I have a hunch him and Hojlund will be a frequent assist/goal combination this coming season, and both can be either scorer or assister.
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Fred was a decent player, but we made him play a role that exposed his weaknesses and made him look much worse than he was. That's not on him, but since you're so obsessed with Mount's stats, surely you can see Fred's good stats from his earlier years here.
Regarding Mount, he's playing a new role and once again, he's only played 150 minutes. That's not even two full matches, so it's quite unbelievable how you can judge him based on that. If you're going to judge him based on his time in Chelsea, you should know that - since you use expected assists - over his two most recent seasons before their car crash of a season in 22/23, he was ranked 4th in Premier League for expected assists, only beaten by Bruno, TAA and Son and 5th for chances created. He also ranks high up (7th) in PL for attacking sequence involvements. As you can see, he is quite clearly a decent player and much better than what you give him credit for. He offers much more than just pressing, and you saying he is shit doesn't really change that. It's just an incorrect statement that carries no substance, but because he hasn't shown anything yet playing less than two full matches in a role he's not used to, you've already written him off.
By the way, did you not see him press a Leeds' defender during pre-season to create a chance for himself where he lobbed the keeper and it went slightly over the crossbar? If you didn't see the match, then fair enough, but he's already shown it and will do it again, but it doesn't really matter because you're never going to praise him or give him credit for anything.
I agree with you in regard to Fred. I actually thought he was ok, all things considering. I've not got much bad to say about Fred, considering the way we misused him terribly. My comment was in regard to those that constantly shit on him. Apologies if you misunderstood the point I was making. That's on me - I should have described it better and I worded it poorly.
I haven't written Mount off at all. Surprisingly, I genuinely hope he does ok. I support Manchester United, so naturally, I don't want our players to perform poorly. Saying that, he doesn't get a free ride on the premise that he's coming to a new team, new position etc. Other's don't get this - which is the point I was making (terribly), when I quoted Fred and Weghorst.
A spade is a spade. He's been shit, and continues to be shit. If he starts performing, I'd be more than happy to acknowledge. I have no doubt, at all, that people will throw this in my face if he comes good. But the thing is, I am judging him on the current situation and his most recent form. My comments about how awful he has been are entirely justifiable. Undeniably, he's been awful. That isn't even contentious - you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that could lay claim to the fact that he's been 'good' for the last 18 months. Because he hasn't been. (Cue excuses).
To me, recency is a thing in football. Look at Dele Alli as a shining example. Look at Alexis Sanchez, Paul Pogba, etc. These WERE good players, at one stage in their career. I throw Mount in the same bucket until he proves me otherwise. He WAS 'decent', but he hasn't been for 18 months or so. And coming to United has changed nothing in that regard. His first few matches, (and pre-season), he's been absolutely dire; which is a continuance of his Chelsea form. The excuses for how shit he's been are incredible. New team, new position, we've been poor and that's reflected on his performances, etc. etc. Please. If he cannot perform to at least a mediocre level, when trying to impress and win over the fans, that doesn't bode well for him for the future.
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If he’s back for Brighton/Bayern he has to do something or he’ll quickly become a meme.
I think there's a case of Mount being a genuinely quality player but its all in correlation to his position and responsibility. He looked awful for England as an 8 and now that moment has mirrored itself with his task at United (typical).
Yes it's less than 5 games but there's enough in feasibility of what he's shown and compounding it to realise what the players impact could be a few more games down the line. If Mount plays as a 10 the sense of direction around his influence totally changes. It feels like he can linkup well with Rashford and they can both use each others movement to maneuver space. He'll be closer to the opposition goal and he will benefit from the creativity of Bruno who has pulled strings in deeper positions last season.
It's almost similar to what Arteta is trying to do Havertz and the outcry from the fans due to this impacting the role of Partey.
Yes it's less than 5 games but there's enough in feasibility of what he's shown and compounding it to realise what the players impact could be a few more games down the line. If Mount plays as a 10 the sense of direction around his influence totally changes. It feels like he can linkup well with Rashford and they can both use each others movement to maneuver space. He'll be closer to the opposition goal and he will benefit from the creativity of Bruno who has pulled strings in deeper positions last season.
It's almost similar to what Arteta is trying to do Havertz and the outcry from the fans due to this impacting the role of Partey.
In his 3rd / 4th game he’ll become a meme?
Apology accepted. It’s more to do with the incessant moaning and inability to give one of our signings a half chance before spouting the same old tired rhetoric and failing to gauge his qualities. He’s a good footballer and has proven it before - whether he proves to be a success here remains to be seen. But deciding that after a couple of games for us and not just that but constantly showering post after post of criticism for no apparent reason, seems odd.
That’s what we like to see. Fans who genuinely want their players to do “ok”.
Not necessarily from United fans. The media and opposition fans love to sling mud and will jump in any available opportunity. This is our new #7 and priority transfer target. The platform is there, and if he doesn’t perform, and quickly, social and mainstream media will pounce.
I mean, look at Maguire as a shining example of the above.
Everyone becomes a meme. This place is doing it with Nunez and Havertz.
The real question is : Do you stay a meme ?
The real question is : Do you stay a meme ?
Would probably just post ‘feel the love’ all the time!
I’ll get my coat! Damn it, just realised it’s rudimental not rudimentary. Meh.
he’s going to get fit and look a lot more useful. I still think if I was putting money on it I’d say fairly confidently he’s going to be a really good signing for us. It seems like with Fred people can’t seem to get their heads around a player who isn’t a pure out and out attacker or a defensive monster. Work rate and ability to also make things happen is a lovely balanced player.
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Lovely balanced player is what I would call player like Valverde, Jude Bellingham, or Gavi.
It's damning that Madrid is allowed to have 2 of them.
I would also take Barella or Rice.
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The longer he is absent the more I start thinking we could really need him. At least he runs around a lot and is decent in link-up play.
Luckhurst saying Mount will occupy Antonys role as a RW.
Like many of us said here.
Like many of us said here.
This wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world by any means. He‘s got great versatility which factored into the price we paid for him.
I’d be interested to see how he does on the left if Rashford gets injured or goes through a poor spell like he’s going through now. At least Mount is more likely to pass the ball to the likes of Hojlund or Bruno, rather than go for glory from ridiculous angles and ranges Ronaldo style.
He’s going to be absolutely useless in that role. No pace, no ability to beat a man, a bang average cross. Wait he’s the perfect Antony replacement. ETH signing his own death warrant with his shitty eye for talent.
Would rather see him at RW than at CM tbf. He's a lot better around the box than he is dictating play from deep.
Didn’t he play there under Tuchel? And was pretty influential in them winning the CL.
Crossing is one of his strengths.
The lad has played what 2 games for us?? He might not be what a lot of people wanted but he’s no where near as bad as some are making out on here.
Is it feck, he’s got an average cross at best. The proof will be in the shitty food poisoning inducing pudding when he plays there.
Havertz won the CL for Chelsea. I wish people would stop banging on about it. He’s a nothing player who we were stupid enough to pay £55m for with just a year left on his contract. I’ll let the season play out for everyone to come to the same obvious realisation. Number 7 on over £250k a week. Only this useless club would be stupid enough to offer those terms.
I didn’t realise you only play one game in the CL, also who assisted Havertz for his goal again? He was voted Chelsea’s player of the season twice. I’m certainly not his biggest fan either and questioned the signing at the time but he’s here now and I’ll give him a chance. I certainly won’t be judging him after 2 fecking games!
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Think he was getting blamed for us being so open defensively as well. Luckily we've tightened up at the back with him out injured..
Maybe not actual crossing like Beckham would do, but you get the idea what he could offer from the right in this video
Yep, Eriksen is a great defensive option in place of him, just what we all wanted.
If someone told me this was being said by a United fan 2/3 years ago I would have laughed at them
.Haha yes we’ve shaped right up!
When is he back?
We're in the minority in this thread. But you are spot on and 100% correct.
"A nothing player" is the perfect way to describe him. He does nothing particularly well. Actually, I lie. He runs around a bit; and apparently he's 'tidy'. Is that the standard we've stooped to? Run around, be a bit tidy? That's acceptable?
Worst is when people throw the "He was 2x Chelsea POTY!". He was NOWHERE near their best player. It was an example of nepotism at his finest; being one of 'their own'. He's been absolute dog shit for the past 18 months for club and country, and that hasn't changed since he has come to United. (Cue: He's only played two games for United! And all of Chelsea have been rubbish for 18 months!) Would the same argument be made for Dele Alli? 2x Premier League young POTY? He was good once, too? Like I said elsewhere: recency is a real thing in football. You're only as good as recent performances. 18 months is a very, very, long time to be shite.
Some of you are way too angry for your own good.
Continual acceptance of mediocrity is part of the reason the club's in the shit.
He's a very good player, and I know you don't like him, but saying things like "he does nothing particularly well" is just wrong. He wouldn't be part of a midfield that won the Champions League against Manchester City if he did nothing particularly well. He is not at Thomas Müller's level, but he is a player I like to think of that can be compared in the sense that they're not very fast, they're not excellent dribblers, they're not super strong, but what they do have is quick thinking, football intelligence, insane work rate and they are decent at other aspects. Mount is the only player in the midfield that is able to quickly change the direction of the play and drive the ball forward on the half turn. It's like Alphonso Davies said about Müller; he didn't know how he could be a professional football player by just watching him on the tv (not literally, but the lack of actual abilities that is pleasing to the eye), but Müller is all about movement, half-turns and quick touches. Things like that can quickly change a game, and while Mount is not as good as Müller, he has these abilities.
I don't understand why you can't wait to see how he performs for us before judging him. If he performs consistently shit for a long period, then fine. You always say he has been shit for 18 months, but that's not true. He was injured, and he played for a Chelsea that found themselves in an absolute mess. Not really ideal to judge a player on his performances when he's out injured?
Im confused by this signing too, but I find it crazy to come to any conclusion on mount. What has he played, 2 games? I imagine ten hag sees himself capable of coaching him into a more dynamic partner for casemiro and Im happy to see that play out.
Mate, I’ve been saying this since before we signed him. There’s this weird shift in a players perceived ability when we sign someone. I remember when people were salivating at DVBs cameo, he did absolutely nothing as always but you hear stuff like ‘press resistant’ and then you know they're a nothing player if that’s all they’ve got going for them.
I don’t rate Mount at all but I’m so sick of the current players that I’ll be glad when he’s back, until I see him play that is, and I’m sure his brother is going to have loads to say about his consistent 0 stats.
People putting hope on this guy will be massively disappointed. There wont be any difference to our game or results, because he is a nothing entity. He has no influence on games, especially when things get tough.
The bolded part is just laughable and shows your evident bias. Just admit it, you didn't watch Chelsea. How can you arrive at this conclusion when the Chelsea fans on this forum all agree? Not necessarily the best, but the "nowhere" in caps lock..
I think around 50% of their posts this season having been slagging off Mason Mount. Incredible really.The bolded part is just laughable and shows your evident bias. Just admit it, you didn't watch Chelsea. How can you arrive at this conclusion when the Chelsea fans on this forum all agree? Not necessarily the best, but the "nowhere" in caps lock..
He played 150 minutes for us so far and we have people on this forum writing him off as some fringe player. Jesus Christ. At least give him until Christmas before declaring him a flop. Some fans we have, if you refuse to slate every single player on a daily basis you are apparently "accepting mediocrity ".
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