Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions

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roonster09 said:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...er-news/anthony-martial-wife-man-utd-14953512

Nothing incident blown out of proportion.
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Amazing how many people ate up the fake news claims that Martial left the tour without saying a word leaving Jose out for blood. Says a lot about how a) the English press hates Mourinho and b) they know there's enough people out there hoping for more reasons to hate Mourinho that they can print anything about him as long as its negative.

Sad times.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
:D No bud! you forgot! when Jose leaves after failing at United - his fans will be following his 4231 at his return to Chelsea round 3, Porto Round 2 or China. Maybe even International football!

The forum wont be half empty it will be almost completely dead.:lol:
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You're posting some absolute crap, sorry.
 
#07 said:
Amazing how many people ate up the fake news claims that Martial left the tour without saying a word leaving Jose out for blood. Says a lot about how a) the English press hates Mourinho and b) they know there's enough people out there hoping for more reasons to hate Mourinho that they can print anything about him as long as its negative.

Sad times.
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BBC even reported that Martial left with ManUtd's permission but that doesn't fit the agenda.
 
roonster09 said:
BBC even reported that Martial left with ManUtd's permission but that doesn't fit the agenda.
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Yeah, I saw that via Bill Rice.

As you say, didn't stop the keyboard warriors opening up a new front in their 'Jose out' campaign last night though. All very quiet today...

Whatever you think about Tony Martial and Jose Mourinho, its sad to see Man Utd fans joining in with Scousers and City supporters to spread hatred of our club's manager.
 
Damien said:


We'll know either way in 6 hours or so time during the post-match press conference.
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Isn't this guy with the beeb?
I find d it difficult to believe we wouldn't give him permission to leave for his child's birth juxt because of a preseason game .
 
Adisa said:
Isn't this guy with the beeb?
I find d it difficult to believe we wouldn't give him permission to leave for his child's birth juxt because of a preseason game .
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Scratch that. Didn't see the updates that Mourinho had rubbished it .
 
What is it with all the drama around Martial from fans? Everything good he does is massively overblown by a section, while another section treat him like the spawn of the devil.
 
breakout67 said:
This has already been addressed many times. Martial's goal return is massively inflated by his ridiculous scoring rate as a substitute especially at the beginning of the season. When he actually got a run in the team as a starter he scores considerably less than Lukaku.

Lukaku is the only one that matches other forwards in the league at scoring when starting games. He matches Firmino and Jesus.

Martial and Sanchez simply haven't contributed enough in the past season as they are well below the going rate for forwards. Lingard is around the same as them, but he has much more going for him due to his midfield qualities so scoring 10-15 goals a season is ok for him.

The team needs multiple forwards scoring 20+ goals a season, Lukaku is the only one doing that, and he is also facilitating other forwards very well. Give him better service and he'll get 35 goals a season.
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Well Lukaku scored almost half of his goals in the same period the two first months of the season, so if Martials numbers are inflated then so are Roms. Lukaku who after that barely scored a single goal for a two month period and remained an undisouted starter, something Martial couldn't get away with.

What does the bolded part even mean? Amongst the top 10 scorers in the league last year where Lukaku ended up 6th behind Salah, Kane, Vardy, Agüero and Sterling only Mahrez and Firmino scored less goals per minutes played.
Anyway I'm not here to bash Rom, but to hail one and hang the other in Martial doesn't make sense.

The team needs players who can score 20+ goals, then why are we alienating the only attacker aside from Lukaku who's shown he can do it and has even been on course of achieving that?
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Well Lukaku scored almost half of his goals in the same period the two first months of the season, so if Martials numbers are inflated then so are Roms. Lukaku who after that barely scored a single goal for a two month period and remained an undisouted starter, something Martial couldn't get away with.

What does the bolded part even mean? Amongst the top 10 scorers in the league last year where Lukaku ended up 6th behind Salah, Kane, Vardy, Agüero and Sterling only Mahrez and Firmino scored less goals per minutes played.
Anyway I'm not here to bash Rom, but to hail one and hang the other in Martial doesn't make sense.

The team needs players who can score 20+ goals, then why are we alienating the only attacker aside from Lukaku who's shown he can do it and has even been on course of achieving that?
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1) Lukaku was scoring as a STARTER, which is the whole point. It's a completely different kettle of fish coming on as a sub for a specific role suited to your skill set, than to play regardless of opposition and have to adapt to the situation. Martial scores at Ronaldo and Messi levels off the bench, and drops to Lingard levels as a starter.

2) Martial was never 'alienated'. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you ignore his performances and focus on that 3 game period where he got goals and assists just before Sanchez was signed. Even then, he wasn't dropped but would rotate wings with Sanchez. Then he got injured and didn't get back into the team after that.

3) The bolded is quite obvious. Lukaku is a 1 in 2 goalscorer while Martial is a 1 in 3 goalscorer and possibly worse. Then you consider the profile of player, Martial is basically a passenger outside the final third meaning that he has to score 1 in 2 at least.

Martial has NEVER scored over 20 goals in a season. And to ignore Sanchez who scored 30 goals in his last season at Arsenal and 20+ goals multiple times lets me know where your priorities are (a stretching of the truth due to playing favourites with Martial).
 
A young guy with a great future ahead of him if only he would work at it. Don't know what it is with him and Mourinho but I don't think he will ever flourish here with Mourinho in charge.
 
I think he should get his head down, work hard and try to have a good season so that he can leave for a good club at the end of the year.

I accept that Mourinho is not the manager for him, but he shouldn't wreck his career by downing tools this season.
 
I don't want to make excuses for Martial... but anyone who thinks he's going to have a better season for missing the birth of his child, is kidding themselves. I hope Mourinho gave him his blessing.
 
breakout67 said:
1) Lukaku was scoring as a STARTER, which is the whole point. It's a completely different kettle of fish coming on as a sub for a specific role suited to your skill set, than to play regardless of opposition and have to adapt to the situation. Martial scores at Ronaldo and Messi levels off the bench, and drops to Lingard levels as a starter.

2) Martial was never 'alienated'. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you ignore his performances and focus on that 3 game period where he got goals and assists just before Sanchez was signed. Even then, he wasn't dropped but would rotate wings with Sanchez. Then he got injured and didn't get back into the team after that.

3) The bolded is quite obvious. Lukaku is a 1 in 2 goalscorer while Martial is a 1 in 3 goalscorer and possibly worse. Then you consider the profile of player, Martial is basically a passenger outside the final third meaning that he has to score 1 in 2 at least.

Martial has NEVER scored over 20 goals in a season. And to ignore Sanchez who scored 30 goals in his last season at Arsenal and 20+ goals multiple times lets me know where your priorities are (a stretching of the truth due to playing favourites with Martial).
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Lukaku is the target man is ultimately at the core of our tactics. He has the whole team attempting to provide him service. Whether the service should be better or not; to say he did not have service is wrong & he as arguably the most important player to José's tactics to play a 4231 with a target man.
As a striker made to play that Rashford nor Martial are going to come close. That's why Jose himself instantly said that Martial & Rashford are not his type of strikers & then turned them in to wingers. Ie the type of player that provides service to our one and only target man.
Considering martial is there to provide service he has done decent but is understandable why Jose prefers Sanchez. It has nothing to do with work rate & everything to do with Jose preferring a proper winger providing service to a striker playing as a target man.

Tactically Martial is up against it. When he starts he plays as a left winger or as shown in the friendlies made to play alone as a target man similar to Rashford'occasional games upfront.

Martial will continue to struggle as a starter if his role is to play so far away from goal & to be a player that plays to supply a target man. He is much between as a substitute because usually at that moment attacking substitutes come on - we have struggled to break the defence or we are a goal behind & our team becomes much more free. At that point martial is not there to be a player that goes out of his way to be a crosser/winger /supplier of the ball to get the best out of Lukaku & Fellaini - he is there at that time to provide a difference to that exact tactic that has not worked thus far.

There is absolutely no reason why he should not start upfront alongside Lukaku - then there is no reason why both strikers statistics should not improve as each others weaknesses and strengths benefit each other; from first touches, to dribbling to heading etc
 
Lukaku doesn't play like a target man, we do not play with a target man and José did not "turn" Martial and Rashford into wingers.
 
Nick7 said:
Lukaku doesn't play like a target man, we do not play with a target man and José did not "turn" Martial and Rashford into wingers.
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“But a striker is not just numbers. It is the way he plays, the solutions he gives, the way he makes others play. I think he’s a good player to play with.

“People like Marcus, Martial, Mkhitaryan to have that target man to play with is very good.”

- Jose Mourinho

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....man-utd-fixtures-mourinho-lukaku-13498504.amp

Also Lukaku directly bought up not wanting to be a target man ideally before joining united & he is used much more to control the ball whilst bringing others in to play than a striker who spends his time predominantly running in behind the defence. (playing him this way with a partner who comes deep lilke Martial has the ability to be deadly for us)

The wingers thing - Martial's shirt number alone is proof it happened never mind martial & Rashford competing for the same LW spot before being replaced by Sanchez - a life long winger.

Unfortunately what you have said is wrong through both the speech & actions of Jose.
 
maniwin said:
In my country / continent , someone like him would be deemed as problematic from social point of view, how could he keep getting new wife and kids at that young age ?. I know people in the west are free but don't you think too much love affair could possibly disturb your focus to your job ?
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Yeah but were you happy when we sold Jaap Stam?
 
manutddjw said:
Yeah but were you happy when we sold Jaap Stam?
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Why did you put Martial and Stam together in first place ? Stam has won us couple of Premier League and UCL, Martial won us feck all. Stam was on his peak while current Martial is nothing more than a potential , only 1 out of 10 potential player can actually made it through in this football world., if you guys actually watched our game against AC Milan yesterday you would have realize that we play better without him.
 
maniwin said:
Why did you put Martial and Stam together in first place ? Stam has won us couple of Premier League and UCL, Martial won us feck all. Stam was on his peak while current Martial is nothing more than a potential , only 1 out of 10 potential player can actually made it through in this football world., if you guys actually watched our game against AC Milan yesterday you would have realize that we play better without him.
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Your too much love affair affecting performances made me laugh the same way another poster questioning whether we were happy we sold Jaap Stam did. Figured it was better than the smilies.
 
Just FYI

Anthony Martial names newborn son 'Swan'

Da Cruz is believed to have given birth on Thursday night and, taking to social media subsequently, she revealed that the boy has been named 'Swan Anthony Martial'.

Swan becomes Martial's second child after he welcomed a daughter with then-wife Samantha Jacquelinet in 2016.
 
Member 5225 said:
Just FYI

Anthony Martial names newborn son 'Swan'

Da Cruz is believed to have given birth on Thursday night and, taking to social media subsequently, she revealed that the boy has been named 'Swan Anthony Martial'.

Swan becomes Martial's second child after he welcomed a daughter with then-wife Samantha Jacquelinet in 2016.
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Always knew Martial had poor decision making.
 
Member 5225 said:
Just FYI

Anthony Martial names newborn son 'Swan'

Da Cruz is believed to have given birth on Thursday night and, taking to social media subsequently, she revealed that the boy has been named 'Swan Anthony Martial'.

Swan becomes Martial's second child after he welcomed a daughter with then-wife Samantha Jacquelinet in 2016.
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Even for his son name he cant be bother a single bit that lazy fecker. :D
 
Makes sense, as he's about to have his Utd swansong :(
 
James Peril said:
No, we’re not ending up as winners with this one and it doesn’t make sense. We know what we get in Willian for three years, so does Chelsea - a good but definitely not great footballer. We have no idea how good Martial will become and he is much, much younger. We know he is struggling, but we’ve seen ridiculous moments at an early age. 20M is nothing
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I completely agree. I"m just thinking in a way that Mourinho is thinking. I would rather we found a young player or developed what we already have. Problem is Mourinho doesn't care about the future. He wants to win now and then leave. My only point about the trade is that Martial is going to leave anyways, or he is going to sit on the bench if he stays. I'd rather have a player in our first team then waste one. In a perfect world we get rid of Mourinho before Martial and get a manager who can see the big picture for now and the future. Someone who puts their trust in Martial and sees just how good he can be. But these are just dreams and aren't going to come true...
 
Cliche Guevara said:
The last thing Martial needs to do now is move house!
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Depends - if his o/h lives or stays in Paris, isn't there the Eurostar direct from London? Never done that, but was under the impression Paris > London > Paris was a straightforward journey.
 
cjj said:
Depends - if his o/h lives or stays in Paris, isn't there the Eurostar direct from London? Never done that, but was under the impression Paris > London > Paris was a straightforward journey.
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Would probably be hassle for a Manchester United player.
 
Sunny Jim said:
Where are you from lad?
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Asian region , Having kids without marrying is taboo here let alone doing it before 22 , multiple times. You might be exiled from your own family and will be shamed for your whole life. I am not kidding
 
maniwin said:
Asian region , Having kids without marrying is taboo here let alone doing it before 22 , multiple times. You might be exiled from your own family and will be shamed for your whole life. I am not kidding
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Yep. My GF is from Thailand. These things are serious out there. Just my view but I do have to agree. Splitting up with his partner cannot have helped his performances on the pitch. People forget this is a young guy (22 is he?) still a young guy.

It would be a great load for anybody to deal with, and we don't know his mentality.

Now don't get me wrong, he is being paid enough etc to perform, but this season (along with Shaw) is massive for him. If he is good enough and produces he will play.
 
Massive fan of Martial.

Yes, he hasn't been consistent in the last year or two but he's never really been given the opportunity to go on a long run of games, which at his age must be difficult. The arrival of Sanchez hasn't helped either. I personally was happy with Rashford and Martial on the left, but Jose cant resist a big name signing :rolleyes:

If he does leave, which is very likely now, I really hope its on good terms and we manage to put a buy back clause into the deal. If the right club give him the opportunity to shine he could be one of the best left sided attackers in the world.
 
Martial does seems like a quiet bloke isn't he? Seems like he never talked about how proud he is to be at United.

I think he never understood United or appreciate being here. The first ever interview on his deadline day speaks for itself, he doesn't even realize the magnitude of this club. Ander, Fred, Blind, even Alexis spoke about how proud it is to be a United player. Worrying thing about Martial is he didn't connect to the fans as well as others.

If he is going to leave, I don't think I'm that much bothered to be honest. I want a proper player who appreciates being at United.
 
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