Not that odd is it? Fans in their post-signing positive haze, pundits being negative to get attention.
Matthijs de Ligt | Red Devil
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Comparisons with van Dijk make no sense. He cannot reach that level. Simply not that profile but that isn't his fault. He's a Rúben Dias type, not a van Dijk or a Saliba. But we have that in Yoro so we are chilling.
Have pretty low expectations. I just can't trust a player with his history, Italians worship defence and Bayern don't sell players of a certain standard. At least the strategy of building a side from the back is a sound one.
I have the opposite expectations. I actually think he will be excellent for us.
I'm not sure what went wrong for him at Juventus but i wouldn't read too much into Bayern letting him go. They seem to have been making peculiar moves in the transfer market for around 3 or 4 years now.
Despite maybe a slight lack of pace, De Ligt has all the attributes to be awesome for us. Strong, good reader of the game, superb organiser, composed on the ball..... I think he will be a huge hit and at the end of the season - we will look at his transfer fee as an absolute steel.
I'm interested in what they say as the caf record for judging transfers is woeful.
Yes, I'd have more confidence if he was being hyped by the media.
You seem very concerned in what I say for some reason though.
People doubting him i think go on the back of some cheap narratives like why he left Juve and now Bayern. He was top class for both and will be top class for us. He is one of the biggest pure CB talents and still young. I think if Yoro turns out half as good as the hype, Lisandro will be in trouble getting a look in, de Ligt will be a guarantee.
His leadership should be a massive asset. It's unusual for someone to be captain at such a young age at any level, even more impressive to do so at a club like Ajax.
It's something we've been lacking for years but with De Ligt, Martinez and I think Dalot is growing into that role also, the defence at least is looking pretty strong in that area now.
It's something we've been lacking for years but with De Ligt, Martinez and I think Dalot is growing into that role also, the defence at least is looking pretty strong in that area now.
Are there any interviews with him after he joined?
What ex players and media are you listening to though? If it's the sky sports and talksport regulars then that's on you, as they are all pretty terrible. I doubt any of them have watched more than a handful of De Ligt's games over the last 4 years. Most of them probably thought Mazraoui was a type of car or something.
There are plenty of articles or podcasts out there, and not just those run by United fans, that have given a much better take on these signings. Generally the consensus is that they both have something to prove, but they're both good players who improve the squad talent floor, good ages, and very reasonable fees.
Unfortunately that type of analysis doesn't generate clicks.
Funnily enough I think we're more likely to see De Ligt and Yoro as first choice CBs by the end of the season. Martinez is overrated for me.
So you don’t care about a random person’s opinion on this forum but you care about a random person’s opinion on TV. Just cause they are a “pundit” or an ex player doesn’t mean what they say is true or will turn out to be true.
I must have missed where I said either opinion was guaranteed to be accurate.
If he's the great player, that he actually is, the the pundit was wrong with his initial take. If he is overrated as you seem to believe, then the pundit is wrong in his apology. Either way stop listening to pundits.
If De Ligt is going to push Martinez out as a starter and is better than any defender we had last season what have you even been on about for the last 2 pages?
After his usual parody post. ….. …
I believe he will be excellent for us. He had a great apprenticeship in several big leagues. It cannot be easy to play under a different manager with different tactics every year. With every manager has his own way of playing that sometimes doesn’t suit his game. Under ETH where he knows the play style the tactics what the manager wants and let’s not forget had his most successful time he will come good
Im surprised you don’t care about Pep’s opinion when he called Martinez a top 5 CB in the world after the FA cup final given how other people’s opinion influences your own opinion. He is an ex player and he is on TV.
If Martinez is fit and healthy, he starts no question about it. It would more about who starts at RCB now with De Ligt and Yoro when both are healthy
I didn’t use the word guaranteed either. Also you got to make your mind. You saying you will be hyped more for a signing if a pundit hypes up the transfer but at the same time you don’t fully believe the pundit either, if they hype up a signing, that the transfer can be a success?
People should take your opinions with a pinch of salt, you also think Maguire is better than De Ligt.
Martinez is absolutely class, not sure what you are watching when judging defenders.
I assume you only rate defenders that can head the ball and are big and strong, otherwise I cannot understand how you can think Maguire is better than De Ligt and Martinez is overrated.
As should everyone's on here. I don't value yours one bit.
My opinions prove to be far more right than most on here though as worthless as that is.
De Ligt, quite obviously. Yoro a backup.
I'm lost with what you're babbling on about now. I think I'll leave it there with you.
I thought you didn't rate De Ligt?
A look into the nonsense that he apparently lost his place to Dier shows it is not true so the pundits who say that need to be ignored as bluffers.
To be fair that's such a Pep thing to say, especially after a loss. He always does as much as he can to uplift the opponent and paint themselves as some sort of underdog.
Not that I don't think Licha is very good, but top 5 is a bit of a stretch IMO.
He’s quite obviously not one of the best 5 defenders in the world, whilst being a very good player.
You can’t really have a claim to be a top 5 defender (or any other position for that matter) without ever being exposed to late stages CL / international tournaments football IMO.
The biggest hope is that he'll be able to fill that gaping hole between the right fullback and the right central midfielder in the build-up. It's a crucial role in our current tactics. After all, one of his major strengths is that he can pick a pass. The star defender, Varane, for all his other qualities, often looked lost at sea in that role (which, i guess, played its part in the rumoured issues between him and ETH). Maguire is too slow on the ball, while the others (Lindelof, Evans etc.) are more miss than hit.
On the other hand, the elation of signing a good player in a position we needed strengthening shouldn't make us shrug off all criticism. What he hasn't done yet, both in Turin and Munich, is to convince the Italians that he can pick up the mantle from the ageing Chiellini/Bonucci and the Germans that he can be relied on to build a defence around him. Both clubs paid a premium price to get just that. Also, if i'm not mistaken, his flourishing at Ajax coincided with the more experienced Blind partnering him at the back and organizing the defence.
The good news is that INEOS didn't pay for that. But the question as to who will lead the defence still remains unanswered. Hopefully, it will be a fit Martinez, but if injuries strike again, we may find ourselves between a rock and a hard place.
On the other hand, the elation of signing a good player in a position we needed strengthening shouldn't make us shrug off all criticism. What he hasn't done yet, both in Turin and Munich, is to convince the Italians that he can pick up the mantle from the ageing Chiellini/Bonucci and the Germans that he can be relied on to build a defence around him. Both clubs paid a premium price to get just that. Also, if i'm not mistaken, his flourishing at Ajax coincided with the more experienced Blind partnering him at the back and organizing the defence.
The good news is that INEOS didn't pay for that. But the question as to who will lead the defence still remains unanswered. Hopefully, it will be a fit Martinez, but if injuries strike again, we may find ourselves between a rock and a hard place.
I don't rate him as the world beater many do (but hope he proves me wrong), but then I'm the same with Martinez.
Posters replying looking for an argument just like to take it to extremes as usual.
Played more minutes than Dier too in the league - Not sure how some of these comparisons are made, I think the pundits are better off being honest and saying they aren't too sure on him..
I disagree.
Martinez is by far our best CB. As guardiola said he was the difference in the FA final.
Ye I watched some guy the other day make a very good point. Saying most times Dier played De Ligt was his partner so no idea how people are saying he lost his place to Dier.
Yeah I’m the one who is babbling when you flip back and forth between your own opinions.
He doesn’t rate Martinez or De Ligt or any signing the media or pundits aren’t hyped about BUT he rates Maguire and considers him our best defender.
I can agree with your first sentence but Martinez literally won the World Cup (where he was heavily involved throughout the tournament) and the Copa America this summer gone as the undisputed starter.
Well it could be seen that coming on a United forum and not rating the starting CBs is looking for an argument.
Lazy idiots with no professional pride just parroting other ignoramuses.
We don't have another defender that's anywhere near Martínez's build-up capabilities and passing, especially among our CBs. He's also the most press-resistant centre half in the world. Not just ETH, I think any manager would do their best to find a spot for him in the XI, be it at LCB or LB.
What he provides in possession is absolutely essential, even if defensively he's not our best centre half.
My guess is we'll see more of him at LB this season. Don't disagree that's he's excellent on the ball.
If posts like this are 'looking for an argument' then fair enough. I'll say no more.