I agree - 2011 Messi was something else. It looks now like that was his peak as his performances are still unbelievable but nothing like that. When watching us against them in the final, we had arguably the best defence in football in Vidic and Ferdinand, yet I think both got nutmegged more in that game by Messi than they did their whole careers.
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I agree - 2011 Messi was something else. It looks now like that was his peak as his performances are still unbelievable but nothing like that. When watching us against them in the final, we had arguably the best defence in football in Vidic and Ferdinand, yet I think both got nutmegged more in that game by Messi than they did their whole careers.
What I can guarantee you you’ll never see anything close to it ever again was what just happened last season. You’ll see generational talents and all time great strikers in super teams struggle to score 10 goals from the quarters of the CL forward in their whole careers, nevermind one season.
Man of the match against Napoli and then 10 goals in 5 games against probably the 3 best defenses in the world with no penalties with every single one of those goals coming at an important time. I’m sorry but it simply does not get any bigger than that no matter how many different ways people try to spin it. It’s not like all he did was score goals either or even close to it and it’s not like Messi in 2011 didn’t have an even more dominant team around him.
Pretty sure not even the biggest Barcelona fans would argue Messi was by far the best player on the pitch in every single one of their CL knockout games in 2011. I just completely disagree with that.
Scoring 10 goals against arguably best 3 defenses in europe has to be greatest achievement in CL history ...people often brings Messi's 4 goal performance against Arsenal ( That was quite a performance but then you need to give credit to CR7 also where it's due )
Imagine Prime CR7 against shambolic Arsenal defence and their GKs ..he would've cut them into pieces ..sad Madrid and Arsenal never met during that period in CL
Both have different style and there is not much to choose from ..one who says either is miles better is pretty deluded and doesn't want to think other player is equal.
Imagine Prime CR7 against shambolic Arsenal defence and their GKs ..he would've cut them into pieces ..sad Madrid and Arsenal never met during that period in CL
Both have different style and there is not much to choose from ..one who says either is miles better is pretty deluded and doesn't want to think other player is equal.
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Great post.
Isn't it interesting that this thread gets dragged up everytime Messi is perceived to be indisputably better? It's almost as if the Messi brigade have been waiting for the occasional bad patch by Ronaldo to come back in full force.
No doubt they'd all disappear come spring if Messi bottles the CL knockout stages like he's done quite often in recent seasons.
No doubt they'd all disappear come spring if Messi bottles the CL knockout stages like he's done quite often in recent seasons.
Portugal v Argentina in the final and this thread will cause the collapse of the internet.
I don't expect either to get anywhere near the final.
Best Player in the last 25 years :
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4. Zidane
5. Ronaldinho
6. Maldini
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5. Ronaldinho
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Luiz Ronaldo well ahead of Cristiano is just a very poor attempt at being a WUM.totally agree with this ..they do every attempt to put Ronaldo down when messi does something good
In Fact CR7 has really own CL in recent times where as Messi has been hiding most of CL KO matches in recent times
I’d take Messi 2015 and Messi 2011 over any of Ronnie’s CL performances.
The Bayern tie was a very controversial one with some dubious offsides and Ronnie has been horrible in 2 of the 3 finals Madrid were in CL.
Ronnie goes missing far more than Messi does, you can count the number of terrible games by Messi on one hand whereas Ronaldo you get a crummy match from at least once every other month and sometimes more.
His run in last year’s CL was awesome, but he really really depends on the service of others to look good. You give the ball to Ronaldo in the middle of the pitch and he’d be helpless. He’s a great poacher and that’s about it.
One hell of a goal scorer, but I genuinely find it baffling someone who has truly seen both of these guys play every weekend over the ten years and actually Ronaldo is better.
The Bayern tie was a very controversial one with some dubious offsides and Ronnie has been horrible in 2 of the 3 finals Madrid were in CL.
Ronnie goes missing far more than Messi does, you can count the number of terrible games by Messi on one hand whereas Ronaldo you get a crummy match from at least once every other month and sometimes more.
His run in last year’s CL was awesome, but he really really depends on the service of others to look good. You give the ball to Ronaldo in the middle of the pitch and he’d be helpless. He’s a great poacher and that’s about it.
One hell of a goal scorer, but I genuinely find it baffling someone who has truly seen both of these guys play every weekend over the ten years and actually Ronaldo is better.
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Neymar had 7 in 2015, two of his 10 shouldn't have stood. Take a look at the numbers put up by elite strikers in recent years. That's the direction we're going in. What Cris just did? We're going to see something close to it, and soon
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@giorno on fire with these posts
Barca/Messi fans talking about controversial decisions.
No game ever in the history of the game was as biased towards one side as the Scandal of Stamford Bridge.Messi went missing in most of the CL knockout games this year, even the turnaround against PSG was more due to Neymar.
It’s a myth that Messi scores wonder goals where he dribbles past lots of defenders all the time. He relies just as much on services as Ronaldo does.
So we are in the 10th Anniversary of Messi vs Ronaldo rivalry. Congrats and well done.
Barca/Messi fans talking about controversial decisions.
Messi went missing in most of the CL knockout games this year, even the turnaround against PSG was more due to Neymar.
It’s a myth that Messi scores wonder goals where he dribbles past lots of defenders all the time. He relies just as much on services as Ronaldo does.
BS, Messi is the service, he’s the one who sets up the plays and makes his teammates better, Ronaldo looks better thanks to his teammates
top posts by giorno. Anyway enough of the debate for today. Merry Christmas
You’ll never see it happen again and I guarantee you that. The attempts at devaluing it have been just unbelievable, especially coming from a Madrid fan. Maybe in 30 years you’ll change your mind although I’m guessing it won’t take that long.
How the hell was Messi the man of the match by far in every single game in 2011 and how was his CL campaign in 2008 not worse than Ronaldo’s? Come on...
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He makes his teammates better? What the hell has been happening in Argentina then?
Argentina is a very poor fit, he’s easily been the best teammate you can ask for, no player in the world can rescue that Argentina squad, they need a midfield desperately they have very poor balance. Remove Messi from Argentina and they don’t qualify for ANY tournaments
If you were to ask neutrals ie non Madrid/United/Portugal fans, I think you'd find very few people who actually think Ronaldo is the better player. Ronaldo always has been astonishingly good but Messi just always has been superior. Even on my Twitter TL I only ever see United fans trying to claim Ronaldo is superior to Messi. It's going to be a never ending debate but finishing is one thing Ronaldo should have the edge in and yet Messi outdoes and outscores him even in that aspect along with everything else he's already better at.
He currently plays in a team that lost Neymar, has been playing with a garbage Suarez and the likes of Alcacer, Denis Suarez and Deofleou and he's got Barca top by 14 points. The amount of chances the guy creates in a game is just utterly unreal. It's a pity there aren't any attackers at Barca that are on his wavelength and clinical enough. If Messi had Ronaldo to set up, he'd probably already be on 20 assists for tihs season.
Late contender for worst post of the year.
Nah, watch them both play and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Ronaldo heavily relies on the service of his teammates, Messi’s teammates rely on his service.
Watch Messi play more often.
Ok withe the Ronaldo 2017 was as good as Messi 2011 Im out. The silly is now officialy too much for me.
Merry xmas
Merry xmas
Most of their players are having great seasons and even garbage Suarez has been scoring more big goals than anyone else on the planet. Madrid being crap is what made the gap so big.
That last sentence says it all, they’d both make eachother better and they both make their teammates around them better.
The surest sign of a footballing idiot is someone who thinks Ronaldo is better than Messi.
To preempt the inevitable quote that will brought up, SAF was Ronaldo's coach and father figure - he's never going to offer a dispassionate opinion.
To preempt the inevitable quote that will brought up, SAF was Ronaldo's coach and father figure - he's never going to offer a dispassionate opinion.
Agreed. I think nobody who has an idea about football and saw both play regularly for the last decade can seriously argue that Ronaldo is better than Messi. That is just ridiculous.
It's not about being from Portugal, but a Sporting fan. I don't think I've met many Sporting fans who don't believe Ronaldo is better than Messi, if any at all. It's just a natural ever-present bias. Plenty of Portuguese in general think Messi is better, possibly even a majority.
We're seeing top strikers score at almost unprecented rates all over europe. Not just Messi and Cris, but now Lewandowski, Suarez, Kane, Cavani, Aubameyang are all scoring at similar rates. It's just a matter of time before one of them ends up in the same conditions as Cristiano and puts together something close(emphasis on close. Not equal) to what he just did. And it's not devaluing it in any way. What he did was invredible
Because he really was, because that team was the ultimate platform for him, in a way similar but even better than what we were for Cris last Spring. In 2008 they were both great. Cris edges it because his team was better, it's one of the seasons were you could switch their performances and not see the difference
This thread.
When Ronaldo won CL, Ronaldo is better than Messi.
When Messi beat Real 3-0.
"You lot has no knowledge about football if you said Ronaldo is better than Messi"
Ridiculous.
When Ronaldo won CL, Ronaldo is better than Messi.
When Messi beat Real 3-0.
"You lot has no knowledge about football if you said Ronaldo is better than Messi"
Ridiculous.
For my money, Messi is the better player. They’re pretty much equal in terms of goalscoring, but in every other aspect apart from heading he’s clearly better. I often watch Barcelona just to see what Messi comes up with, as he’s just a joy to watch. I don’t do that with Ronaldo as all he seems to do is score goals. I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine anyone ever recreating what Messi does, but I can sort of imagine someone copying Ronaldos numbers. That’s not a slight on Ronaldo, btw, as he’s phenomenal as well. To sum up, we are quite lucky to be able to see two of the best footballers of all time, if not the actual best, go head to head.
Didn't Barca lose their RO16 first leg 2-1 to Arsenal that season? Surely such an unstoppable force wouldn't be on the losing team that match especially when he wasn't exactly playing with bums.
He's right though.
Thefootballramble.com has a pod on this, worthwhile listen.
??? I don't understand comments like this. What has been happening in Argentina is that Messi has been carrying them on his back for several years now. Are you not watching their games or seeing their results?
As bad as match day threads.
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They are complete outliers in football for the past 15 years. I am incredibly privileged to have seen arguably the two best footballers ever at the same time.
I admire the way Ronaldo is so driven as a character, who is proof of what you can achieve when you maximise almost 100% of your talents with hardwork. He has a great PR machine behind him as well which helps a lot in awards whereas Messi is more organic.
Messi is out of this planet in terms of all round football capabilities. Quite simply the greatest footballer. In one game he achieves a highlight reel that most good footballers would take a season to achieve.
As a United fan I had no bias towards Ronaldo. Having watched him, Messi, Ronaldinho, Iniesta who are the greatest 3 players I have seen in the last 15 years, in my opinion Messi is the best ever having watched football since the mid 90's.
I am beyond this futile arguement, I simply enjoy watching both of them in different ways in the amazing things they are doing in their careers.
Also, most football fans judge an entire player game by game / season by season rather than holistically so this arguement is futile because hardly anyone looks at things in the grand scheme of things objectively.
Just enjoy these two while they are playing because it will be a while before we get such high calibre players playing at the same time again.
They are complete outliers in football for the past 15 years. I am incredibly privileged to have seen arguably the two best footballers ever at the same time.
I admire the way Ronaldo is so driven as a character, who is proof of what you can achieve when you maximise almost 100% of your talents with hardwork. He has a great PR machine behind him as well which helps a lot in awards whereas Messi is more organic.
Messi is out of this planet in terms of all round football capabilities. Quite simply the greatest footballer. In one game he achieves a highlight reel that most good footballers would take a season to achieve.
As a United fan I had no bias towards Ronaldo. Having watched him, Messi, Ronaldinho, Iniesta who are the greatest 3 players I have seen in the last 15 years, in my opinion Messi is the best ever having watched football since the mid 90's.
I am beyond this futile arguement, I simply enjoy watching both of them in different ways in the amazing things they are doing in their careers.
Also, most football fans judge an entire player game by game / season by season rather than holistically so this arguement is futile because hardly anyone looks at things in the grand scheme of things objectively.
Just enjoy these two while they are playing because it will be a while before we get such high calibre players playing at the same time again.
Messi is the GOAT.
Even worse. On going arguments for about 10 years in different threads and people are still not bored with this topic.
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