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Daysleeper said:
No way, would be amazing if it happened but Argentina is in an awful bracket his time around unlike 2014. They’d have to potentially go through France/Spain/Portugal (the hype level on that match!)/Brazil and Germany all as potential opponents.

And I’d say this Argentina side is comfortably worse than the 2014 one which had an elite defense
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This is true, the draw wasn't kind to Argentina. They'd probably have to go through 3 teams out of France/Spain/Brazil/Germany to win the whole thing.

You know my stance on this debate but it would be a shame to see Messi retire without winning anything for his country. If Argentina don't win the WC, the 2019 Copa America in Brazil will be his last chance, weren't they supposedly inviting european teams for that tournament?
 
soap said:
Evidence just doesn't stack up in such a way to suggest that Ronaldo is any more of a "big game player" than Messi. Messi has played to his full potential on the biggest of stages with just as much consistency as Ronaldo has.
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A quick look at the CL knockout stage stats knows that's nothing but a lie, Messi has bottled many more CL knockout games than Ronaldo
 
RedRonaldo said:
Name me a player who is more driven/with better mentality than Ronaldo then
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How do you even judge something like that?

Franco Baresi miraculously played in the World Cup final weeks after being ruled out with a knee injury and it was arguably the best defensive performance of any one player.

Is he less driven with a weaker mentality than Ronaldo? If so; why?
 
Hamadovich86 said:
They are undoubtedly the two greatest players of their generation by a huge distance I might at. They have the same number of Ballon d'ors and are very close in terms of club goals scored (wikipedia actually says its the same number of goals but Ronaldo played more matches) and the same number of CL trophies. I think the definitive statistical comparison can only be made when they both retire but currently Ronaldo is ahead in terms of the national team with more goals and a continental trophy to his name. Messi is ahead in terms of La Liga with more goals and trophies partly because hes been there longer but even when including the PL for Ronaldo, Messi still has more trophies and a better match/goal ratio.
Ronaldo created a sizable gap in the CL in terms of goals but the two have the same number of trophies with a great potential for more in the coming years.

All that said and despite being a United fan, I enjoy watching Messi playing more nowadays than I do Ronaldo. Maybe its because i'm bitter that he left but Messi has been doing unreal things on the pitch for around 14 years now. I think hes the greatest player I have ever seen and a World Cup win will cement that imo.
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I just want to point out that Messi did not even feature from the QF onwards for the CL 2006.
 
Cal? said:
I just want to point out that Messi did not even feature from the QF onwards for the CL 2006.
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And Ronaldo didn't play a part in the Euro 2016 final. He still has the winners medal.

It's bizarre a Ronaldo stan of all people would discredit the CL group stages and round of 16.
 
Pink Moon said:
And Ronaldo didn't play a part in the Euro 2016 final. He still has the winners medal.

It's bizarre a Ronaldo stan of all people would discredit the CL group stages and round of 16.
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Are you suggesting Messi played as much of a role to win the CL in 2006 as Ronaldo did in Euro 2016? Never mind the fact he did play in the game.
 
Cal? said:
Are you suggesting Messi played as much of a role to win the CL in 2006 as Ronaldo did in Euro 2016? Never mind the fact he did play in the game.
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No. I'm not suggesting that.

Cherry picking what games they played in is useless because it totally discounts what happened in the matches they did play. Ronaldo played about 10 minutes in the final and they won without him. They wouldn't have won it at all without him in the previous rounds. But with your logic that's irrelevant because he didn't play when they clinched it.

Having looked it up; the reason Messi never played afterwards was because he got injured in the last 16 game v Chelsea. A game he was clearly MOTM in and terrorised Chelsea. They may not even have made the final without him. Your point is moot.
 
Pink Moon said:
No. I'm not suggesting that.

Cherry picking what games they played in is useless because it totally discounts what happened in the matches they did play. Ronaldo played about 10 minutes in the final and they won without him. They wouldn't have won it at all without him in the previous rounds. But with your logic that's irrelevant because he didn't play when they clinched it.
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Not at all, Ronaldo was by far Portugal's most important player in Euro 2016, regardless of his injury in the final.

Messi was nothing more than a squad player in Barca's CL 2006. No?
 
Cal? said:
Not at all, Ronaldo was by far Portugal's most important player in Euro 2016, regardless of his injury in the final.

Messi was nothing more than a squad player in Barca's CL 2006. No?
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Probably. But one was a guy in his prime and the other was a 18 year old just breaking into a side consisting of all time greats like Ronaldinho so I'm not sure how much stock you can place on that.
 
Cronaldo has had a better career than Messi. I don't think anyone can argue against that tbh.
 
Pink Moon said:
Probably. But one was a guy in his prime and the other was a 18 year old just breaking into a side consisting of all time greats like Ronaldinho so I'm not sure how much stock you can place on that.
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Great, we finally agree that Messi played a small part in winning his first CL in 2006.
 
I see the Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics are out in full force again.

It was very quiet there for a while. ;)
 
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shamans said:
I think people value dribbling and on the ball technique a bit too much when it comes to discussing greatest of all time.
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What a player can do with the ball at his feet is an essential ingredient when it comes to that discussion.

You may disagree and you may not like it, but that's just the way it is.
 
Ecstatic said:
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In terms of statistics, I can see only one winner and his name is comprised of 4 characters. Legend. :drool:
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The answer was Cal?

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Cal? said:
Great, we finally agree that Messi played a small part in winning his first CL in 2006.
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No one denied that though. You brought it up when someone mentioned Messi has won 4 CL titles as to somehow discount it or imply he only really has 3.
 
Ronaldo head and shoulders above Messi
Why ?
He has proven himself in the toughest league in the world with United,by a country mile the best ever player to play in the Prem, slagged off by everyone early doors as a show pony he tore the league apart.
He carried a second rate Portugal team on his shoulders to Euro glory.
Top champions league scorer of all time this guy doesn't just score in the easy group games he does it in the toughest games against the very best opposition, he seems to get written off every season and yet still continues to deliver.

Messi a great player but has only done it in Spain which in nowhere near as physical as the prem.Nowhere near the influence on the Argentina team that Ronny is on Portugal, a truly magnificent player but I'm staggered that anyone could think he is as good as Ronaldo
 
Messi's a better player but the difference in impact they've had over the course of their respective careers isn't as large as the difference in talent would suggest. Ronaldos mentality is a large part of the reason this conversation exists imo.
 
Pink Moon said:
No one denied that though. You brought it up when someone mentioned Messi has won 4 CL titles as to somehow discount it or imply he only really has 3.
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The difference is Cristiano Ronaldo was the key player of the team all 4 times he won the CL; Messi was the key player only 3 times.
 
Cal? said:
The difference is Cristiano Ronaldo was the key player of the team all 4 times he won the CL; Messi was the key player only 3 times.
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Because the first time Messi won it he was a teenager in his breakout season and his team had guys like Ronaldinho, Deco, Xavi, Eto'o et al.

I mean you're talking like that's some kind of slight on Messi and a point to Ronaldo :lol:

Why are you only focusing on knockout tournaments anyway? What about La Liga? Why is the discrepancy so large in Messi's favour?
 
I think Ronaldo will be remembered as the better player in 50 years. I’ll never say it myself, because I’ve seen both live over a dozen times each (Ronaldo significantly more) and I feel that no one could ever give me as much joy watching a game of football as Messi does. When he does something incredible the whole stadium smiles, laughs and it’s as if they can’t believe someone could do what he just did. When Ronaldo does it, it’s just not the same “edge of the seat” feeling. He did that at Man Utd, but at Madrid he’s just not as exciting a player to watch.

When people born in the 2020s start looking back, they’ll see a player who did it at two massive clubs, won an international tournament as a captain, and broke most records that he could feasibly break. A lot of them will likely remain his forever, similar to Wayne Gretzky in hockey. On paper, once they retire, he’ll look the better player and that’ll count for a lot in the future when they have the GOAT debate.
 
Rado_N said:
Go nuts you crazy, crazy bastards. But keep it to this thread.
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Probably mentioned before, but to me the more fascinating point is that I believe the Messi-Ronaldo duel has elevated both to a level and consistency I can hardly foresee had they ruled the pond alone. They possibly can thank each others that in both level and fame they’ve surpassed anyone

But Maradona was the greater artist.
 
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