Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions

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There's zero chance Man United would have denied him permission to leave to see his kid being born.

It's entirely possible that Martial left without even asking, especially if the relationship between him and Jose is strained and I can see why the club would be annoyed if that is true.
 
Players are so lame nowadays, like this one. Thinking he has great skill and last season once Mourinho gave him opportunity to start the games but he shows lack of pace. Gave him opportunity to start from the bench and he's still same. Lazy and sometimes just stay on his area when we are not in control and being counter attack.

This isn't type of Manchester United player, no self motivation.

Saying this doesn't mean I agree with Mourinho, his tactics last season sometimes was miserable.

So yes, sell him. Thank you and good bye Anthony.
 
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The backtracking from the media when he does return to the tour will be glorious.

And the excuses they will make for why they were wrong will be funny.

I do think he does wants to leave. But they might not be enough time for that.

Media says we Jose needs to sell him to buy a right winger. But United have only spent a measly 70 mil this window. It's almost like someone is making things up.
 
I don't think either of them deserves any more trust at this point and it's in both their interest to show something this season.
Pretty much. Jose cant really deal with and develop young talents while Martial is not showing enough to warrant all the hype he gets. Having abgreat game once in a while is just not enough. If hebwants to leave, sell him for a good price
 
Would bet anything he blames Mouimho, rightly or wrongly, for him missing out on being in Russia and winning the World Cup. Don't see how that would be overcome. Shame, expected big things from him here but it didn't progress as it should, for many reasons.
 
Martial had a better season than Rashfprd, Sanchez Mata. Why is it that 2 preseason games and the birth of his child changes that? I get it if people want more from him but that doesn't make im the worst player in our attack.

This is not me talking about potential and fulfilling it. I' simply talking about what he offered vs the people who are immune to attack in here
 
Selling players who aren't good enough, for players who are good enough? Still madness?
Since when has Martial not been good enough for us? He was certainly good enough in his first year and plenty of times last year.

Willian wasn't even a guaranteed starter in a team which finished outside the CL places.
 
Martial had a better season than Rashfprd, Sanchez Mata. Why is it that 2 preseason games and the birth of his child changes that? I get it if people want more from him but that doesn't make im the worst player in our attack.

This is not me talking about potential and fulfilling it. I' simply talking about what he offered vs the people who are immune to attack in here
Some people seem to want to rewrite history in their desperation to back the manager. I don't get it either.
 
The situation seems to be grim.

Obviously, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I wonder if Mourinho has done everything he can to gain Martial's trust and confidence, and reciprocated it. He may not be the next Kylian Mbappe, but he's a damn good left winger, he's young, and he's actually done decent the few times he's been played. He is our best dribbler from the flanks, he can finish, he can assist. I would hate for him to be tearing it up at another club, performing like he did in the LVG days. If there's a chance he can be a good player, we should take it.

That said, I'm afraid he's gonna leave and be the next KDB/Salah.
 
"I found out that Martial was going to Paris when he told me," Mourinho said. "Was two or three days ago.

"When it is personal reasons, everyone analyses that the way they think is the correct way and when a man is going to be a father in this case, it's the second time he is going to be a father, and he decides is very important for him to go, nobody has the right to stop him to go."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...er-news/anthony-martial-wife-man-utd-14953512

Nothing incident blown out of proportion.
 
Not at 22 dude . The guy had experienced more love affair than some people in their 50s. Having love affair does stress your daily life though.
Seriously? For all we know these two girls are the only girlfriends he's ever had. Pretty sure he was with the first one from when they were quite young, but ultimately it didn't work out. Is he supposed to be a loner for the next decade before he's allowed to get with another girl?
 
Feck me are posters going on about his love life like gossipy teens? Fcuk off to the Love Island thread with that shit...
 
It’s the birth of his first son. Across any culture that’s kind of a big deal.

The length to which the anti-Martial brigade jump onto any news to besmirch his character/vindicate their opinion is pathetic.

The level of activity from the same old names in any Martial thread is quite telling, it’s as if they are actually afraid that he’ll prove them wrong if/when he moves. Don’t see the same from Blind/Darmian threads.
 
Has more wife and kids than winner medals at the age of 22. Something not right with this guy brain and mentality. I don't think he will ever reach his potential no matter who the manager is

Something you read in youtube comments section.
 
Its quite common when defending Martial to downplay Lukaku. Probably because Martial is perceived as skill full and technical, while Lukaku has a shite first touch and is outperforming him which doesn't fit into the view of football a lot of fans have (where they massively overrate what players do on the ball).

Lukaku was not streaky, his overall game has been consistently improving as the season went on. The only thing streaky was his goal output, which was because of the shocking service he got when Pogba was out injured. He isn't Ronaldo or Messi, he is reliant on getting the ball in dangerous areas.

I compared him to every other attacker not just Lukaku to be fair. And although I didn't mean to include him in the 'utterly replacable' comment, the truth is that Lukaku did have a better season with Everton, Martial in the league campaign scored at almost exactly the same rate to Lukaku whilst creating more chances and when Lukaku wasn't scoring he wasn't really up to much alot of the time.
There weren't many reasons last season to persist with Lukaku that wouldn't go equally for Martial, apart from the fact that Lukaku didn't have any competition.
 
Of course he attends the birth of his kid, and going by past comments from Jose, I'm sure he supports the idea. I'd be surprised if he left without informing the club, so it seems to be another storm in the teacup.

If he's not willing to push harder, then we shall sell him. I personally guess he'll stay though
 
He kept Anderson for 8 years.

I don't know why you keep using Pogba as an example, Fergie fought tooth and nail to keep him and history has clearly shown that Pogba was well within his right to believe in himself.

You're using bizarre examples to show that Fergie was great at nurturing lazy players... Anderson, Veron and Berbatov... All of which were flops. Fergie was absolutely awful at nurturing lazy players, almost certainly because he felt that if you couldn't be motivated to put the effort in for the biggest club in the world then you were a somewhat lost cause. He'd give you every chance to grow out of that youthful laziness but fundamentally you'd be on the bench if you didn't put your body on the line physically every week.

I keep mentioning Pogba because he was a very talented player who never got an opportunity under Fergie because he wasn't committed enough to showcase his talent at the level he was playing. His complacence/laziness lead to him not performing for the reserves, which lead to him never getting an opportunity in the first team. Of course Fergie wanted to keep him, he was very talented and at 18 the manager would have hoped he'd grow up. Fergie would also hope to keep Martial for the same reason, however he wouldn't be trusting him in important games because of the fear that his laziness would let the team down. He'd almost certainly have opted for a less talented but more trusted player such as Park, Young, Valencia, Fletcher or even Welbeck.

Fergie and Mourinho are exceptionally alike in this sense. Work ethic was the key attribute in the spine of both managers teams and philosophies.
 
Wonder if his drive will die down like Rooney's did after a kid?

The guy will literally be lying on the floor.
 
It‘s quite interesting how many people criticize his attitude on the pitch. I can‘t remember that I‘ve seen Martial running down the pitch like Sanchez. He‘s just not that type of player and we knew that. He‘s playing not good this pre season no doubts but people are a bit too harsh with him since his agent came around the corner.
 
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You're using bizarre examples to show that Fergie was great at nurturing lazy players... Anderson, Veron and Berbatov... All of which were flops. Fergie was absolutely awful at nurturing lazy players, almost certainly because he felt that if you couldn't be motivated to put the effort in for the biggest club in the world then you were a somewhat lost cause. He'd give you every chance to grow out of that youthful laziness but fundamentally you'd be on the bench if you didn't put your body on the line physically every week.

I keep mentioning Pogba because he was a very talented player who never got an opportunity under Fergie because he wasn't committed enough to showcase his talent at the level he was playing. His complacence/laziness lead to him not performing for the reserves, which lead to him never getting an opportunity in the first team. Of course Fergie wanted to keep him, he was very talented and at 18 the manager would have hoped he'd grow up. Fergie would also hope to keep Martial for the same reason, however he wouldn't be trusting him in important games because of the fear that his laziness would let the team down. He'd almost certainly have opted for a less talented but more trusted player such as Park, Young, Valencia, Fletcher or even Welbeck.

Fergie and Mourinho are exceptionally alike in this sense. Work ethic was the key attribute in the spine of both managers teams and philosophies.

Utter rubbish.

Anderson was constantly picked for our biggest of games alongside Ji sung Park. Whilst Anderson didn't have the greatest of work rate; he was chosen due to his underrated ability to be a midfielder that helped transition the ball quickly from defence to attack; usually by taking one or two midfielderspon before making a simple pass. Someone like Ji sung Park would apply the work rate for the whole team.

If SAF trusted Anderson for the big games like the constant CL games or the games again arsenal etc - I see no reason why he would not pick Martial because never mind his weaknesses; he has strengths that are good too.

Also Veron, Berbartov, Anderson didn't suddenly change at United before suddenly becoming lazy - they were the exact same way at their previous clubs & if it was such a big deal to SAF like it is to Jose then he simply would not have gone in for them. Can you imagine Jose going in for Berbatpv?

Funniest thing though is Martial's work rate & attitude that wasn't a problem to any of us before Jose! The same manager who uses the same excuse to constantly make some really good players leave his squad.
 
I compared him to every other attacker not just Lukaku to be fair. And although I didn't mean to include him in the 'utterly replacable' comment, the truth is that Lukaku did have a better season with Everton, Martial in the league campaign scored at almost exactly the same rate to Lukaku whilst creating more chances and when Lukaku wasn't scoring he wasn't really up to much alot of the time.
There weren't many reasons last season to persist with Lukaku that wouldn't go equally for Martial, apart from the fact that Lukaku didn't have any competition.

This has already been addressed many times. Martial's goal return is massively inflated by his ridiculous scoring rate as a substitute especially at the beginning of the season. When he actually got a run in the team as a starter he scores considerably less than Lukaku.

Lukaku is the only one that matches other forwards in the league at scoring when starting games. He matches Firmino and Jesus.

Martial and Sanchez simply haven't contributed enough in the past season as they are well below the going rate for forwards. Lingard is around the same as them, but he has much more going for him due to his midfield qualities so scoring 10-15 goals a season is ok for him.

The team needs multiple forwards scoring 20+ goals a season, Lukaku is the only one doing that, and he is also facilitating other forwards very well. Give him better service and he'll get 35 goals a season.
 
Wonder if his drive will die down like Rooney's did after a kid?

The guy will literally be lying on the floor.

He already has a kid though, this will be his 2nd.

As much as I'd love Martial to work out at United, I'd say there's a 1% chance it'll happen for him here.

Just hope we get a good fee for him and sell him abroad.
 
He already has a kid though, this will be his 2nd.

As much as I'd love Martial to work out at United, I'd say there's a 1% chance it'll happen for him here.

Just hope we get a good fee for him and sell him abroad.

Could've sworn someone said first born.
Same, but don't believe he has the mentality. Could work out well elsewhere but he doesn't seem like someone that could have an affect everywhere he goes.
 
Meh, I've never really felt any affinity towards Martial. He's a miserable bastard, and has been largely shite for a year now.

Won't be disappointed at all if he leaves.
 
Meh, I've never really felt any affinity towards Martial. He's a miserable bastard, and has been largely shite for a year now.

Won't be disappointed at all if he leaves.

Meh, I've never really felt any affinity towards Jose. He's a miserable bastard, and has been largely shite for a year now.

Won't be disappointed at all if he leaves.

Think it still makes sense :D
 
Not really sure what any of that has to do with Martial. But okay, you do you.

Ultimately if we go judging personality by what we see on the outside - there is no reason why I can't judge José's personality is there? It' s not like he enjoys being here either etc etc.
 
With Lukaku, Rashford and Lingard not back in training until 4 days before kick-off we need him for the start of the season. We don't have any players other than him and Sanchez that can play that CF role remotely well enough. I hope he only takes 3-4 days off and he's back in training after that.

We can't really afford to sell him until we get a replacement in IMO. We're fairly short up front if we go on to play with 2 CFs and a #10 like we've done in our friendlies so far. We'd only have on Rashford as backup to Lukaku and Sanchez.
 
Utter rubbish.

Anderson was constantly picked for our biggest of games alongside Ji sung Park. Whilst Anderson didn't have the greatest of work rate; he was chosen due to his underrated ability to be a midfielder that helped transition the ball quickly from defence to attack; usually by taking one or two midfielderspon before making a simple pass. Someone like Ji sung Park would apply the work rate for the whole team.

If SAF trusted Anderson for the big games like the constant CL games or the games again arsenal etc - I see no reason why he would not pick Martial because never mind his weaknesses; he has strengths that are good too.

Also Veron, Berbartov, Anderson didn't suddenly change at United before suddenly becoming lazy - they were the exact same way at their previous clubs & if it was such a big deal to SAF like it is to Jose then he simply would not have gone in for them. Can you imagine Jose going in for Berbatpv?

Funniest thing though is Martial's work rate & attitude that wasn't a problem to any of us before Jose! The same manager who uses the same excuse to constantly make some really good players leave his squad.

Totally disagree so there's no point continuing the conversation.
 
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