Read again @TheRedScot post as he was referring to 17/18 season to which you have replied, no one was even talking about calendar year you pillock learn how to read before being this cocky.
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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I’ve already pointed out that I think Ronaldo has already made up for the poor first few months in this calendar year.
So what exactly is your point here?
You were the one who said you can't be best player by just turning up for a few months, which is exactly what Ronaldo did in 2017.
Was has Ronaldo done 2018 to be better?
Messi is always the best player for Barca. When was the last game Ronaldo was the best player for Real? I mean when you see the game for 90 odd minutes and you think Ronaldo was the best. Its always Modric or Marcello, sometines Ramos or Isco. Take Ronaldo out of Real and they play exactly the same, take Messi out of Barca and you have a different team.
Messi is always the best player for Barca. When was the last game Ronaldo was the best player for Real? I mean when you see the game for 90 odd minutes and you think Ronaldo was the best. Its always Modric or Marcello, sometines Ramos or Isco. Take Ronaldo out of Real and they play exactly the same, take Messi out of Barca and you have a different team.
I’m afraid you’re the only one on the whole planet apart from his family who sees it that way.
Ronaldo has scored more goals over the season than Messi.
Care to reply to my 2nd point in the above message?
Well yes and if you read my last post on previous page I explicitly said that Ronaldo was pretty consistent last year and for this reason they won La Liga, he just went another gear in final months.
So?
My point is that he was NOT consistent in 2017 (great first half, poor 2nd half), yet won the Ballon D'or in a landslide.
Hence, the football world values that great first half more than consistency throughout the YEAR.
The fact he was quite consistent during 2nd half 2016 helped them win La Liga but had little impact on Ballon D'or 2017.
No, I don't think it's goalscoring that puts Ronaldo above Messi.
I think Ronaldo's above Messi because I think he's been better in the Champions League and better for his country.
But were not talking about is who the best player in important games, we're talking about who is the best player full stop. The performances in important games are important and does show individual skill yes, but obviously not all of it (and who has been the better player in important games is again very much up for discussion). The bigger the sample you take, the better the result you will get and you are deliberately ignoring the majority of both players performances. I just don't see how that is a good way of coming to any sort of fair conclusion about who is the better player.
Look, let's say that I would play 100 games against Roger Federer, 80 in WTP tournaments and 20 in Grand slam tournaments. I would win 60 out of the 80 WTP matches but only 6/20 GS matches. Even though overall I've won twice as many games would you still think that he is better than me because he won more important matches? This of course becomes even more flawed when you make a comparison like this in a team sport where you need to rely on 15+ other players to perform as well.
You tell me, you were the one who brought up this talk about top class when you decided that the "Messi cult" couldn't acknowledge that Ronaldo was a top class player, despite no one saying anything remotely close to that.
Obviously I was talking about the select group of best players ever.
I'm not ignoring them, I am giving them less importance compared to other more important performances.
Absolutely
Most people have Federer as the greatest tennis player ever because of his grand slam record.
Pete Sampras actually finished year end number 1 more often.
I don't think Ronaldo is excluded from that group even if someone says that he thinks that a few players are better than him.
I know, I hold him as not only the best tennis player ever but also one of the best athletes ever, but it's not all because of his GS record.
Alright then, I guess all that's left is to say let's agree to completely disagree..
Good talk and I hope you have a great weekend!
Says it all really
That says a lot more about you Barcelona fans and the level of stupidity and patheticness your hatred gives you than it does about Ronaldo.
How many of the 20 games were before 2007? How many were friendlies where he played 45 minutes? Why exlude Argentina, Belgium and the Netherlands? Why is Sweden in the column above?
Hope you aren't being paid off by someone who doesn't pay his taxes?
Says it all really
Cris doesn't pay his taxes either
Like ronaldo?
Pst, don't tell them thatCris doesn't pay his taxes either
if not they are going to say Messi is more creative in the way he hides the money.@Daysleeper When you mention him start calling him Ronaldo and not ronaldo, he is bigger than that.
Rivaldo! Seriously? Do you think of him as one of the best?
It's not ALL because of his GS record, but that is a BIG factor.
It's not all because of Cristiano's CL record, but it's a big factor, also if you want to talk about consistency, he has scored 50+ for whatever many years.
My friend, he doesn't play for Argentina and put Messi playing for Santos he probably would use his magnificent creativity to cross balls from Catalunya to Portugal, you know you Barcelona fanatics give a bad name for Messi doing that crap propaganda do you? We don't hate Messi, we write his name as it should be, its Messi not messi.ronaldo in NT my friend
Anyone doing one for Messi?ronaldo in NT my friend
Show us his great record against the likes of Venezuela, Paraguay, Ecuador and co?
So Ronnie has scored against the likes of Sweden, Holland, Belgium, and Czech Republic. Sounds fair to me.
Multiple goals against Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Columbia, Mexico, Croatia, Spain as well goals against Portugal, France, and Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Lionel_Messi
Some interesting facts: actually Messi scored goals against good NT, while we have to keep in mind the South American qualifiers don't have crap teams like Andorra or whatever.
3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, but not in qualifiers, would like to know how many times he played against Brazil in the SAQF.
The other factor neglected is Messi can play with players like Higuain, Aguero or others, while Cristiano had to play with awfull players like Postiga, Éder, André Silva, even Pauleta or Nuno Gomes compared to the players who played alongside Messi are a joke.
@Daysleeper he scored 3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, don't twist facts. Ok, actually 4 because he scored 1 more in another friendly, I guess he shits himself when he has to play them when it really matters.
Some interesting facts: actually Messi scored goals against good NT, while we have to keep in mind the South American qualifiers don't have crap teams like Andorra or whatever.
3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, but not in qualifiers, would like to know how many times he played against Brazil in the SAQF.
The other factor neglected is Messi can play with players like Higuain, Aguero or others, while Cristiano had to play with awfull players like Postiga, Éder, André Silva, even Pauleta or Nuno Gomes compared to the players who played alongside Messi are a joke.
@Daysleeper
he scored 3 goals against Brazil in a friendly, don't twist facts. Ok, actually 4 because he scored 1 more in another friendly, I guess he shits himself when he has to play them when it really matters.
Multiple goals against Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Columbia, Mexico, Croatia, Spain as well goals against Portugal, France, and Germany
lol Cal
Brazil aren't that better than Andora tbh.
Better to score 1 against Andorra in a game that matters, than 3 against Brazil in a friendly.
ronaldo in NT my friend
Those numbers are in line with any other top goalscorer from Europe, none of them com close to scoring as much as Ronaldo. Argentina, Netherlands, Croatia, Poland, Czech Republic, Belgium, Sweden, etc.
A lot of the goals against what you'd call crap teams are huge goals in big games. He scores an hattrick to win us a game 3-2 in Armenia or in Northern Ireland and you treat it like it doesn't matter. If he doesn't score against Andorra we wouldn't have won that game and gone to the playoffs for example. If he doesn't score against Bosnia we don't go to the Euros in 2012. He plays for Portugal, not Argentina and his goals at least come in official matches.
Can't believe it's 2018 and we're discussing the teams Cristiano Ronaldo has scored goals against. Hopefully it keeps going for a long time
4 goals in 2 friendlies vs Brazil, where are the goals in the Qualifiers? Does he have to play with players like Postiga, Éder or André Silva? Or managed by a dinossaur like Santos? Why they never answer this is really mind boggling.So basically lots of goals against teams he plays very often. How novel.
Multiple goals against Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Columbia, Mexico, Croatia, Spain as well goals against Portugal, France, and Germany
So he scores more against teams he plays all the time, how interesting. Not sure why it’s funny though...lol Cal
No I don't, and even if someone else does it still doesn't prove what you initially whined about.
@Daysleeper So it looks you didn't find the answers to my questions?
Come on, arguing over who has been better for their country is daft. Both haven’t done amazing. That is why I put Pele and Maradona above them both.
Messi has got to 4 finals and won 0. Ronaldo has got to 1 final and won the tournament, albeit going off injured in the final.
However, Messi has done more to get his team to the finals.
Ronaldo scored 3 goals at the Euro. 2 in the 3-3 group game. And 1 in the semi vs wales to make it 2-0.
Absurd how anyone can say Ronaldo has done better for their countries.
Messi has got to 4 finals and won 0. Ronaldo has got to 1 final and won the tournament, albeit going off injured in the final.
However, Messi has done more to get his team to the finals.
Ronaldo scored 3 goals at the Euro. 2 in the 3-3 group game. And 1 in the semi vs wales to make it 2-0.
Absurd how anyone can say Ronaldo has done better for their countries.
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