bcause apart from his goals there is nothing to miss in his game. With Messi its totally different. He almost never fails to completely amaze me with his plays. And the thing is, he is so efficient with it. Many greats had this moments of brillants that were somehow pointless. Like Ronaldinho (my favorite all time player) who sometimes did things just for the entertainment. But with Messi, everything he does has a purpose. Just brillant.
In my opinion Cristiano can compete with Messi in pure goalscoring ability and maybe even edges it. They have similar statistics with Messi having the greater peak and Ronaldo having a better record in big games. His off the ball movement is simply unreal, his finishing in the box is superb and he really shines on the big stage. I can understand both sides in this regard since it is really close and whoever wins it does so by a very small margin.
However, in the GOAT discussion it is quite different for me. If you see those lists with the greatest players of their respective eras - Pele, Eusebio, Puskas, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Zico, Platini, Maradona, Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo Lima, Ronaldinho, Messi, Cristiano - it is clear that CR7 stands out because he is a different type of player than all the others.
In the past, the best player was almost never the one that scored the greatest amount of goals. In Germany, nobody regards Gerd Müller being better than Franz Beckenbauer. Eto'o or van Nistelroy were never held as high as Ronaldinho, Zidane or Ronaldo Lima. Historically, attributes like dribbling ability, passing, link up player and so on were much more important than goalscoring. And this is due to the dynamics I described initially: Yes, after all the team which scored more goals wins the match. But many times, it is not the scorer who contributed the most to a goal.
And for this reason, it has to be Messi. He is just so much more influential on the pitch. I think that the Manchester United Ronaldo was actually the best version of him and the one closest to Messi performance-wise. He may have scored slightly less but he was just so dangerous and completely able to create goals solely on his own. This style faded more and more during his time in Madrid. In terms of ball control, dribbling, playmaking, passing, combination play and so one Messi is miles ahead of him. And remember: Historically these attributes were much more important than goalscoring ability when talking about the best player.
And on top of that, Messi at least competes with Cristiano in raw output. However, he contributes so much more to the goals he scores and he also contributes more to the goals he does not score himself. Actually, he also initiates many goalscoring chances his team mates fail to convert. It is crazy that he still produces these kind of numbers while he plays like he plays currently. In a role that is more reminiscent of a CM than a false nine.
This is also what people mean when they say it is clear that Messi is the far better player when you see them play. I admire Ronaldo for this unbelievable goalscoring ability but for at least five years I do not enjoy seeing him play. It is more like "wow, he scored again, this guy is a complete freak of nature" but most often it is enough to watch highlight videos bcause apart from his goals there is nothing to miss in his game. With Messi its totally different. He almost never fails to completely amaze me with his plays. And the thing is, he is so efficient with it. Many greats had this moments of brillants that were somehow pointless. Like Ronaldinho (my favorite all time player) who sometimes did things just for the entertainment. But with Messi, everything he does has a purpose. Just brillant.
The Higuain who is apparently costing Messi the title of GOAT is also the only reason they beat Belgium in the WC.Guerreiro wasnt consistent yet Ronaldo who was terrible first two games, can basically say missed the final but never mind he "willed them to victory" right ?
Name the players who played well instead. Football isn't won due to the team sheet. Mascherano was immense for Argentina, Di Maria was hot and cold. Besides that yes name the players who actually played well. Something you don't seem to understand is this Argentina team is a complete mess without Messi.
That is a very long and well written first post (even though I disagree with most of it).
Fat Ronaldo was a striker pure and simple, in fact he did a lot less than Cristiano in terms of creating play. You're completely distorting the argument by claiming that Cristiano is only a finisher and nothing else. How do you explain him getting more assists than Messi in the CL?
Ultimately, you are boiling the whole thing down to Messi being the more aesthetically pleasing player, which you're entitled to. But most "greatest ever" sportsman achieve it through their achievements: Federer due to his grand slams, Schumacher due to his titles, etc...
Yes, Ronaldo Lima was a pure striker. But in his prime he created goals solely on his own because he was just an unstoppable force through his pace, dribbling and unbelievable ball control. On top of being a brillant finisher. I simply feel like, especially the latter Cristiano, did/does not contribute so much to his own goals. He simply has the last contact before the ball passes the line but his goals are rarely accomplished through great plays or anything like that. He is a very clinical finisher, yes, and has very impressive positioning inside the box but outside of it he simply is no longer a player to be afraid of.
And no, my point is not that Messi is the more aesthetically pleasing player. My point is that he contributes more to the goals his teams score. You see Messi's goals and you geniunely believe that there is no other player on this planet that would have scored this one. Why? Because he received the ball in midfield, dribbles two players, plays a one two with the strike, dribbles another one and then finishes precisely in the corner. And on top of that he sets up his team mates constantly with brillant passes and link up player.
With Cristiano I think it is the other way round. He often is the last player to touch the ball but most often I feel like the goal "belongs to some of his team mates" because they made much more decisive plays. I watch many Real Madrid games. Countless times Ronaldo scored two or three goals, was regarded the best player and I found it odd because he was good but I thought that Modric, Kroos or Marcelo had much more impressive performances. Yet, Cristiano got all the credit because again, he had the last contact before the ball passed the line. And yes, I know that this still needs instinct, determination, situational awareness and guts but I think the other things are much harder to do.
And also: Historically, playmakers, dribblers and creaters were the best players, not goalscorers. And Messi is as good as any of them in these disciplines while he is arguably only closely behind Cristiano in goalscoring (an ability that was never regarded as decisive when it comes to the GOAT question before CR7 because otherwise people like Maradona, Beckenbauer or Cruyff would not even be in the discussion).
Thanks for the commendation by the way, appreciate it
Care to explain why was he terrible against Austria? Because he missed a penalty? Or because he hit 1 or 2 times the post or bar? Isn't this what Messi fans say "Football isn't only goals".Guerreiro wasnt consistent yet Ronaldo who was terrible first two games, can basically say missed the final but never mind he "willed them to victory" right ?
Zabaleta, Garay and Mascherano.
What you don't understand is that Argentina isn't Messi, that's the problem Sampaoli doesn't seem to understand.
During a season Messi dribbles more, gets more assists and creates more chances than Ronaldo, so it's not about Messi being the more aesthetically pleasing player.
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I think its very difficult to choose but if someone put a gun to my head and told me I had to...I would say Messi.
You’re comprehension of his post is totally off the mark, and I think you know that. Whilst Leo is more aesthetically pleasing, that’s not the argument he’s making (Ronaldo Lima example aside). Messis game Besides goals far supersedes C Ronaldos. His game iq and playmaking ability is simply on a different level, something all the top level greats had (see Cruyff, Diego, Di Stefano). Simply put, Messi is one of the greatest goal scorers of all time AND one of the greatest playmakers of all, at the same time as having extra terrestrial natural ability. Ronaldo only matches him in on of these three aspects. No player in history (arguably) has managed to combine all three.
I was talking about not including the CL in 2007, because he didn't feature after the last 16. I wasn't saying I don't include 4 finals for him at Argentina.
Ahh that old chestnut, 'Messi plays with better players'. Surely it isn't fair to discredit him and acknowledge Ron just because one played for the better team. That argument is used all the time in Scholes vs Gerrard. You can't credit one and discredit the other.
Then we have people defending Ronaldo with ' Ron shouldn't have played. Seems to be a lot of excuses for Ronaldo and none for Messi.
You seem to be implying that playing the full game and LOSING is a better performance than getting injured and WINNING?
The fact remains that Messi contributed to Argentina LOSING those finals, particularly the one where he missed the penalty.
Ronaldo has scored more and won more for Portugal than Messi has for Argentina, it's pretty clear that he has been better.
So Messi getting to the final and not winning and Ronaldo getting to the final and going off injured, with Portugal then winning, is what makes Ron better than Messi at internationals?
One getting to finals and not winning and the other not featuring in the final and his team winning is quite similar in the fact that none contributing to the final game.
Also Messi has scored more goals and assisted more goals in tournaments than Ronaldo. But yeah Ron has been better. No chance.
Why not? Its true.
Not his fault Payet tried to cheat. Oh and after a defeat he never said he was going to retire like someone else. I wonder who?
In the WC's? Absolutely. But don't Messi fans say stats don't matter?
I would put Messi against us or Bayern above or equal to whatever Ronaldo has done in CL. Many would similarly. Easy to see why it’s a landslide taking everything into consideration.
In 2017, Messi scored more goals than Ronaldo, Messi had more assists than Ronaldo, Messi created more chances than Ronaldo, Messi dribbled more than Ronaldo... and Ronaldo was easily the better player. How consistently good they are at different parts of the game doesn't matter as much as to when they do it.
It has more to do with the failure to appreciate the timing and run to get into the right place at the right time is the most vital part of creating a goal. If it's so simple to get on the end of passes and crosses, I wonder why no player has been able to match Cristiano.Yes, Ronaldo Lima was a pure striker. But in his prime he created goals solely on his own because he was just an unstoppable force through his pace, dribbling and unbelievable ball control. On top of being a brillant finisher. I simply feel like, especially the latter Cristiano, did/does not contribute so much to his own goals. He simply has the last contact before the ball passes the line but his goals are rarely accomplished through great plays or anything like that. He is a very clinical finisher, yes, and has very impressive positioning inside the box but outside of it he simply is no longer a player to be afraid of.
And no, my point is not that Messi is the more aesthetically pleasing player. My point is that he contributes more to the goals his teams score. You see Messi's goals and you geniunely believe that there is no other player on this planet that would have scored this one. Why? Because he received the ball in midfield, dribbles two players, plays a one two with the strike, dribbles another one and then finishes precisely in the corner. And on top of that he sets up his team mates constantly with brillant passes and link up player.
With Cristiano I think it is the other way round. He often is the last player to touch the ball but most often I feel like the goal "belongs to some of his team mates" because they made much more decisive plays. I watch many Real Madrid games. Countless times Ronaldo scored two or three goals, was regarded the best player and I found it odd because he was good but I thought that Modric, Kroos or Marcelo had much more impressive performances. Yet, Cristiano got all the credit because again, he had the last contact before the ball passed the line. And yes, I know that this still needs instinct, determination, situational awareness and guts but I think the other things are much harder to do.
And also: Historically, playmakers, dribblers and creaters were the best players, not goalscorers. And Messi is as good as any of them in these disciplines while he is arguably only closely behind Cristiano in goalscoring (an ability that was never regarded as decisive when it comes to the GOAT question before CR7 because otherwise people like Maradona, Beckenbauer or Cruyff would not even be in the discussion).
Thanks for the commendation by the way, appreciate it
Before you say it, it has nothing to do with the players behind him, otherwise, when he's out injured, whoever replaces him should be able to replicate what he does.
Last part, that's simply not true, Pele is widely regarded as one of the GOAT as much for his 1000 goals as his 3 WC. Di Stefano as much for his goalscoring as his many EC
Look at that landslide in Messi's favour seems all sense is not yet lost in the footballing world.
Also the arguments about Messi playing for the better team; Ronaldo has been playing for the better team for 3 years now. Barcas midfield has been dogshit recently, obviously people who don't watch us will still be thinking Rakitic is still one of the top midfielders but Messi has had to drop deep to carry their sorry ass' on so many occasions. Ronaldo has Modric+Kroos (best midfield since Xaviesta) and Marcelo with Benzema there to set him up.
It's personal preference at the end of the day. scoring goals is the most important thing in football so I can see Ronaldo fans side of the debate and after the last 3 years its not outlandish to argue his case but for me and it looks like the majority, Messi is on another level entirely. as said above, hes not only mastered goal scoring, hes the best playmaker in the world aswell, something even the GOAT tier players weren't able to replecate both these attritbutes season after season.
1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. C. Ronaldo
If were purely talking goals, Pele and Muller trump Ronaldo. If were talking ability, Messi and Maradona and arguably Pele also trump Ronaldo.
seems all sense is not yet lost in the footballing world.Also the arguments about Messi playing for the better team; Ronaldo has been playing for the better team for 3 years now. Barcas midfield has been dogshit recently, obviously people who don't watch us will still be thinking Rakitic is still one of the top midfielders but Messi has had to drop deep to carry their sorry ass' on so many occasions. Ronaldo has Modric+Kroos (best midfield since Xaviesta) and Marcelo with Benzema there to set him up.
It's personal preference at the end of the day. scoring goals is the most important thing in football so I can see Ronaldo fans side of the debate and after the last 3 years its not outlandish to argue his case but for me and it looks like the majority, Messi is on another level entirely. as said above, hes not only mastered goal scoring, hes the best playmaker in the world aswell, something even the GOAT tier players weren't able to replecate both these attritbutes season after season.
1. Messi
2. Maradona
3. Pele
4. C. Ronaldo
If were purely talking goals, Pele and Muller trump Ronaldo. If were talking ability, Messi and Maradona and arguably Pele also trump Ronaldo.
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