Most of the footballing world voted Ronaldo as the best player in 5 of the last 10 years.
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Cristiano would not be able to even come close to him in that period
Most of the footballing world voted Ronaldo as the best player in 5 of the last 10 years.
Anyway, I'm off now. Till later.
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Actually the average caf member appears to be in my opinion at least, considerably more intelligent and reasoned than the average fan i come across, who regurgitate Sky cliches.
Most of the footballing world voted Ronaldo as the best player in 5 of the last 10 years.
Anyway, I'm off now. Till later.
Pah what do experts in their field know over armchair fans.
Messi is better than Ronaldo in every area. Only heading and physicality Ronaldo takes.
Why are some debating this I don't know.
Why are some debating this I don't know.
Dunno that Messi was MOTM today. He appeared for the second goal, sure, but until that point he'd been one of their least effective and involved players. Iniesta, Busquets and Rakitic deserve a lot of credit for their second half performance, and Pique was a wall in the first.
Most of the footballing world voted Ronaldo as the best player in 5 of the last 10 years.
Anyway, I'm off now. Till later.
There is a difference between choosing Ballon Dor, and thinking who is better player/talent overall.
Just in caf, many who consider Messi better, also voted for Cristiano for this year's Ballon Dor.
Plus I am talking about times when they were young boys, Messi post winning U-20 World Cup,
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Silly how each sets of fan boys kick either player while they are down. Messi is slightly the better player but he will never do what Cristiano do and dominate and win 2 CL's in a row.
Im not a fan boy at all. It's clear to see Messi is the best player ever.
Nowadays it's not all that far from the truth. But anyone who thinks consistently scoring big goals in the biggest games doesn't make you an all time great shouldn't be talking about this
When I think about the clasico, I remember quite a few moments where Messi stood out. The 2011 semifinal at the bernabeu where he scored that ridiculous goal with incredible pace going past the madrid players, his performance in the 5-0, that goal in April... Ronaldo probably will be remembered for that 2012 match in the camp nou, the best way to look at the debate is seeing their head to head comparison I guess...
messi is quite obviously the better player. I'm not a messi fan boy, just calling it as it is.
this is an annoying trend though I agree.
One side you have people who only count goals and consider players like Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo overrated, than there are who are like "Oh he only scores goals" and dish Cristiano, Muller and so on overrated. It is annoying to see grown ups behave in such stupid ways.
As much as I loved seeing Ronnie at United Messi has always been a step ahead for me.
Absolute natural genius.
Absolute natural genius.
With him they thrashed them 3-0, including 2 goals and an assist by Messi himself.
I never said he was motm today nor did I imply it
Yeah at home while Juve were playing their B team. The point is Barcelona without Messi aren't a 'nothing team' like he was claiming.
We were not playing our B team. How do you even come up with that?
I remember even though Ronaldo had alot of flair and tricks, his decision making was much scrutinized from 2003 until after the world cup. Messi since he burst into the scene was just so natural at conducing the ball and playing the right passes... I don't think it's natural, Messi put in alot of hard work aswell, I mean, nobody is born with talent, I don't believe in that, but his centre of balance certainly helps him alot, I think Ronaldo fecked it by adding alot of muscle... certainly his natural body would still have him running faster.
Wasn't half of your team out injured for that game? Doesn't matter anyway, that has nothing to do with the point I was making.
Point being that Barcelona obviously aren't a nothing team without Messi which should be obvious considering how some of their players have been playing. Even Suarez who's been getting a lot of shit keeps scoring big goal after big goal.
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No it was as close to a full strength team from what I remember
Might have been missing one player but not more than that
Messi and Barca dominated us that game we weren't ever in it
Juve's lineup:
Juventus
- 1Buffon
- 2De Sciglio
- 15Barzagli
- 4Benatia
- 12Alex Sandro
- 5Pjanic
- 14Matuidi
- 30Bentancur
- 10Dybala
- 11Douglas Costa
- 9Higuaín
I think 2008-12 Barca was an amazing team beyond Messi. Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets in their prime also dominated world football. As Xavi declined and later Iniesta too, Barca never replaced them, the team became more reliant on Messi. You also see Spain falling off a cliff in 2014 and uninspired in 2016. Neymar and Suarez took off the finishing burden but it meant Messi had all the creative responsibility.
I think Real have gone opposite - the way they were set up under Mourinho relied on Ronaldo's goalscoring, ever since they became more flexible.
I was trying to be clever
Messi is a natural born genius. Like Maradona or Pelé. You don't teach those guys to pay football. Even their managers said so.
Cristiano is a once a decade talent, but even he had to learn how to play football at the highest level. Fergie had to coach him to help him realize his potential. Nobody coached Messi. Nobody could coach Messi. How do you coach a guy who can see and do things you can't even think of?
Cristiano is a once a decade talent, but even he had to learn how to play football at the highest level. Fergie had to coach him to help him realize his potential. Nobody coached Messi. Nobody could coach Messi. How do you coach a guy who can see and do things you can't even think of?
I'm pretty sure as a children, until the age of 13 or 14 at least, he was coached to some extent. How can someone just born with footballing talent in their brain ? Do you think when children are playing at school there's always that one kid who is that much better than the other kids ? I think it's impossible to fully understand how to play football until teenager years.
There's one negative point I want to make about Messi: We never really saw him doing tricks, freestyle, dancing with his feet on the ball, dinho or young C.Ronaldo style. Why he never tries that stuff ? Not even once
Messi won the battle today but Ronaldo has been winning for years now. this year it will be tight between them. Says a lot that though that a 32 year old is competing with Messi.
hahaha who cares? His dribbling, as «simple» as it is, is the best and most natural in the world for years
C.Ronaldo is by far better. Luiz Ronaldo was an all time great in his time but he's romanticized and a tad overrated on here. People romanticize players of the past that were icons quit a lot.
Luiz Ronaldo does not compare to Messi and C.Ronaldo levels. He didn't achieve close to what they did. You can blame it on injuries or weight but a few mind blowing years in his youth cannot compare to the near decade of brilliance Ronaldo and Messi have achieved.
You can go ahead with your stats and goals and trophies blablabla. Just watch them week in week out and its obvious that Messi is the better and far more complete player
Now it is. Throughout their careers that isn't the case at all and even now Ronaldo doesn't get near the credit he should outside of scoring goals. I saw a stat a couple of weeks ago that noone in a Madrid shirt had created more chances than him so far this season and there's a reason their assist numbers aren't far apart from eachother.
His best performance last year was probably against Napoli at home where he didn't score once for example so saying he does nothing outside scoring is just obviously not true. Obviously Messi does more though.
Messi at 7 was picking the ball up and driblling past the entire team. At 13, he was doing the same thing. At 16, he was doing the same thing. What coaching could anyone give him beyond "pick the ball up and dribble everyone and score"?
Are you serious with this?
The difference is people who think Messi’s better and it’s not even a contest look at their atributes rather than their accomplishments or effectiveness at helping their teams win the biggest trophies. Ronaldo could carry Portugal to a World Cup trophy with a hattrick every game while Messi flopped at the WC and it still wouldn’t change people’s minds even though that or the complete opposite would inequivocally put one ahead of the other.
Throughout their careers, Ronaldo has outperformed Messi in the Champions League and internationally imo, especially in the latter stages of tournaments and Messi being consistently better doesn't mean he's the better player since the bigger competitions aren't won on consistency. That's just the way I see it.
Just like Messi is consistently better now but if he gets at the end of the year and fails to show up in the 5 or 6 big games at the Champions League and at the World Cup then I doubt he'll be happy with his season.
Throughout their careers, Ronaldo has outperformed Messi in the Champions League and internationally imo, especially in the latter stages of tournaments and Messi being consistently better doesn't mean he's the better player since the bigger competitions aren't won on consistency. That's just the way I see it.
Just like Messi is consistently better now but if he gets at the end of the year and fails to show up in the 5 or 6 big games at the Champions League and at the World Cup then I doubt he'll be happy with his season.
The stat for chance creation is rubbish. It doesn't actually account for chances "created". If player X picks out a perfect pass to free a teammate through in behind the defence for player Y, and player Y squares the ball to player Z for the open-goal tap-in, that counts as a chance created by player Y.
And Cristiano's best performance was against Atletico Madrid
He was a different beast in his prime, but now he's really all about what he does without the ball, and finishing. His flashes of brilliance on the ball are few and far between
Well, i just find it weird that he never tries it, he likely can do it with the amount of skill he has. I know he doesn't need it
That's not true. Difference between them was even bigger before, but people do recognize what Cristiano did in a past few years in CL and with Euro. Enough for some to even call him better. Not for me, but that's not the point.
He did get recognition by most people.
Every side is trying to put down achievements of the other player.
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