Because he doesn't need tricks to get by players it's time wasted for him doing that when he can just naturally do it with a quick change of direction or a feint
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Well, if he doesn't need it, why would he do stepovers or some tricks. He is one of the best dribblers of all time. Imo in top 3.
Yeah my bad. No idea why but I thought they were missing a lot more players
I think maybe the criteria for judging a player differ form person to person. I, for instance think looking at attributes would be the correct way to ascertain who the best player is. Therefor, I can barely fathom the idea that someone would rate Ronaldo higher than Messi. Others (Cal? in the last few months) rate a player on their effectiveness in big games, at which Ronaldo excelled above everyone else last year (you say consistently, but he's only about 15 goals ahead and is a few years older). In my way of seeing things however, Messi was still a far better football player everytime Ronaldo scored more. Personally I think Messi should've won all Ballon d'ors for the last ten years. Not because I'm a fan of Messi (I'm not, at all) or that I dislike Ronaldo (I do, violently), but simply because of you get to the bottom of it, Messi can do it all; fantastic dribbler / finisher / playmaker, great vision, great linkup play, hell he can even head the ball if it somehow isnt cleared by someone ever 2 feet tall. He's simply the most (one of the most) gifted players to ever walk this Earth. Being in the same conversation is an immense feet for Ronaldo, because he did it with much less (but still a very large amount of) talent.
In the end I think it's a matter of perception and if I'm honest, bias. There's nothing wrong with bias either, it makes the game so much fun. I still think Robben could've been better than Ronaldo if he stayed fit, it's ludicrous, but I still think it with my biased view.
So, I put thought into making a point in the Messi vs Ronaldo thread, I officially suck. Merry crimbo Caf.
The most amazing thing about Ronaldo is how he drags himself into these discussions. He refuses to believe he's second best, and that denial has allowed him to overcome a a 4-1 disadvantage towards Messi in terms of Ballon d'Ors. He's always strong, always striving for the titles, I think every movement in his body is calculated now, so that he can show up at the end of the season and put the ball in. By this point I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes his career with more WPTY titles than Messi. It won't change my mind one bit, as I think they're not even comparable and Messi is miles ahead, on his own, but it will surely trick the records and history books, who knows what people will be saying 30 years from now.
Yeah, I don't think he's ever been the best player in the world, but his story is beautiful.
Yeah, I don't think he's ever been the best player in the world, but his story is beautiful.
I'm kind of fed up with this opinion (not because you have it, the fact that its a general opinion)
Ronaldo has talent in spades, he showed that being younger and that's why United got him, he also showed it in the 2004 Euro, and first years at United, his style was uncoached pure, raw and technical and such a joy to see.
Doesn't matter that some people thought Quaresma was better than him, Messi went through the same with Victor Vazquez in the Barcelona youth teams, so the fact that a guy that pours football like Quaresma was regarded above Ronaldo doesn't really talk about lack of talent from Cris, more about Quaresma wasting it.
https://as.com/futbol/2010/12/09/mas_futbol/1291879648_850215.html
What Ferguson did, imo, was coach Ronaldo to be a different player to what he was looking to be in his earlier years, no more pacey, skillfull 1vs1 win player, more of an efficient scorer and physical brute, something similar to what he tried to do with Nani once Ronaldo left, we'll never know how good the alternative version of Ronaldo could've been without Ferguson influence, but we can safely assume he could be more of a Robben/Figo player, maybe not on 50 goals per season, but 30 or 40? That would still be great if he was able to bring a wider set of tools to his game.
Messi was coached, some people where asking to put him on the left wing because he had the tools to be a great winger, then there's RW Messi who wasn't at the same levels of false 9 with Guardiola, and then other coaches like Martino wanted him more as a AM/10 than as a wide player, who knows, if Mourinho or Ferguson coached Messi for the first 5 years of his career we could be talking of a "Giggsy" winger that didn't really had chances to show his finishing or perfect his cut inside and shoot defining move, I surely didn't think Ronaldo was going to become this type of player 14 years ago, and a lot of people didn't expect Messi to become a central striker capable of scoring 73 goals in a season either.
Once in a decade talent
Yeah a player breaking Real Madrid's goalscoring record/La Liga's scoring record/Champions league record/many other records/scoring more goals than he players/winning 2 Ballon d'Or's in 2 seperate countries/winning 5 ballon d'Or's to date comes along every 10 years.
As for Messi not being coached, so your saying without training and other human-beings help during during non-match days Messi the footballer would still be the same footballer? How about medical research to help him grow and make him stronger? All the shite that's been injected into him all throughout his life and probably still on.
Messi playing in the 60's wouldn't be the Messi of today as all the treatments he had as a child wouldn't have been available, so with that i would argue Messi isn't a natural talent (as you put it) but a man made freak (and i mean that in a good way), the Ivan Drago of football.
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Because they did miss a good number of players, and they treated clearly didn't care much about that game. When your manager comes right out and says the game isn't all that important and a loss wouldn't be a disaster...
Messi is virtually the same player he was when he was 18. Doesn't matter where and how his managers wanted him to play, he was always the same player. What changed was the team around him, and what they asked of him. Messi would never have been a Giggsy because at 18 he was twice the player Giggs was at his absolute best. The last part is true, but then nobody thought 73 goals in a season in the modern day was realistic 10 years ago. Football has since changed though
The first to assist with just one boot on.
He was the undisputed best player in the world the day United won the 2008 Champions League.
Messi showed him up in the 2 legs despite coming back from injury and had our whole team crapping their pants. Ronaldo flopped. That game showed me that Messi was the better footballer. Ronaldo had a better year and has had a some better years but he will never be a better footballer. Same way owen won the ballon d'or butt he was never on Zidane's level.
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Nah, we were all over Barca for several periods, the likes of Nani and Tevez missed easy chances or we would have never needed that Scholes strike to win. We were levels above them, Fergie sat back during the end, that's all. And that's 2 games in the season, Ronaldo was far and away the best player in the world at that moment.
Exactly. Cristiano went last Phenomeno a long time ago. And we all know who's the better talent out of Messi and Ronaldo. These guys are on a level that is unprecedented. It's about time people accepted it.
That statement is so deluded its hilarious.
As he does round Messi. So?
I agree with this. Huge respect for Ronaldo and his drive to be as good as he can be. He may well end up with more individual awards (depends on team success). But Messi is Messi, and a step above everyone else I've seen.
Ronaldo for me.
Very good post.
That guy came back from like 2 or 3 cruciate injuries to dominate and help win a world cup, yet he'd been written off as a player. Plus be a value member of the first Galacticos side since the Di Stefano era. Pre that he was a kid dominating the toughest league ever assembled amongst other achievement like winning wpoty. Overrated and Romanticized he is not.
I am not taking away his achievements but he simply does not compare to CR7 and Messi. These guys are a class above all. I am guessing he doesn't come close to Maradona or Pele as well but I wasn't around back then.
He is definitely romanticized with his impact. He was an icon and a once in a generation level striker but C.Ronaldo and Messi are something else.
@Arruda: Fantastic post (once again I should say). For me Messi is better and have been for most of their career but I admire Ronaldo for doing his best to be up there in terms of comparaisons. They will be missed when they retire.
Ronaldo, born: February 5, 1985
Messi, born: June 24, 1987
How is that a few? Messi played for a much more dominating side at a younger age in a much more forward position, that accounts for his so called better career record (basically scoring more when he was younger).
Robben?
There's some things that Messi did in the champions league which probably puts him ahead of Ronaldo in that competition's legacy even though Ronaldo is the top scorer and arguably last season had one of the greatest runs ever.
1. Beat Ronaldo in 2009 final
2. Beat Ronaldo in 2011 semifinals (don't talk to me about 2008 semifinal because Scholes won it)
3. 4 goals against Arsenal,iconic performance
4. 5 goals in a CL game in the knockout rounds
5. His dribble to beat boateng and score, destroying one of the best Bayerns ever
Ronaldo might be the greatest goalscorer ever, but for me, people will remember forever some of Messi's moments.
1. Beat Ronaldo in 2009 final
2. Beat Ronaldo in 2011 semifinals (don't talk to me about 2008 semifinal because Scholes won it)
3. 4 goals against Arsenal,iconic performance
4. 5 goals in a CL game in the knockout rounds
5. His dribble to beat boateng and score, destroying one of the best Bayerns ever
Ronaldo might be the greatest goalscorer ever, but for me, people will remember forever some of Messi's moments.
Brazil would probably have won WC2002 with or without him, the way France, Argentina and all the other favourites dropping like flies.
The point has been made many times, but how many times has he finished topscorer in his own league in his entire career? He's played for some of the biggest clubs in Europe, yet most of the times, fails to even be the best scorer in his league.
Clutching at straws much?
1) Messi shouldn't even have been in the final
2) The ref did more than any Barca player when he sent off Pepe for not touching whoever
3) 3 goals against Bayern and Atletico surely ranks higher than 4 against Arsenal.
4) Do you seriously want to go into CL knockout stage goals?
5) You do realize Ronaldo scored 5 in the QF against Bayern just a few months ago?
Cal is back and full of energy.
Nothing like wasting a couple of hours going round in circles until the game kicks off.
Kill'em Cal.
Just noticed your tag lolz
Clutching at straws much?
1) Messi shouldn't even have been in the final
2) The ref did more than any Barca player when he sent off Pepe for not touching whoever
3) 3 goals against Bayern and Atletico surely ranks higher than 4 against Arsenal.
4) Do you seriously want to go into CL knockout stage goals?
5) You do realize Ronaldo scored 5 in the QF against Bayern just a few months ago?
With 2 of them being offside...and Madrid shouldn't have had 11 men so if you use that for point 2...
Stay in the box and score tap ins. If Ruud van NS had that performance noone would praise him to high heavens.
Why shouldn't Madrid have had 11 men?
If it's just about staying in the box and score tap ins, I wonder why no other player thought of it.
Why shouldn't Madrid have had 11 men?
If it's just about staying in the box and score tap ins, I wonder why no other player thought of it.
Probably because no other team had carvajal, Kroos Modric Isco and Marcelo
Indeed, Messi just had to make do with the likes of Suarez and Neymar, such poor team mates.Probably because no other team had carvajal, Kroos Modric Isco and Marcelo
Or Xavi, Iniesta and David Villa.
Messi vs Real Madrid: 1 goal, 1 assist, 6 successful dribbles, 9 key passes, 5 big chances created, 10/10 rating.
https://www.sofascore.com/real-madrid-barcelona/rgbsEgb
Simply on another level to any other player in the world
https://www.sofascore.com/real-madrid-barcelona/rgbsEgb
Simply on another level to any other player in the world
This, it was outrageous the way Bayern was stolen.
Not only was one offside it was also handball by him. The ball just flopped to the ground down by his feet perfectly from the handball
They got a lot of help in that match
Yet the football world voted Ronaldo the better player in 2017.
Especially with them being handed phantom penalties in the 1st leg.
No team has ever been given more help than Barca in the Scandal of Stamford Bridge.
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