The way I see it, it’s not only about goals, it’s more about their overall impact on winning matches, big matches and trophies. I’ve always maintain Messi being the better player, but Ronaldo is probably greater.
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The way I see it, it’s not only about goals, it’s more about their overall impact on winning matches, big matches and trophies. I’ve always maintain Messi being the better player, but Ronaldo is probably greater.
On a goals per game basis we outscored them in 5 of 8 seasons, but yeah it's been very fine margins.
You mean Messi didn't sit out that game?
I doubt Messi will win Ballon d'or this year.
He won't win the CL or World Cup, plus is already starting to look tired in recent weeks
Ronaldo will win CL and win ballon d'or again
I never understood why these threads exist. Messi was individually always the better player. Anyone that watch a lot of football should really have realized this by now.
You mean Messi didn't sit out that game?
Except Messi was actually very good in that game bar his miss, yet obviously everyone forgets that...had Hummels shaking first half in particular
Ronaldo fanboys say it’s all about the goals but when confronted with facts that show Messi is just as good a goal scorer and more efficient “it’s not just about goals, it’s about impact on games “.No, he had hummels on skates once in the first half, and then he had that chance in the second, and the rest of the time he barely even touched the ball
Why ignore Ronaldo at United?
If you really wanted to be unbiased and fair post the stats over their whole career, or post Messi stats from when Ronaldo went to Madrid .
The word fanboy needs to carry a temp ban with it. No one can take anyone seriously when they refer to the other as a fanboy.
So Messi is ahead in La Liga because of better team mates and Ronaldo ahead in CL because of himself.
Last year Barcelona conceded 7 goals against PSG and Juventus, I can't say the same about Real Madrid.
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Possible! Winning it with Portugal would be an incredible feat but it’s so unlikely.
Ay but he has winners medal nonetheless.
You're talking like all shots are equal to each other. The fact is that given their playing styles, Ronaldo is more likely to attempt a shot from a more difficult position (resulting in lower conversion rates), whilst Messi is more likely to try to dribble himself into a better position before shooting (resulting in a higher conversion rate due to better positions).
However, that does NOT mean the Messi way is better, because he's just as likely to have lost the ball trying to dribble as Ronaldo was to have taken a shot from a lesser favorable position.
Given Ronaldo's better overall goals record during the same seasons in La Liga, it's indisputable that he is the better goalscorer.
It's about influencing the players actually playing the game from the sidelines using magic mind powers.
Ronaldo is the ultimate big game player nowadays.So Messi is ahead in La Liga because of better team mates and Ronaldo ahead in CL because of himself.
Last year Barcelona conceded 7 goals against PSG and Juventus, I can't say the same about Real Madrid.
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"It is said that in academia the arguments are so fierce because the issues are so trivial; it is the same in football." - (Carlo Ancelotti, Quiet Leadership)
Some people just like to argue (discuss, call it what you wish) the trivial, the pointless and the obvious (in bold).
I like Ronnie (back to back UCL and first to 100 UCL goals for the same team). I can't stand Barcelona and Messi (with his fake a$$ humility) but he is definitely the better player.
Try being a bit more humble.
Messi’s SECOND best record for goals in a calendar year is still 10 ahead of Ronaldo’s best ever. And he only played 1 more game to achieve it. What’s indisputable is that Messi’s peak goalscoring prowess exceeds Ronaldo’s. There’s absolutely no other way to spin that
Why only La Liga though? Let's stop being selective , Over the course of their careers in all competitions it's pretty equal.
Has anyone changed their minds ever?
Ronaldo has declined significantly but just plays as a pure finisher so has better stats than before
There is no way he is a better player now or in the last 2 years than he was 5 years ago
His whole game has regressed yet he's now winning more awards than ever
Great goalscorer but to say he is better than Messi is a debate that should not even be debated
Messi plays 30 yards deeper than Ronaldo and puts out similar numbers while controlling the game from midfield
There is no way he is a better player now or in the last 2 years than he was 5 years ago
His whole game has regressed yet he's now winning more awards than ever
Great goalscorer but to say he is better than Messi is a debate that should not even be debated
Messi plays 30 yards deeper than Ronaldo and puts out similar numbers while controlling the game from midfield
Of course it should be debated, it's one of the greatest sporting rivalries of all time and probably footballs greatest ever between 2 individuals, both on 5 Ballon d'Or's both score the same amount of goals per season, both have different world class qualities to their game.
As for Ronaldo declining, of course there's a decline but he's 33, there should be a decline. The guy is still voted as the current best player in the world though so tells me just how good he was in his prime if he's still winning awards saying 'the best in the world' during his decline.
This thread should be in the entertainment forum.
How about the fact that what you just said is not true?
Messi's second best record for goals in a calendar year was 60 goals, Ronaldo scored more than that 4 different times.
I completely misread the data on that messivronaldo site, quoting his 79 club goals in the same year he got 91 total.
humble apologies for talking shite
Yeah appearing to be influencial definitely colours the opinions of simpletons.Much better to use the magic powers to motivate the team than to make himself disappear
I have. Use to think Ronaldo was the better of the two until a few years ago when I actually started watching Messi and paying attention.
What a stupid comment. Of course it matters ffs!
Read again
It surely did. Pissed so many of them off 2 years later we’re still talking about it.
How many 33 year old's in the history of the game that play in Ronaldo's position have been as influential as he as. Nearing the end of his career yet he remains the most important player in one of the world's biggest clubs. The likes of Ronaldinho, R9 (tbf had major injuries); Schevchenko, Raul, Kaka, Henry, etc wouldn't polish Ronaldo's shoes when they were 33 too. Most didn't even play at the highest level when they reached his age let alone be an integral part of one of the world's premier clubs.
Did you just twist the words I’ve said to fit your own agenda? Don’t do that, behave
We truly do disagree then. I think he had a very good tournament (while Pepe was better than him). They simply wouldn't have won if it weren't for those two players.
You changed for the better for once.
He wasn't special, but that's neither better or worse than not even playing.You mean Messi didn't sit out that game?
Please don't make up facts, one quick look on google and you know it's a lie.Not at all. It just convinced them of a narrative that was pretty delusional. Doubt people who believe Ronaldo played a major role in that final are pissed off at the result.
They wouldn't have won without many players. Like the ones who created great chances for Ronaldo to miss in the first few games. Was a team effort with noone playing particularly superbly apart from the defence in a poor tournament.
Yeah, but he broke the game against Chelsea in our favour. You might not remember this for biased reasons, but Chelsea were kind of a black beast for us in that era, if it was Ronaldo playing 300 minutes for Real Madrid, dancing circles around Bayern Munich in Round of 16 until someone injured him for the rest of the season you'd probably say that despite not playing much, he was a key part of that UCL run.
If you bothered to read you’d see I noticed my mistake and apologized for it.
Fair enough, I was just going down the thread and replied straight away.
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