Mason Greenwood, Marseille Footballer | Read the thread rules in the OP before posting

[duffer]

Not sure why you’d need audio of him driving under the influence and killing a friend?

If you don't think having audio of something horrific makes people's reaction different, OK but I disagree strongly.

I personally think if there was no audio and no pics of what Greenwood did, he'd still be a Man United player.

This has been discussed over and over here though, both with Greenwood and Alonso.

 

[groovyalbert]

He’s an absolute knob, but i still find it interesting how little focus there was on Marcos Alonso, who did something a «bit» worse and happily continued his career in England without much spotlight on him.

If he had been playing for Utd and social media was what it is today then there would have been. But also don't forget how unbelievably sinister and disturbing that audio recording of MG is, regardless of whatever the context may have been.

The implied intent there was horrible and I don't know how any employer could allow someone like that back into their place of work after hearing it, especially at a time when the club was aiming to build their reputation and place amongst the women's game.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

What Marcos Alonso did had worse consequences than what Greenwood is alleged to have done. But I don't think it's the same situation, morally.

Him and his friends went out partying and drinking, they all chose to get in that car, and the person who died was not wearing a seatbelt. Although he is primarily responsible, everyone involved had some degree of culpability, harsh as it sounds. He went through a legal process, in which he never denied wrongdoing, and instead of receiving a jail sentence, he had to pay fines, plus additional money he paid to the family ('voluntarily'). This is fairly common in Spain, there is a discussion here in which Spanish people don't entirely disagree with what happened.

After that you're basically left with a discussion on whether someone who admitted wrongdoing and was convicted should be rejected from society.

 

[Posh Red]

What Marcos Alonso did had worse consequences than what Greenwood is alleged to have done. But I don't think it's the same situation, morally.

Him and his friends went out partying and drinking, they all chose to get in that car, and the person who died was not wearing a seatbelt. Although he is primarily responsible, everyone involved had some degree of culpability, harsh as it sounds. He went through a legal process, in which he never denied wrongdoing, and instead of receiving a jail sentence, he had to pay fines, plus additional money he paid to the family ('voluntarily'). This is fairly common in Spain, there is a discussion here in which Spanish people don't entirely disagree with what happened.

After that you're basically left with a discussion on whether someone who admitted wrongdoing and was convicted should be rejected from society.

I find it bizarre that there’s even a need to try and compare the situations to start with, to be honest.

 

[sullydnl]

He’s an absolute knob, but i still find it interesting how little focus there was on Marcos Alonso, who did something a «bit» worse and happily continued his career in England without much spotlight on him.

Partly because while killing someone in a car accident might be worse in terms of impact, sexual assault tends to provoke a more visceral emotional response from people. Partly because people heard the audio of the Greenwood incident, which made it even more visceral. Partly because Greenwood was playing for a much bigger club, making it a much more high profile story.

But also partly because Alonso was convicted and punished. Most people would say he was given an overly lenient sentence (i.e. a fine and a driving ban) but at least there was something.

Whereas in Greenwood's case it never made it as far court, but the audio everyone heard was also never explained in any way. Which left the public with the suspicion that he got away with rape and/or assault.