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As good as Ronaldo was (and he was sublime, god knows how he would've ended up if not for the injuries), his 96/97 and 97/98 seasons in Spain and Italy, while obviously great goalscoring wise, were not something that hasn't happened before. His 25 league goals in Inter were probably slightly above average for Capocannoniere from say 1993-2003, while Romario, Hugo Sanchez, and Vieri have had seasons with either slightly worse or better goalscoring ratios in Spain. If he was that good a scorer himself, you'd have expected him to be a clear cut above everyone else eider side of him, and that's just not the case.

I'd agree he'd have scored a boatload of goals, but that goes for every prime world class striker in the last 20 years or so. Shearer had a run of three 30+ league seasons, and that was done while he was being supplied by Wilcox, Ripley, Sherwood and Batty. Put peak Shearer in today's Real Madrid and make him a focal point as they already do with Ronaldo, let him take PKs and FKs and i have very little doubt he'd consistently hit 55+, maybe even 60. 80 goals is another matter though, there would have to be a perfect storm for that.

Prime Luis Nazario is the best pure striker in modern history and one of the best of all time. In modern history, when talking about strikers only Marco Van Basten and Romario can go in the same sentence. Shearer not even close.

He did score boatload of goals, but it's not about that but the way he played.
 
records and longetivity aside , please think how come CRonaldo is better than R9 ?
maybe only his heading and jumping ability and maybe longshot. The other attributes ?

are you still gonna say that CRonaldo is a better dribbler, better passer, stronger , faster , and smarter than R9 ?
Finishing, timing, stronger, faster, etc...
 
I have a feeling Messi will settle this debate at the World Cup once and for all. Russia awaits.

I predict Argentina will face Portugal at some stage and Messi will drag his team through.
 
He did score boatload of goals, but it's not about that but the way he played.
I don't get that. I watched a lot of games with Ronaldo (brazilian) back then and while he was top player of course, the way he was playing was nothing really special at all. Now Ronaldinho's way of playing was special. A lot of tricks, crazy almost futsal, street football stuff that nobody else could have done. That was special. Ronaldo Lima was a great player, he had technique, speed, great shot, but ultimately his way of playing was not unique or special.
 
I have a feeling Messi will settle this debate at the World Cup once and for all. Russia awaits.

I predict Argentina will face Portugal at some stage and Messi will drag his team through.
Messi had the chance in the last world cup, but he bottled another final with Argentina like he ALWAYS does.
 
I don't get that. I watched a lot of games with Ronaldo (brazilian) back then and while he was top player of course, the way he was playing was nothing really special at all. Now Ronaldinho's way of playing was special. A lot of tricks, crazy almost futsal, street football stuff that nobody else could have done. That was special. Ronaldo Lima was a great player, he had technique, speed, great shot, but ultimately his way of playing was not unique or special.

Nothing special? He would receive the ball on the halfway line and you would have a sense of danger every time. Not close to goal, but on the halfway line. He went from pure striker to playing occasionally as number 10 for Inter. He could do absolutely everything with the ball, from passing, or just creating chaos running with it. And that was what really was special about him, ability to create constant chaos in your defence.
Opposition managers even tried to double marked him in the game ffs. That's how good he was.

This is Nesta marking him.

 
The idea that the best player debate can be solved by winning or not winning the world cup is stupid. Messi is a better player. Whether his country are good enough to win a world cup or not is a separate thing. George Best never even played in one.
 
Messi at his best is on another level, he's the best of all time imo. The past few years Ronaldo's been better though, but when on this form, there's only one for me.
 
The idea that the best player debate can be solved by winning or not winning the world cup is stupid. Messi is a better player. Whether his country are good enough to win a world cup or not is a separate thing. George Best never even played in one.

Not by winning it but by how they perform. The 3/4/5/6/7 matches they’ll play in Russia will be bigger than the 60 matches they’ll play during the season. Not only that they’ll be the biggest matches of Messi’s career after what’s happened at international level in the past few years and if he doesn’t exceed himself and performs below his best his legacy will have a huge stain on it.

Why should I care Messi is the one who plays more through balls or dribbles more when at the end of the day when the big moments in the big competitions come Ronaldo is the one who’s more likely to decide the matches?
 
Not by winning it but by how they perform. The 3/4/5/6/7 matches they’ll play in Russia will be bigger than the 60 matches they’ll play during the season. Not only that they’ll be the biggest matches of Messi’s career after what’s happened at international level in the past few years and if he doesn’t exceed himself and performs below his best his legacy will have a huge stain on it.

Why should I care Messi is the one who plays more through balls or dribbles more when at the end of the day when the big moments in the big competitions come Ronaldo is the one who’s more likely to decide the matches?

Thats not true though. Messi has decided just as many big matches as Ronaldo if not more. The 14/15 champions league run by messi was astounding also. the performances against City, Bayern and Juve were some of the best ive ever seen. I even recall Neville saying the performance Messi had against city was one of the best hes ever seen. you lot have short memories. do you not remember the performances Againt us,milan and arsenal. And last but not least Every El Clasico is a massive match. And Messi has more often than not far outperformed Ronaldo in The clasicos
 
Ronaldo's air shot yesterday was one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time. Big decline this season for the 'big man' Couldnt happen to a nicer guy. He even tries to copy Messi's celebration. There will only ever be one great one.
 
Thats not true though. Messi has decided just as many big matches as Ronaldo if not more. The 14/15 champions league run by messi was astounding also. the performances against City, Bayern and Juve were some of the best ive ever seen. I even recall Neville saying the performance Messi had against city was one of the best hes ever seen. you lot have short memories. do you not remember the performances Againt us,milan and arsenal. And last but not least Every El Clasico is a massive match. And Messi has more often than not far outperformed Ronaldo in The clasicos
For 2 players who have appeared in the CL similar number of years and won it the same number of times, Ronaldo has scored many more goals than Messi in the CL knockout stage, and that's a fact!

As for El Clasicos, doesn't Ronaldo hold the record of scoring in the most consecutive matches?
 
Even if that's true, what good is being the so called better player if you have lesser seasons half the time?

Two quick questions..
Are you aware that football is a team sport?
Do you understand that this thread is for comparing the individual quality of two players?
 
I just have to applaud you Cal you’re the most stalwart defender of anything I’ve ever seen. The guardians of the galaxy got nothing on you.

I’d almost switch over to the Ronaldo camp :)
 
Ratings are not stats, if any website serious think that Messi was better than Ronaldo in the CL 16/17, they should just fold it in. :lol:
It's average rating per match Messi is not just a forward also a playmaker

Ronaldo plays 20-30 yards higher up the pitch than he does and Messi still puts out similar goals to him and outplays him

He set the record yesterday for most chances created in a match yesterday in La Liga this season

He's at a totally different level to Ronaldo where it's not a close competition
 
Thats not true though. Messi has decided just as many big matches as Ronaldo if not more.

That's just not true. The Champions League is the biggest club competition in the world, the Champions League knockouts are the biggest stage in world football and probably the highest level of football this sport has ever seen given the accumulation of talent at all the top clubs these days and there Ronaldo's scored more, assisted more, won more, played better, decided more matches and it's not even close. Hell, from the quarters of the CL forward Ronaldo's scored 19 goals since he's turned 29. Messi's scored 16 for his whole career.

It's similar with NT tournaments, Ronaldo has come up big and decided a lot more big matches than Messi there too. And I'm not saying Messi hasn't decided his fair share of huge games with great performances, just that Ronaldo does it way more often.
 
That's just not true. The Champions League is the biggest club competition in the world, the Champions League knockouts are the biggest stage in world football and probably the highest level of football this sport has ever seen given the accumulation of talent at all the top clubs these days and there Ronaldo's scored more, assisted more, won more, played better, decided more matches and it's not even close. Hell, from the quarters of the CL forward Ronaldo's scored 19 goals since he's turned 29. Messi's scored 16 for his whole career.

It's similar with NT tournaments, Ronaldo has come up big and decided a lot more big matches than Messi there too. And I'm not saying Messi hasn't decided his fair share of huge games with great performances, just that Ronaldo does it way more often.
Messi decided finals of the CL, when Ronaldo went into hiding. You can't place a single Final with Ronaldo where he was the main factor for winning it.
 
Messi decided finals of the CL, when Ronaldo went into hiding. You can't place a single Final with Ronaldo where he was the main factor for winning it.

I wouldn’t even bother. He’s deluded. Ronaldo has scored more in the knockouts yes, but goals aren’t the only measurement of how good someone played in a match, for instance the final vs athletico he was the worst player on the pitch. But scored a penalty in the 115th minute. It’s one one thing to say ronaldo has scored more but another to say he’s played better. Complete delusion.
 
Messi decided finals of the CL, when Ronaldo went into hiding.

Ronaldo has decided CL finals too? They've both underperformed, they've both had great performaces.

Ronaldo has had more great performances and decided more big matches than Messi in the biggest competitions in the world. And it's not even close.
 
Just so I'm clear.... we are debating their careers as a whole? Everyone's in agreement that Messi is miles ahead of Ronaldo today and probably will be from now on. We are just talking about the previous.... I mean Messi is better now and always has been but the margin is such now we are all on the same page aren't we?
 
And what are these wonderful performances by Cronaldo in international tournaments? In the Euro win he wasn’t among Portugals 5 best players ffs.
 
I wouldn’t even bother. He’s deluded. Ronaldo has scored more in the knockouts yes, but goals aren’t the only measurement of how good someone played in a match, for instance the final vs athletico he was the worst player on the pitch. But scored a penalty in the 115th minute. It’s one one thing to say ronaldo has scored more but another to say he’s played better. Complete delusion.

If goals and assists aren't a very good measurement for how an attacking player plays then I'd love to know what is, especially when it's not even close. The goal against Atletico is an outlier and you know it, most of the goals and assists he's made there were important to the final result. More goals, more assists, more wins, more memorable moments, more everything. From the quarters of the Champions League forward Ronaldo has scored 37 goals to Messi's 16 (and since you brought up penalties, Messi's the one who's scored more from the spot), it's not even close and he's made more assists too. Why do Messi's numbers go massively down? Why does he score over 1 goal a game throughout the season and when the big games come around in the biggest club competition in the world he averages less than a goal every 2 games?

Call me deluded all you want instead of arguing the point. Ronaldo was injured for that final and he still wasn't any worse than Messi was last year against PSG or in plenty of huge games for Argentina, they've both had big matches where they were great and they've both had big matches when they weren't. I'm talking about their whole careers, not one particular game.
 
Filippo Inzaghi in the CL: 68 games, 39 goals

Ronaldinho in the CL: 56 games, 21 goals

I can't be bothered to count, but i'm fairly certain Inzaghi's 1/4 finals and onwards knockout record of goals scored is even more lopsided in his favor. Using the logic prevalent here, he's unarguably a better player than Ronaldinho.
 
And what are these wonderful performances by Cronaldo in international tournaments? In the Euro win he wasn’t among Portugals 5 best players ffs.

You're out of your mind. I'd love to hear who was then... Portugal scored 9 goals, he scored 3 and assisted 3.

Sweden in 2013 and Netherlands in 2012 were better performances than Messi's ever done for Argentina in an important game. Ecuador game aside when has Messi decided a big match for Argentina?
 
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I genuinely don't know a single person who thinks Ronaldo is better who isn't either a Utd fan or attached to the idea the Messi couldn't do it on a wet Tuesday in Stoke (that the premier league is the true test of greatness)

It doesn't make us right but I'd assume the vast vast majority of football fans and people in the game see Messi as comfortably the better player
 
Ronaldo has decided CL finals too? They've both underperformed, they've both had great performaces.

Ronaldo has had more great performances and decided more big matches than Messi in the biggest competitions in the world. And it's not even close.
You don't half talk some utter tripe.
 
Two quick questions..
Are you aware that football is a team sport?
Do you understand that this thread is for comparing the individual quality of two players?
Surely the star player of the TEAM should bare some responsibility for the success or failure of the team?

Or are you going to say it’s always the team mates letting Messi down?
 
Filippo Inzaghi in the CL: 68 games, 39 goals

Ronaldinho in the CL: 56 games, 21 goals

I can't be bothered to count, but i'm fairly certain Inzaghi's 1/4 finals and onwards knockout record of goals scored is even more lopsided in his favor. Using the logic prevalent here, he's unarguably a better player than Ronaldinho.

What? Where did I argue scoring those goals made Ronaldo unarguably the better player?

I don't have any problem with anyone saying Messi is a better player, only making a point. The reason people are saying Messi is a lot better than Ronaldo is because he scores as much while being better at all round play, but that completely ignores the fact that he doesn't score nearly as much in the biggest matches of the biggest club competition in the world and that Ronaldo decides those matches a lot more often.

Secondly, the difference between Ronaldinho's and Inzaghi's all round play is A LOT bigger than Messi's and Ronaldo's. Ronaldo has a bunch more assists than Messi in the CL which I'm sure doesn't happen with Inzaghi and Ronaldinho. And even in that comparison where Inzaghi is a poacher while Ronaldinho's nearly a midfielder, the difference in goals is smaller than between Messi and Ronaldo in the knockouts which just makes it all the more ridiculous.

Is Neymar a better player than Messi now then? He creates more chances, makes more assists, has better dribble percentages, etc.. Is he a better player?
 
It's average rating per match Messi is not just a forward also a playmaker

Ronaldo plays 20-30 yards higher up the pitch than he does and Messi still puts out similar goals to him and outplays him

He set the record yesterday for most chances created in a match yesterday in La Liga this season

He's at a totally different level to Ronaldo where it's not a close competition
Seriously? You’re seriously claiming Messi had a bette CL campaign in 16/17 than Ronaldo? :lol:

As for so called chance created, that’s even more arbitrary than ‘assists’, does tapping the ball 2 yards to someone to knock it in from 40 yards count as ‘chance created’?
 
Messi decided finals of the CL, when Ronaldo went into hiding. You can't place a single Final with Ronaldo where he was the main factor for winning it.
I wonder if you’ve been in a coma? Ronaldo decided a CL final just a few months ago.
 
Seriously? You’re seriously claiming Messi had a bette CL campaign in 16/17 than Ronaldo? :lol:

As for so called chance created, that’s even more arbitrary than ‘assists’, does tapping the ball 2 yards to someone to knock it in from 40 yards count as ‘chance created’?

Hmm.

La Liga, CL, CWC and Ballon d'Or :smirk:
 
Ronaldo has decided CL finals too? They've both underperformed, they've both had great performaces.

Ronaldo has had more great performances and decided more big matches than Messi in the biggest competitions in the world. And it's not even close.

What games? I seriously can't remember r the last great Cristiano performance at big stage.
 
Messi is more versatile player, just imagine Cristiano playing midfield :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
What? Where did I argue scoring those goals made Ronaldo unarguably the better player?

I don't have any problem with anyone saying Messi is a better player, only making a point. The reason people are saying Messi is a lot better than Ronaldo is because he scores as much while being better at all round play, but that completely ignores the fact that he doesn't score nearly as much in the biggest matches of the biggest club competition in the world and that Ronaldo decides those matches a lot more often.

Secondly, the difference between Ronaldinho's and Inzaghi's all round play is A LOT bigger than Messi's and Ronaldo's. Ronaldo has a bunch more assists than Messi in the CL which I'm sure doesn't happen with Inzaghi and Ronaldinho. And even in that comparison where Inzaghi is a poacher while Ronaldinho's nearly a midfielder, the difference in goals is smaller than between Messi and Ronaldo in the knockouts which just makes it all the more ridiculous.

Is Neymar a better player than Messi now then? He creates more chances, makes more assists, has better dribble percentages, etc.. Is he a better player?

Using assists alone just won't cut it, Ronaldo has way more assists throughout his career than Iniesta for example. Do we have anyone brave enough here to claim that Ronaldo is a better passer/more creative player than Iniesta? If not, surely you have to apply some sort of context to those assists?

Stats can be used and abused ad nauseam, football is not NBA basketball, and you just can't blindly use statistics and expect to boil the game down to numbers.

Your claim that Ronaldo decides key matches much more often is obviously based on some sort of an internal criteria which defines what "deciding" the match means for you, someone else who happens to have a different view of that might end up with another conclusion.

I have no trouble when someone claims that Ronaldo scored many more goals than Messi from CL 1/4 onwards, that can be verified. When someone says that Ronaldo has clearly outplayed him in those same games though, i just don't agree, and there is literally no way i'm going to let a claim based on personal observation like that be purported as some sort of an axiom, like a Moses table handed down from a mountain where everyone has to bow down and accept it, as simple as that.
 
Using assists alone just won't cut it, Ronaldo has way more assists throughout his career than Iniesta for example. Do we have anyone brave enough here to claim that Ronaldo is a better passer/more creative player than Iniesta? If not, surely you have to apply some sort of context to those assists?

Stats can be used and abused ad nauseam, football is not NBA basketball, and you just can't blindly use statistics and expect to boil the game down to numbers.

Your claim that Ronaldo decides key matches much more often is obviously based on some sort of an internal criteria which defines what "deciding" the match means for you, someone else who happens to have a different view of that might end up with another conclusion.

I have no trouble when someone claims that Ronaldo scored many more goals than Messi from CL 1/4 onwards, that can be verified. When someone says that Ronaldo has clearly outplayed him in those same games though, i just don't agree, and there is literally no way i'm going to let a claim based on personal observation like that be purported as some sort of an axiom, like a Moses table handed down from a mountain where everyone has to bow down and accept it, as simple as that.

Great post.
 
This discussion would be so much better if some people could just admit they’re biased. It being so fecking obvious and al:lol:
 
What games? I seriously can't remember r the last great Cristiano performance at big stage.

From the last 2 years. Wolfsburg at home, Napoli at home, Bayern away, Atletico at home and Hungary during the Euros. CL final and the Euros semifinal to a lesser extent.
 
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