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Yeah you're one of those people that comment "you're*" on FB posts and stuff aren't you...
What kind of assumption is this to make?
Being pedantic about someone saying they are speechless or finding opinions ludicrous. Think I made a good assumption.
The two descriptions fits this comparison perfectly.
The one who has the work hard to get to where he has and has good drive and determination- Ronaldo
The one who's naturally gifted and makes it look easy- Messi
I will say that the determination and desire of Ronaldo is better than Messi's IMO. However when Messi is on it then he's clearly the better of the two.
The one who has the work hard to get to where he has and has good drive and determination- Ronaldo
The one who's naturally gifted and makes it look easy- Messi
I will say that the determination and desire of Ronaldo is better than Messi's IMO. However when Messi is on it then he's clearly the better of the two.
If it weren't for injuries nobody would care about Messi vs Cristiano
There's no player (or even sportsman that I've heard of) can compare to Ronaldo's mentality in the game. Ronaldo raise his game when the whole stadium boo him. And when god-gifted Messi is easily leading Ballon D'or 4-1, the less talent Ronaldo makes it 5-5. He also won almost every trophies out there, scoring in all those big matches and cup final when the whole world think he is done (and 2 back to back Ballon D'or too)
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Statistics are bullshit and Maradona has 8 lettersRIDDLE - PLEASE FIND THE SOLUTION AND PROVIDE A PROOF
In terms of statistics, I can see only one winner and his name is comprised of 4 characters. Legend.
See the thing which IMO goes against Cristiano is Messi has as much goals as Cristiano while also having things which people use as a measure for player comparison especially when comparing attacking players. The technical stuffs like passing, shooting, crossing, heading, dribbling and finishing and than the mental stuffs like tactical awareness, vision, creativity, ability to perform under pressure, big stage composure and so on. Cristiano is mostly equal to Messi in terms of goals scoring and assists statistics, while being better in heading and recently has performed better at big stage(although until some years Messi was leading, but let's give Ronnie his due).
But other flashy stuffs and Messi being a passer, play maker, dribbler and goal scorer all in one, that too all time quality, tends to catch attention of most football romantics. Obviously those who rate results over this romance find it disgusting that why people go gaga over Messi while dissing Cristiano for the same.
EXAMPLE:
Cristiano scores hat trick while combining well with his teammates, running hard, getting in good position all night and than scoring with 10 shots, while Messi also scores hat tricks with 10 shots and he also some good looking dribbles, passes and combination plays with teammates.
Statistically there is not much difference as both scored 3 goals from 10 shots. Messi's dribbling, passing and combination plays did create chance but they did not create any goals. So when it comes to pure statistics no difference as at the end of the day both scored 3 goals.
But why reactions are difference?? Cristiano's performance will be praised but Messi's performance will be worshipped. It is simple football fans rate some stuffs more than just results. There is a reason 1982 world cup is known for the Brazilian team which lost while winners Italy are always sidelined. Same with Messi Cristiano, and unlike Italy which beat that Brazil, Cristiano has not won against Messi, they are equal, hence many people praise Cristiano's determination but refuse to call him better than Messi. Results wise he is as good, but other stuffs(no matter how useless he is behind Messi.
That is the best way I can explain why Messi gets over hyped while Cristiano is not as worshipped as him by most folks.
Statistics are bullshit and Maradona has 8 letters
Statistics are not the only thing Pele has over Mara of Dona, you noob.
Ronaldo long range shooting is terrible, he's not even effecient with his shooting either, last time I checked he shoots on average a lot more than Messi yet Messi still has a comparable scoring record.When you compare a playmaker to a forward and use all of the playmaking skills required to compare them then you're going to make it seem he is better in every department of course. Ronaldo has better heading, more strength, better long shots, better finishing, better goal scoring (the biggest deal for me), better leadership (can raise a whole team) and better mentality (the so called 'intangible' which has resulted in him winning Ballon'dor after Balln'dor and trophy after trophy in recent times)
And back to the non serious: crying after losing vs crying after bottling trophies and having mini melt downs is another thing
Don't agree with strength either seen Messi run through some of the strongest players and rarely loses the ball because he uses it so well.
The only category Ronaldo beats him is heading.
Ronaldo was quite poor in the 2014 and 2016 CL final and completely absent due to injury in the last Euro final.
If you take the average final performance from Messi (international as well) and compare it to ronaldo’s average finals performance I’d say Messi is better than Ronaldo. He didn’t even score in the 2015 CL and yet he was fantastic whereas people hardly say “great game from Ronaldo” unless he scores.
However when it comes to penalties full credit to Ronaldo, he’s superb
If you take the average final performance from Messi (international as well) and compare it to ronaldo’s average finals performance I’d say Messi is better than Ronaldo. He didn’t even score in the 2015 CL and yet he was fantastic whereas people hardly say “great game from Ronaldo” unless he scores.
However when it comes to penalties full credit to Ronaldo, he’s superb
Maradona has a church dedicated to him. Let's see Pelé top thatStatistics are not the only thing Pele has over Mara of Dona, you noob.
You mean his team mates performance in the finals? That truly shows Ronaldos mental strength.
What is this nonsense?I’ll assume you know how highly regarded you are as a poster around here. Your opinions are always well articulated and you always see both sides of an argument versus one dimensional discussion.
When you compare a playmaker to a forward and use all of the playmaking skills required to compare them then you're going to make it seem he is better in every department of course. Ronaldo has better heading, more strength, better long shots, better finishing, better goal scoring (the biggest deal for me), better leadership (can raise a whole team) and better mentality (the so called 'intangible' which has resulted in him winning Ballon'dor after Balln'dor and trophy after trophy in recent times)
And back to the non serious: crying after losing vs crying after bottling trophies and having mini melt downs is another thing
More strength? Better finishing? Better goalscoring? Mentality?
you're deludedExactly, Eder scored and Hugiuain didn’t.
Agreed. We shouldn't judge them for their teams results in games they did not play in
The reaction is different because if you are an attacking player and you are able to create chances game after game for your team mates you are a better player than if you don't, no matter if they score on these chances or not.
For example If I score a hattrick while also creating three 1-on-1's for my team mates in a game that finishes 3-2 I will have done better than if I had "just" scored a hattrick. Yes the result would be the same in both cases but the fact that my team mates didn't score any goals on those 1-on-1's doesn't mean that my personal performance was the same in both cases.
A guy who sets up 100 chances and get 20 assists is doing better on a personal level than someone who creates 20 chances and gets 20 assists. (and no, before anyone attacks me, that example is not a Messi vs Ronaldo comparison)
Name me a player who is more driven/with better mentality than Ronaldo then
They are undoubtedly the two greatest players of their generation by a huge distance I might at. They have the same number of Ballon d'ors and are very close in terms of club goals scored (wikipedia actually says its the same number of goals but Ronaldo played more matches) and the same number of CL trophies. I think the definitive statistical comparison can only be made when they both retire but currently Ronaldo is ahead in terms of the national team with more goals and a continental trophy to his name. Messi is ahead in terms of La Liga with more goals and trophies partly because hes been there longer but even when including the PL for Ronaldo, Messi still has more trophies and a better match/goal ratio.
Ronaldo created a sizable gap in the CL in terms of goals but the two have the same number of trophies with a great potential for more in the coming years.
All that said and despite being a United fan, I enjoy watching Messi playing more nowadays than I do Ronaldo. Maybe its because i'm bitter that he left but Messi has been doing unreal things on the pitch for around 14 years now. I think hes the greatest player I have ever seen and a World Cup win will cement that imo.
Ronaldo created a sizable gap in the CL in terms of goals but the two have the same number of trophies with a great potential for more in the coming years.
All that said and despite being a United fan, I enjoy watching Messi playing more nowadays than I do Ronaldo. Maybe its because i'm bitter that he left but Messi has been doing unreal things on the pitch for around 14 years now. I think hes the greatest player I have ever seen and a World Cup win will cement that imo.
How do you know he's more driven/has a better mentality than everyone else?
This is amusing. Ronaldo has only been truly "clutch" in recent times and that too as a poacher rather than a complete player. If we're comparing sportsman, clutch is someone like Nadal who was truly a big match/moment/game player for a decade. Not Ronaldo who didn't have the best big game record with us, proceeded to score in big games but not really dominate and finally had a great run in the CL in which he ticked almost all boxes in his 30s. In terms of performances in international tournies, he hasn't been a big game player either.
When I look at proper big stage performers he's definitely no Nadal or Federer. I'm sure there are many other examples of better big game players too.
My comment was just explaining the difference between their career numbers, Messi's scored 595 goals in 742 games (0.8 goals per game). Ronaldo's scored 633 goals in 893 games (0.71 goals per game). But that difference is down to the way their games are distributed throughout their career rather than Messi being the better goalscorer of the two.
I think we have argued about this before. If you don't think Ronaldo was a factor in Portugal winning the euros then we disagree and nothing to say about it. Given I believe he was a factor, one of the key reasons in fact, I am going to stand by what I said.
More strength? Better finishing? Better goalscoring? Mentality?
Nice way to prove a point. Yes I think Ronaldo is better than all of those. BTW, if I was Portuguese maybe I would also laugh at anyone who has a different opinion about Ronaldo
Sorry but I am convinced you didn't follow Portugal in Euro 2016 apart from the final.
And Messi played with Xavi and Iniesta in Barca's all time great midfield while Ronaldo in a dysfunctional Madrid. Yeah it's just teammates. (and I don't buy this oh but Messi played with all time greats so let's discredit him because achievements are achievements. Messi achieved all of that with his team. Ronaldo did it with Portugal. Mental gymnastics to justify it wasn't his influence makes no sense)
Just curious as I think your opinion aligns with mine (apart from the fact I enjoy watching Ronaldo slightly more and he edges it for me) but if Ronaldo won the world cup with Portugal would it change your opinion on who is the GOAT?
RIDDLE - PLEASE FIND THE SOLUTION AND PROVIDE A PROOF
In terms of statistics, I can see only one winner and his name is comprised of 4 characters. Legend.
@antohan @Šjor Bepo I know you like riddles. Do you know the answer?
Statistics are bullshit and Maradona has 8 letters
Maradona 8 letters but thanks for participating
He's certainly had his fair share of great performances and goals in big games for Portugal. Most of his greatest performances and goals ever are in a Portugal shirt. Bosnia in the playoffs, Sweden in the playoffs, Netherlands and Czech Republic in Euro 2012, Hungary in Euro 2016, Wales and Netherlands semifinals... plus countless big moments in qualification. Trade him for any other player in history and I don't believe we'd have done better than we did since he's been around.
He was scoring and assisting in the semis to take us to our first ever final back in 2004, 12 years later he did the same to take us to our second ever final. Big penalties in both England games and he was man of the match in the WC semis back in 2006 too, we weren't worse than France in that game either. He was injured for the last 2 World Cups but that's not a good enough excuse and they're still the only stain in his career. He'll have a last chance to make up for it in Russia this summer.
I think we have argued about this before. If you don't think Ronaldo was a factor in Portugal winning the euros then we disagree and nothing to say about it. Given I believe he was a factor, one of the key reasons in fact, I am going to stand by what I said.
Nice way to prove a point. Yes I think Ronaldo is better than all of those. BTW, if I was Portuguese maybe I would also laugh at anyone who has a different opinion about Ronaldo
How is he better?
Strenght: Messi is a really strong player, he hardly goes down and he can take a lot of charges. Scholes himself said he's incredibly strong despite his height.
Better finisher: I don't have the stats, but I'm pretty sure Messi needs less shots than Ronaldo to score
Better goalscorer: As before, don't have the stats, but Messi has a better goalscoring ratio in terms of goals/games than Ronnie. Messi can also score with both legs, can score from outside the area, can score Fks too...
Mentality: This is ridiculous. Both have an incredible mentality. The thing is everyone speaks about Ronaldo's mentality because it's his main strenght, while Messi has more talent. But to be competing out there for 10 years despite winning everything on club level, you need to have a strong mentality. Guardiola said he's the strongest player he's ever seen in terms of mentality. He also adapted his game as Ronaldo did, and evolved many times. That speaks about mentality.
You all ignore the fact that Messi will win the next World Cup. Crazy.
Don't get the question. Pelé?
He only had 3 good games in that tourney and Portugal had one of the easiests paths to the euro in the last 25 years. Not ronaldo’s Fault, Messi had an easy path in the 2014 World Cup so it goes both ways but Portugal had a ton of luck go their way in that tourney
Yes of course. The King.
No way, would be amazing if it happened but Argentina is in an awful bracket his time around unlike 2014. They’d have to potentially go through France/Spain/Portugal (the hype level on that match!)/Brazil and Germany all as potential opponents.
And I’d say this Argentina side is comfortably worse than the 2014 one which had an elite defense
Well tried but no
An extra clue: "In this thread, there is a clear winner whose name is comprised of 4 characters. "Stats" shows he's the most dominant"
Mate are you on about Raul?Well tried but no
An extra clue: "In this thread, there is a clear winner whose name is comprised of 4 characters. "Stats" shows he's the most dominant"
Another tip: I've written "4 characters", not "4 letters"
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