At least 3 different papers running with it. Who knows what is up and down so far, but the smoke is definitely there.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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I mean Martial has multiple kids right? That sort of stuff wears off for most people. Even for the women, where you will find many women who are much more affected physically and emotionally by their first child-birth than their 3rd or 4th.
Unless this one is having twins, he'll have had 2 kids. Same as Sterling.
This will be his second. Not his third or fourth.
The Times doesn't say that he didn't have permission - just says it isn't clear. BBC says he did have permission and ESPN/MEN are crap sources. We'll find out in a few hours for sure but I'd trust BBC over ESPN/MEN any day of the week.
I thought he had twins already, but I was wrong. It's not really a big deal anyway, pre-season is not all that important and is mainly a fitness thing. The main benefit of pre-season is for the money people.
Ah, I read somewhere He had 2 kids. I thought this one's gonna be the third one.
Correct, am not implying The Times said he went without permission, am aware they say it is 'unclear'.
Fascinating how it's all shrouded in mystery!
How dare he have child when we need him to be getting fit for Man Utd.
The only reason he is still at United is because a team hasn't offered us the going rate for a talented youngster.
Don't think anyone can blame Martial for going home for the birth of his child, I'd be shocked if he wasn't given permission to do so.
The real problem is his performances have been dreadful for a long time and he doesn't want to play for Manchester Utd anymore. He barely raised a sweat in his 2 pre season starts. The sooner he leaves the better, we have a far superior player in Sanchez and hopefully we get in a few decent signings before the window closes.
The real problem is his performances have been dreadful for a long time and he doesn't want to play for Manchester Utd anymore. He barely raised a sweat in his 2 pre season starts. The sooner he leaves the better, we have a far superior player in Sanchez and hopefully we get in a few decent signings before the window closes.
I think papers got confused. Seen mention of Peyton and Toto but Toto is Martial's nickname. From Samantha's Instagram there is only the one daughter called Peyton (it is part of her Instagram handle). Melanie Da Cruz is giving birth to his first son.
Well there is a match in a few hours, and it isn't that mysterious if BBC are saying Mourinho gave permission. They only report stuff that they get confirmed officially. We'll see soon anyway.
Don’t believe there is any issue with Martial leaving to see his son born. That has to be a lie.
Can’t see anyone paying the 80mil outright. Maybe a swap deal of some sort. Hopefully not to any direct rivals. Don’t want him to leave but if so, abroad.
Can’t see anyone paying the 80mil outright. Maybe a swap deal of some sort. Hopefully not to any direct rivals. Don’t want him to leave but if so, abroad.
First thanks for asking @Dyslexic Untied - As much as I agree with @BluesJr & @JohnnyLaw about mere trust, game time to get some form and re-understand his strengths and weaknesses; there is more to his improvement that comes from his positioning as well as the type of football we play under Jose.
Martial is a Left Centre Forward made to play in a partnership as he did in Monaco. He has always been a striker and never has been a winger in his career except the final few months under LVG when we Rashford broke through as a striker & Depay was struggling at LW.
Apart from his career at Lyon & Monaco gearing him towards him being a striker the easiest way to show you why he is one is ultimately because he like all players have weaknesses at this age. I'l start off by telling you why Martial is not a winger.
1) Martial the winger - On the surface Martial looks like a winger all day, he has a great ability to dribble, likes the ball at his feet and takes his man directly before cutting in and shooting with a inside right foot. He himself likes the left flank dont he? It seems we have found our next Ronaldo! Unfortunately no. Martial is not a winger and has many weaknesses that arise from playing in this position; these are amplified even greater when we pursue to play a sole target man upfront. Let me explain:
- Martial has only been a winger for 2 years and is absolutely horrendous at crossing, he has a lack of precision, a lack of power arising from his inability to use his weaker foot to provide a cross to a target man like Lukaku.
- Martial becomes unilateral and consistently plays in one direction because his sole intention is to cut in and score/ cross with his stronger foot. This makes him tremendously easy to defend against as a winger as he is further away from goal , spending a long time attempting to go in one particular area.
- He is unable to take his man on the outside to the same capability he has on the inside. This makes him horrendously easy to defend against if you are a fullback because the way martial dribbles at you is pushing you backwards and usually towards a very readible direction.
- He struggles to read and run in to free space due to his positioning. As a winger there is consistently space in behind the defence, but Martial struggles with this because he has always been a striker that dropped back to play/receive the ball in front of the defence instead.
- Why does he drop back and play in front of the defence? He does this because he likes the ball at his feet. He purposely pushes the central defenders back by taking them on directly usually in positions other strikers would be looking to pass the ball laterally to a reciever.
- His dribbling method is different to the likes of Neymar or Hazard who are much much more skillful than martial and are therefore wide midfielders/wingers and are capable of taking on the fullback directly before further taking on up to another 3 players by enticing the players on towards him by pure skill alone. That's the difference between Martial and the players we call wingers or wide midfielders.
- Look at his dribbling method - it is abnormally close to his feet to the point that the ball is almost like his third foot and he is much more capable of making quick, sharp, intricate movements with the ball to bypass one or 2 defenders at the max than a player who is able to attract players towards him and simply fool defenders through pure control of the football (neymar).
- Look at his goals & assists (from ones against liverpool to the assist against Arsenal for Lingard for example) - in central positions he is able to make quick intricate movements that beat the CB's. CB's struggle much more with a striker like Martial because falling back whilst allowing him to take you on is adding defensive pressure on towards your team. Fundamentally, the fullbacks do not struggle with this because unlike CB's they are there to directly take on the pressure. They are there to directly tackle take on the winger so either he looses the ball, or is pushed in to a direction away danger/centre of goal. Martial the winger may beat the fullback but by that time the CB has covered his space. This is not the case when he attempts to beat the Central defenders.
2) Martial the Left Forward
- He is an underrated clinical finisher with the inside of his right foot - as simple as it sounds there is no reason why we should not be having him repeatedly do just that.
- He is close to the centre of the goal - usually this means when taking the defenders on he is one or 2 defenders at max before being directly one to one with the goal keeper. Remember he is not neymar who can take 3-5 defenders on with ease, one movement & then provide a cross or an assist.
- He is able to start more centrally which makes him harder to read & defend against as he is not in a position where he attempts to cut inside from wide anymore; he becomes a centre forward who has the ability to stay centrally, attempt to take his man on both to the left and right hand side of him & still have the chance to be through on goal ( this is not the case when he is a winger as one side makes him consistently further away from goal)
- Playing as a LF allows him to start inbetween the fullback and the RCB; enabling him to usually beat 2 defenders through one movement (check his goal against Liverpool) - Martial is able to nullify the role of the fullback by taking the centre back through an angle by playing inbetween them.
- Another reason is that Martial is actually quite good at short passing for a centre forward and is able to bring others to play; especially as a player that likes to drop deep to recieve the ball at his feet. He is able to play off a another striker and provide them closer service both to receive the ball and to pass the ball.
- Other reasons are he is close to the goal so he is much more able to get goals as a CF through heading etc which is less likely to happen as a left midfielder
If not for Left forward - Id also think with a bit more work around his passing; he could be a really good false 9 if ever needed. However; he has always been a LF through his career.
Finally - Martial sturggles as a lone CF. Again he is a forward who likes the ball to his feet and drops off the central defenders in an attempt to take them on afterwards. Though he scores a decent amount of goals - what this lead to under LVG was that Martial alone dropping deep felt like not having a player upfront that could makes things more dangerous & complicated. This happens under Jose too during the friendly's especially as he is playing alone. To make matters worse for both Martial & Rashford, they do not get the ball on the ground as much as they did under LVG and are made to play as a makeshift target man that recieves the ball with their back towards goal and attempt to bring players like sanchez, young, valencia in to the game to receive the ball again otherwise the whole team just becomes useless.
With regards to trust and confidence - Jose prefers target men upfront playing by themselves. Thats why he bought ibrahimovic and turned Martial from our number 9 to our number 11. Consiquently replaced Ibrahimovic with Lukaku to make sure it was just not a number thing. Now everyone is considering that Martial has a poor attitude and work rate/defensive ability; the same excuse that Jose used for Mata, De bryune, Salah, etc.
Ultimately the lack of trust and confidence in Martial by Jose is also seen in Rashford who has now lost any confidence to play as a striker after almost consecutive top performances. He was dropped for no reason, replaced by a ageing target man to win the europa league. Now Rashford cannot perform as a striker and is under pressure to do so- will continue to struggle unless he has 10 games in a row as a striker atleast. The same with Martial.
I consiquently ask the Jose fans - why dont we ever play
Martial - Lukaku
in partnership? they actually balance out each others weaknesses and could become a deadly partnership. I get no reply. Lukaku the target man is playing to 80% of his strengths. Martial and Lukaku playing off angles and finishing on their right and left foot respectively would be too much to handle for central defenders. Hell Martial could even be a good false 9 playing between Rashford & Lukaku. All three strikers are strikers that are better just off centrally playing off the flank than playing as wingers or target men.
Dissapointing management to say the least.
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No bud! you forgot! when Jose leaves after failing at United - his fans will be following his 4231 at his return to Chelsea round 3, Porto Round 2 or China. Maybe even International football!The forum wont be half empty it will be almost completely dead.
The forum wont be half empty it will be almost completely dead.
Mourinho has done everything in management to get the trust of fans. Martial has done feck all in football and it is literally blind faith that he will come good.
It's like comparing a veteran surgeon that has revolutionised the industry with some guy fresh off of grad school that got good grades.
Trust in Mourinho is rational, trust in Martial is not. That is why you will find virtually no one that says that Mourinho should stay no matter what happens (for example if we dont finish top 4 99% will want him sacked), while you'll find plenty that want Martial to play no matter what happens because he'll come good eventually. One is based on evidence while the other is not.
I don't think either of them deserves any more trust at this point and it's in both their interest to show something this season.
What Jose has done for other clubs at his prime does not matter to a lot of us.
Now Jose is merely a famous name under the shadow of many new and old managers. Tactically he is outshone in a league he is the most experienced, players wise he is scrambling over his ex players like Matic, Willian, Ibrahimovic & Lukaku because new players dont share his attitude
Poor him - maybe change your attitude Jose? The game is getting to fast for you Jose!Some fans are really fooled. Jose can do what he wants at a club like Porto living under Benfica's shadow, Chelsea living under United's shadow, Inter's living under Juve/Milan's Shadows, Madrid living under the great Barca's Shadow- he is great for clubs who are the underdog's who need to shine once in a whilst but for clubs who are historically the big boys; the guy is simply just a one off trophy winner in a list of many.
He has no idea about the history and pride such clubs hold; scrambling over the line to win the league title whilst playing something representing more cricket than football is ultimately not a big achievement. He attempts to embrace the heart beat of this club so he promoted mctomminay
! Some are fooled thats for sure.The guys has had 2 years and we are simply not playing a style of football! Every game is different to the next yet everygame is so so bad! Why is that? Is it the players fault after 2 years? I get that City spent more than us and that is why they won the title but surely you can make us watch entertaining football Jose! Oh no - its the players work rate. Yeh thats what we lack; work rate
- the thing that will unlock all these defences !! The same thing that was used against some of the best players in the world under his management - lack of work rate and defensive capability.2 years in- we should be playing good football. I hope you continue to enjoy this trash because this is grilling to watch and legends like scholes believe that whilst you keep hoping your Jose dream pre 2016 happens one day. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
People ultimately choose martial over Jose (what godly people) because one represents entertainment, a representation similiar to what some United fans believe what football should be about.
If your not in that bracket then so be it - ultimately you can hope for your willian's and rebic's instead because that is what is supposedly neccesary for us to become the best team & ultimately what you believe football should be about.
Has more wife and kids than winner medals at the age of 22. Something not right with this guy brain and mentality. I don't think he will ever reach his potential no matter who the manager is
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Are we beleiving this Martial story? It kind of outs Joses comments about his daughters graduation into perspective. Anyway, if its true Jose is a massive cnut, but we already knew that.
People support Martial because they feel he can be a top player for us. They are United supporters first. So a finger to all who think they'll follow Martial to the next club.
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The guy wants to leave the club for plenty of valid reasons, suddenly something isn't right mentally with him? Get a fecking grip
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I doubt there's any truth in that about Mourinho being upset with him leaving for the birth of his child. If he is upset, well then further support to Mourinho being a massive cnut and someone not fit to manage Manchester United.
Where's the white text?
What does his personal life have to do with it?
John Terry and Ryan Giggs were great footballers despite all what happened in their personal lives.
Why do you need to win medals to be allowed to have kids?
What a sorry mess United have become, Martial wants out along with Pogba. These are the type of player I watch United to see and get excited watching them develop, Mourinho has no patience and that is depressing. Yes Martial has been inconsistent but I really hope he gets a move to a team like Tottenham and under a more sympathetic manager and then we will see his talent shine. Meanwhile we will watch Valencia and Young on the wings lumping the ball up to Fellaini and continue to play our negative stagnant football. Happy days.
What Jose has done for other clubs at his prime does not matter to a lot of us.
Now Jose is merely a famous name under the shadow of many new and old managers. Tactically he is outshone in a league he is the most experienced, players wise he is scrambling over his ex players like Matic, Willian, Ibrahimovic & Lukaku because new players dont share his attitude
Some fans are really fooled. Jose can do what he wants at a club like Porto living under Benfica's shadow, Chelsea living under United's shadow, Inter's living under Juve/Milan's Shadows, Madrid living under the great Barca's Shadow- he is great for clubs who are the underdog's who need to shine once in a whilst but for clubs who are historically the big boys; the guy is simply just a one off trophy winner in a list of many.
He has no idea about the history and pride such clubs hold; scrambling over the line to win the league title whilst playing something representing more cricket than football is ultimately not a big achievement. He attempts to embrace the heart beat of this club so he promoted mctomminay
The guys has had 2 years and we are simply not playing a style of football! Every game is different to the next yet everygame is so so bad! Why is that? Is it the players fault after 2 years? I get that City spent more than us and that is why they won the title but surely you can make us watch entertaining football Jose! Oh no - its the players work rate. Yeh thats what we lack; work rate
2 years in- we should be playing good football. I hope you continue to enjoy this trash because this is grilling to watch and legends like scholes believe that whilst you keep hoping your Jose dream pre 2016 happens one day. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
People ultimately choose martial over Jose (what godly people) because one represents entertainment, a representation similiar to what some United fans believe what football should be about.
If your not in that bracket then so be it - ultimately you can hope for your willian's and rebic's instead because that is what is supposedly neccesary for us to become the best team & ultimately what you believe football should be about.
I got it.. you are on a mission and you are trying really hard for it. Are you Pep in disguise or what? Your hatred for Jose, someone who you never know personally and probably never will, is hilarious.
I don't have much time to reply to your false and biased allegations and I don't want to. But I will say this much. Jose's teams played very attractive football at Chelsea 1st stint (most of the games), at Real Madrid and at Chelsea 2nd stint 1st season until their weaknesses (especially Ivanovic) was found out by spurs in December. And that is Jose; when he is confident of his team, he will let them play more expansive fiotball. But when he see weaknesses in his team, he will play accordingly to cover up those weaknesses. And yes, I agree that Jose is a bit more cautious, may be he can take a bit more risk. But I am happy that he is not like Klopp who plays his brand of football by ignoring the obvious weaknesses in his team.
So, it's not like Jose's teams only plays boring defensive football. But the point is that Jose is a pragmatic manager and he will only play good football when he has the team he wants, when he is fully confident of his teams; especially when he is confident on his defenders and this is very important for him. And the current United team is still far from an ideal Jose team.
Now you will say that he had 2 years to get a team he wants. Yes that's true. But any sensible fan will agree that when Jose took charge United team was far from being good enough to compete for the title and he is not supposed to ship (and also not possible) to ship all the unwanted players out and get all the kind of players he wants. Also, it seems like the board has put some kind of spending limit after spending blindly for 3-4 seasons.
So, I will still back Jose as long as he is making progress and building a strong team for United. I expect him to have a team of his wish by this time next year hopefully and in that case, I am sure that the team will approach games in a different way.
And i will mostly ignore his constant moaning and fights in the media as i know that he is doing it to force the board to act and deliver him what he wants. But I am sure that Jose is a different person when he is dealing with his players in person and in training. Yes, he will speak the truth if a player is not performing well, but I haven't seen a single GOOD player criticizing Jose (unlike in case of Lord Pep) for behaving badly against them.
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The guy wants to leave the club for plenty of valid reasons, suddenly something isn't right mentally with him? Get a fecking grip
In my country / continent , someone like him would be deemed as problematic from social point of view, how could he keep getting new wife and kids at that young age ?. I know people in the west are free but don't you think too much love affair could possibly disturb your focus to your job ?
What country you from mate?
Please send him to Arsenal, thank you.
It sounds like you are from the 1920's, not even just a different country. Guy had a wife and a child with her. They split up for whatever reason. It happens, 50% of marriages end in divorce. Got a new girlfriend for a couple of years almost, having a child with her. Who's to say he's doing it right or wrong? Having a child with his girlfriend/wife, nothing wrong with that.We only send to you the likes of Welbeck, mkshitaryan and mickey. If you behave you might end up signing Rojo or Darmian.
1) How is United becoming a sorry mess?? The season has/t even started yet?
2) Did I miss any Pogba quotes that he wants to leave the club? Or do you just lap up any tweet from bullshit journos?
3) Mourinho somehow gets bashed on for trusting young Rashford and McTominay, but yeah go on, Jose is such an impatient man.
4) Martial is only one player and we have let go of much more talented players in the past and we did just fine. Get over it.
5) Just because United is not playing the way Sp00ks11 wants us to play, doesn't mean the club is in decline.
Posts like these make me really wonder how did you even manage to get full access to the forum.
Not at 22 dude . The guy had experienced more love affair than some people in their 50s. Having love affair does stress your daily life though.
It's not about the Money, tell me a person who can be fully unaffected when working with all the drama they had in personal relationship.
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Keep? He was in a long term relationship with Samantha from when they were young, they had a child and split up (don't think them being married was clear). This seems to be his second serious relationship. Problematic issues would be if he was going around with a string of one night stands knocking women up and ignoring/being unable to raise the resulting child.
They're in love, want to have a child and even more importantly can afford to raise that child at their age (he's a millionaire). I see no issues with that.
This is a classic example why getting a manager who Understands u is so important early in ur career...I am sure if it’s was SAF things would have been different...
Ronaldo should be thankful for life to get an awesome manager at his age who guided him not only for technical play but also mental toughness...
I am not saying Mou is wrong with his approach but unfortunately it’s not working with Martial..
I will sell or swap him in a heartbeat if we can get someone who will improve our staring 11...he didn’t do much for me last year so his absence won’t have any impact at all..
Ronaldo should be thankful for life to get an awesome manager at his age who guided him not only for technical play but also mental toughness...
I am not saying Mou is wrong with his approach but unfortunately it’s not working with Martial..
I will sell or swap him in a heartbeat if we can get someone who will improve our staring 11...he didn’t do much for me last year so his absence won’t have any impact at all..
Mkhi is a good and versatile player, I like him. Welbeck seems like a top bloke and I don't mind him either, though we can certainly do better.
However I will never forgive anyone involved in the Sylvestre trade
I think you owe us and would be very courteous to take Jenkinson (you are in the market for a RB after all) and El'Neny (and a CM) off our hands though... Please
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