Mason Greenwood, Marseille Footballer | Read the thread rules in the OP before posting

[duffer]

Not sure why you’d need audio of him driving under the influence and killing a friend?

If you don't think having audio of something horrific makes people's reaction different, OK but I disagree strongly.

I personally think if there was no audio and no pics of what Greenwood did, he'd still be a Man United player.

This has been discussed over and over here though, both with Greenwood and Alonso.

 

[groovyalbert]

He’s an absolute knob, but i still find it interesting how little focus there was on Marcos Alonso, who did something a «bit» worse and happily continued his career in England without much spotlight on him.

If he had been playing for Utd and social media was what it is today then there would have been. But also don't forget how unbelievably sinister and disturbing that audio recording of MG is, regardless of whatever the context may have been.

The implied intent there was horrible and I don't know how any employer could allow someone like that back into their place of work after hearing it, especially at a time when the club was aiming to build their reputation and place amongst the women's game.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

What Marcos Alonso did had worse consequences than what Greenwood is alleged to have done. But I don't think it's the same situation, morally.

Him and his friends went out partying and drinking, they all chose to get in that car, and the person who died was not wearing a seatbelt. Although he is primarily responsible, everyone involved had some degree of culpability, harsh as it sounds. He went through a legal process, in which he never denied wrongdoing, and instead of receiving a jail sentence, he had to pay fines, plus additional money he paid to the family ('voluntarily'). This is fairly common in Spain, there is a discussion here in which Spanish people don't entirely disagree with what happened.

After that you're basically left with a discussion on whether someone who admitted wrongdoing and was convicted should be rejected from society.

 

[Posh Red]

What Marcos Alonso did had worse consequences than what Greenwood is alleged to have done. But I don't think it's the same situation, morally.

Him and his friends went out partying and drinking, they all chose to get in that car, and the person who died was not wearing a seatbelt. Although he is primarily responsible, everyone involved had some degree of culpability, harsh as it sounds. He went through a legal process, in which he never denied wrongdoing, and instead of receiving a jail sentence, he had to pay fines, plus additional money he paid to the family ('voluntarily'). This is fairly common in Spain, there is a discussion here in which Spanish people don't entirely disagree with what happened.

After that you're basically left with a discussion on whether someone who admitted wrongdoing and was convicted should be rejected from society.

I find it bizarre that there’s even a need to try and compare the situations to start with, to be honest.

 

[sullydnl]

He’s an absolute knob, but i still find it interesting how little focus there was on Marcos Alonso, who did something a «bit» worse and happily continued his career in England without much spotlight on him.

Partly because while killing someone in a car accident might be worse in terms of impact, sexual assault tends to provoke a more visceral emotional response from people. Partly because people heard the audio of the Greenwood incident, which made it even more visceral. Partly because Greenwood was playing for a much bigger club, making it a much more high profile story.

But also partly because Alonso was convicted and punished. Most people would say he was given an overly lenient sentence (i.e. a fine and a driving ban) but at least there was something.

Whereas in Greenwood's case it never made it as far court, but the audio everyone heard was also never explained in any way. Which left the public with the suspicion that he got away with rape and/or assault.

 

[Shane88]

Rumours of him going to PSG for €75 million. That would be a nice chunk of change for us with a 40-50% sell on clause.

 

[talking robot]

Rumours of him going to PSG for €75 million. That would be a nice chunk of change for us with a 40-50% sell on clause.

Why would Marseille agree to that? Our 50% sell on clause eats far too much into their profit margin I'd suspect.

 

[yumtum]

Why would Marseille agree to that? Our 50% sell on clause eats far too much into their profit margin I'd suspect.

It's probably 50% above what they paid for him, so if they paid €30m (I can't remember) then we'd get an additional €22.5m while they get €55
5m.

 

[talking robot]

It's probably 50% above what they paid for him, so if they paid €30m (I can't remember) then we'd get an additional €22.5m while they get €55
5m.

ok! that makes a lot more sense.

 

[Lay]

Rumours of him going to PSG for €75 million. That would be a nice chunk of change for us with a 40-50% sell on clause.

Marseille selling to PSG would probably start a riot. Think they've made one transfer between the teams in 20 years

 

[daba]

If the PSG rumours were to come true we’ve ended up doing pretty well from the whole mess. £40m (there or thereabouts) for a player who was effectively a useless asset due to being morally unplayable is pretty good going.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Most ligue 1 clubs are not currently in a position to refuse that kind of money barring PSG themselves.

 

[Hammondo]

Most ligue 1 clubs are not currently in a position to refuse that kind of money barring PSG themselves.

Same for us tbh.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Can’t we buy more % from Marseille as part of the deal to sell him? Either way it would represent basically 60 million total, shame he’s a scumbag, because he’d walk into our ST spot imo.

 

[Bobby_2024]

Marseille selling to PSG would probably start a riot. Think they've made one transfer between the teams in 20 years

Why cant we buy him back for 30M euros and sell him to PSG for 75M?, 45M pure profit

 

[Oo0AahCantona]

Hows he been doing in france?

 

[Shane88]

Hows he been doing in france?

15 goals, 3 assists in 24 appearances.

 

[antk]

Why cant we buy him back for 30M euros and sell him to PSG for 75M?, 45M pure profit

Because Marseille obviously wouldn't sell him for 30M€.

 

[ColvaleGoa]

Looks like Bayern are Interested...let's hope there is a bidding war

 

[golden_blunder]

The first 100m scumbag?

 

[Kinsella]

Any sources for all this interest?

 

[duffer]

Any sources for all this interest?

It'll be some some random Twitter account that has gambling adverts in every other tweet.

If it's a decent source, people post it.

 

[Carl]

The first 100m scumbag?

Just the first that's been caught..

 

[Chief123]

Why cant we buy him back for 30M euros and sell him to PSG for 75M?, 45M pure profit

Because we don’t have a buy-back clause. Only a sell on clause. Marseille are obviously not going to sell to us for cheaper than they can get from PSG.

 

[Kinsella]

It'll be some some random Twitter account that has gambling adverts in every other tweet.

If it's a decent source, people post it.

 

[Acrobat7]

Looks like Bayern are Interested...let's hope there is a bidding war

Never in a thousand years. Show your source.

 

[Posh Red]

Never in a thousand years. Show your source.

There won’t be one, so I wouldn’t worry.

 

[romufc]

These are baseless rumours. He scored a few goals and like most players who are seemingly doing well, they get linked to bigger clubs.

Nothing story until a reputable journalist reports it.

 

[Acrobat7]

There won’t be one, so I wouldn’t worry.

Only wanted to give the poster a chance before I put him on ignore.

 

[Remember the geese]

Only wanted to give the poster a chance before I put him on ignore.

Hardly a reason to put someone on ignore.

 

[LARulz]

After the Boateng drama there is little chance Bayern would touch him

 

[Doracle]

Never in a thousand years. Show your source.

There’s various articles stating that Bayern are interested. Seems to stem from “TBR Football”. No idea if theres any substance but a 10 second google will find them.

 

[Acrobat7]

There’s various articles stating that Bayern are interested. Seems to stem from “TBR Football”. No idea if theres any substance but a 10 second google will find them.

Ah, a TBR Football exclusive source. If you only know a tiny little bit about Bayern, it should instantly be clear that they will never sign a POS like Greenwood. And whoever comes up with those "exclusive rumors" is not a trustworthy source.

 

[Oranges038]

After the Boateng drama there is little chance Bayern would touch him

Forgot about that.

Even his own mother went against him.

 

[HTG]

Forgot about that.

Even his own mother went against him.

Rightfully so. He’s a monster.

 

[Powderfinger]

I don't understand why Marseille would be at all interested in selling. Does he have a release clause?

Even if its a huge number like 70m, they only get 35m and they won't be able to replace him for that money. So why sell? He can agitate for a move but it will be a terrible look for him to do that after one year with Marseille given all that has happened. And he has a contract until 2029 so he doesn't have any leverage at all.

 

[Remember the geese]

Even if its a huge number like 70m, they only get 35m and they won't be able to replace him for that money. So why sell?

There's a bit of confusion as to whether we are getting 50% of the sell on, or 50% of profit. I'd assume the latter, but people seem to be running with the former.

 

[SilentWitness]

I don't understand why Marseille would be at all interested in selling. Does he have a release clause?

Even if its a huge number like 70m, they only get 35m and they won't be able to replace him for that money. So why sell? He can agitate for a move but it will be a terrible look for him to do that after one year with Marseille given all that has happened. And he has a contract until 2029 so he doesn't have any leverage at all.

Isn't French football quite fecked financially due to the TV deal stuff?

 

[Powderfinger]

Isn't French football quite fecked financially due to the TV deal stuff?

In general yes, but Marseille is an exception because they are massive enough to have a solid matchday and commercial revenue base, they have a relatively good owner who isn't stripping the club for parts, and they'll likely be back in the CL next year. I'm sure they're still a selling team if a big enough offer comes in for a player under normal circumstances but Greenwood's contract and sell on clause is pretty abnormal.

 

[Powderfinger]

There's a bit of confusion as to whether we are getting 50% of the sell on, or 50% of profit. I'd assume the latter, but people seem to be running with the former.

50% of the profit would definitely increase the incentives for Marseille to consider a sale. For that 70m I mentioned hypothetically they'd get close to 50m from what I can see. But I think it still probably makes more sense for them to keep him for another year or two and see if he really explodes and they can ride his performances to a few straight CL appearances or even a league title challenge then sell to somebody for 90-100m.