Absolutely. Can anyone actually imagine Ashley Young, Valencia and Nani being being tolerated at Madrid for so long at the level they've shown for us? They'd be out the door in one season.
Mehdi Benatia | Signed for Bayern Munich
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Or Welbeck getting so many games?
Real is the other extreme to be honest. Players are sold even when they do a great job at the club (Sneijder, Owen, Ozil)
Absolutely. I'm not advocating us becoming madrid. But the standards should not be allowed for slip.
So this is basically only reported by SKY. It's odd that nobody else has any info.
Jim White seems to have a flawless record when it comes to calling transfers on twitter so far, but knowing our luck, this will probably be the first time he is wrong.
Jim White seems to have a flawless record when it comes to calling transfers on twitter so far, but knowing our luck, this will probably be the first time he is wrong.
As said we went to the other extreme. If a player is doing well then he should be encouraged and played irrespective on whether there's a big name player ahead of him in the pecking order. After all that's exactly what we did with the class of 92 (Scholes, Giggs, Gaz and Beckham went on replacing internationals Ince, Sharpe, Parker and Kanchelskis). However once a player cant produce the goods on a regular basis then we should let him go irrespective on what he thinks or what he did for the club etc. What many sentimentalists forget is
a) that for those players to actually make it, others had to be sacrificed. Back in mid/early 90s the likes of Sharpe, Ince, Kanchelskis and Parker had sweated blood for the club and yet they were still shown the door to give space to the new generation. If SAF showed the same kind of sentimentalism with the other guys then we would probably never heard of the class of 92 in the first place (or Paul Scholes would have ended up a Juventus legend)
b) the club had made this guys MILLIONAIRES.
We owe them nothing
Benatia would be an absolute beast at whatever price we have to pay. Even if it's well in the 30s or 40 million we should go for it. He would be that consistent figure at the back leading a very inexperienced back line.
This is why I'm quite angry at how Fergie overemphasized the concept of "family spirit" in the team without any regard of how lacking or, in the opposite, talented a player is. It looks like he completely forgot how to cut ties with players who don't cut it.
Someone once said that with Ferrari, Formula 1 drivers who are with the Scuderia should know this: You are family and friend to the commendatore (i.e. the commander, the chief) as long as you win. The minute you don't, ciao, ciao. That is something United should and must have of a mindset in order to make this a very competitive team.
Agree.
And also, if you allow mediocre performing players to stick around for ages, can you expect immaculate standards from your top players?
Just so sad reading the OP.
Why don't we target quality players when they're cheaper/ more likely to come and on the verge of exploding into prominence ? It used to be one of our strengths - Schmeichel, Cantona, VDS, Evra, Vidic...
Why don't we target quality players when they're cheaper/ more likely to come and on the verge of exploding into prominence ? It used to be one of our strengths - Schmeichel, Cantona, VDS, Evra, Vidic...
that was exactly my fear throughout the past few years. If the club keep mediocre performing players to remain at the club then many will start question the club's ambition. Some will become complacent while others would simply ask to leave and join clubs were players actually give a damn.
We've been stressing on how big the club is. Its time we act like a big club. We need some nasty quality players who are hungry for success. Benatia, Vidal etc would never settle for second best.
Well, its because 2 years ago we were counting on Jones and Smalling to come good. Also, I think Fergie wasn't a fan of having African players here anyway (ANC).Just so sad reading the OP.
Why don't we target quality players when they're cheaper/ more likely to come and on the verge of exploding into prominence ? It used to be one of our strengths - Schmeichel, Cantona, VDS, Evra, Vidic...
I just want to see us sign the two or three players LVG wants, and then just let him shake this team up to the core. I think he'll sort this lot right up. I think we've gotten the ideal man for this job. Just need to back him up so he can get the job done quicker.
Having issues with African players and Germans... Look where we are now by not even trying, Fergie.
Compilation time.
So can this guy push up and start moves comfortably? Evans and a good ball playing defender as two of the three would be nice.
Com on Woody. You're allowed to sign players
Same shit different player.
Sigh
To be fair those quotes are a pretty unconvincing "denial". Indicate more something is happening but Benatia is behaving professionally etc..
Sky Sports news on TV just said that we're close to adding another signing, Benatia and Sky sources understand we're very close to agreeing a fee with Roma. This is so confusing, mixed signals everywhere!
It is because Sky are the only ones going with it.
The last time they committed this much and failed when it comes to Manchester United was Hazard. I hope it's not a similar scenario. I remember they reported on TV that Hazard had chosen us.
Is he any good?
I can't ever recall ever watching him or having even heard his name until these rumours began.
I can't ever recall ever watching him or having even heard his name until these rumours began.
He was a very hit and miss player most of his career until he turned 25 and magically became a very consistent top defender. He's got a very well rounded skill set and has showed his dominance throughout the season for Roma. I rate him very highly.
The last time they committed this much and failed when it comes to Manchester United was Hazard. I hope it's not a similar scenario. I remember they reported on TV that Hazard had chosen us.
He had chosen us over other options till Chelsea won the CL and came flashing more cash at him and his agent.
Except the quickly withdrawn Mccarthy story last time Sky were probably wrong regarding United was re the Pogba renewal.
It's odd nobody is backing this up. I think we are still negotiating probably.
Family spirit or not, fergie s methods worked and his record speaks for itself so please stop spouting shit.
He's above average playing from the back but from what i've seen it's not his strongest point especially long passes or building attacks as such.
But here's the problem: at the end pf his career Fergie lost that ruthlessness and showed a lot of sentimentalism. For instance by playing Giggs in midfield, even though we were always getting overun with him in it, and not giving opportunities to players like Pogba. We're now paying the price for it.
The Sunday Express says we're 'preparing' a bid. I hate that sentence.
Awesome. We've moved on from the monitoring phase. Woohoo!
We're preparing a bid, yes, but do we know that he is a target?
Go read the following instead of calling people ignorant. We are currently paying the price for Fergie's sentimentalism of the last few years.
Exactly what some people seem to have a hard time understanding. The Fergie of old would have shunned players who didn't cut it anymore before long instead of being the big sentimental he is now. I keep wondering what he was thinking.
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We are class and preparing bids
When asked about a possible transfer to City, Sabatini replied by saying if David Luiz is worth 50m, Benatia's weaker leg is worth 30m. This was at the time when David Luiz was sold.
Here, found the exact quote.
It's very strange that they would accept a similar fee only a few months later. Would the Glazers be ready to spend £48m? I think not.
Here, found the exact quote.
It's very strange that they would accept a similar fee only a few months later. Would the Glazers be ready to spend £48m? I think not.
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He didn't address the midfield in his last few years but he still won titles. All Moyes had to do and now all LVG has to do is address the midfield.
It shouldn't be that big a deal. Not sure what else we are currently paying the price of from that damn Fergie though. He can't be blamed for both Vidic and Evra leaving prematurely.
The last bit worries me. £28m is a fair price for him, Woodward would be foolish to try and get that down.
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