Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions

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Martial does seems like a quiet bloke isn't he? Seems like he never talked about how proud he is to be at United.

I think he never understood United or appreciate being here. The first ever interview on his deadline day speaks for itself, he doesn't even realize the magnitude of this club. Ander, Fred, Blind, even Alexis spoke about how proud it is to be a United player. Worrying thing about Martial is he didn't connect to the fans as well as others.

If he is going to leave, I don't think I'm that much bothered to be honest. I want a proper player who appreciates being at United.

That's literally the first words United fans heard from him during his first interview.
 
Who knows but the bottom line for me as a fan, you want player who understands what it means to be a Utd player and the privileged position they are in to be able to pull on the shirt. Doesn't matter what big club you are at, there will always be competition whether that's why you were bought to provide it or a star player becomes available and they are bought irrespective to whether we 'needed' a left sided player. Shit happens at big clubs for football and commercial reasons, it's how you respond to it is the issue.
Whether he goes on to be a world beater, I'm not bothered. It's like finishing with a girl that goes on to be a supermodel, if you didn't love her, it changes nothing......
 
1) Lukaku was scoring as a STARTER, which is the whole point. It's a completely different kettle of fish coming on as a sub for a specific role suited to your skill set, than to play regardless of opposition and have to adapt to the situation. Martial scores at Ronaldo and Messi levels off the bench, and drops to Lingard levels as a starter.

2) Martial was never 'alienated'. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you ignore his performances and focus on that 3 game period where he got goals and assists just before Sanchez was signed. Even then, he wasn't dropped but would rotate wings with Sanchez. Then he got injured and didn't get back into the team after that.

3) The bolded is quite obvious. Lukaku is a 1 in 2 goalscorer while Martial is a 1 in 3 goalscorer and possibly worse. Then you consider the profile of player, Martial is basically a passenger outside the final third meaning that he has to score 1 in 2 at least.

Martial has NEVER scored over 20 goals in a season. And to ignore Sanchez who scored 30 goals in his last season at Arsenal and 20+ goals multiple times lets me know where your priorities are (a stretching of the truth due to playing favourites with Martial).

We're supposed to be the better team 90% of the games we play and as a regular starter and attacking focal point for the second best team in the league Lukaku, with his ability, hasn't performed as well as one could hope. We knew his general play had some issues but also that he scores enough goals to make up for it. However this year he's been one of the least efficient strikers among the top goalscorers in the league, which I won't nearly fault him entirely for, our attacking play hasn't been at all good enough.

Martial scored 18 goals for us in his very first season at 19 years and his efficiency has only gone up since, whilst at the same time his game time under Mourinho has moved in the opposite direction. It's not that wild to believe that with the same faith that Rom has had we'd had another 20 goal a season player in the team. As for alienation, he played less minutes for us last season than for example Asensio did for Real Madrid, a player who had the likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Isco to compete with, with only Rashford as competition. As soon as Sanchez stepped into the ground Martial was the one who had to move over, Sanchez who was coming off a pretty bad season by his own standards was still immediately preferred and given every chance to come into form. Not that surprisingly as Martial obviously wasn't a favorite of Mou's to begin with. The smart thing from the club from my point of view would've been to have the patience to find an experienced top quality attacker for the right wing to complement our young players who are only just coming into themselves. I wonder sometimes if we're more concerned with the now, and halting City rather than progressing ourselves.

Lukaku is also a pure CF and a fantastic goalscorer reaching his prime, while Martial is being deployed as a winger in a very rigid system. If Martial can manage to keep a similar pace to Lukaku that's a decent achievement on his part. 1 in 3 for a winger isn't bad, only the very best wide forwards in the world will give you better than that, probably only Mbppe in the u23 category. Alexis hasn't even managed to provide that for us, only scoring once every 6 starts or so. Martials not consistant enough but he's 22, at the same age Sanchez was having his breakthrough season at Udinese. The first time Alexis breached 20 goals/season was in 13/14 at 25 years of age.

I'm not going to lose my mind if Martials off as Alexis with Rashford backing up is a really good situation for the LW. I just think it's chaotic planning once again from the club and we're sending off our best talents whilst fumbling over ourselves.
 
We're supposed to be the better team 90% of the games we play and as a regular starter and attacking focal point for the second best team in the league Lukaku, with his ability, hasn't performed as well as one could hope. We knew his general play had some issues but also that he scores enough goals to make up for it. However this year he's been one of the least efficient strikers among the top goalscorers in the league, which I won't nearly fault him entirely for, our attacking play hasn't been at all good enough.

Martial scored 18 goals for us in his very first season at 19 years and his efficiency has only gone up since, whilst at the same time his game time under Mourinho has moved in the opposite direction. It's not that wild to believe that with the same faith that Rom has had we'd had another 20 goal a season player in the team. As for alienation, he played less minutes for us last season than for example Asensio did for Real Madrid, a player who had the likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Isco to compete with, with only Rashford as competition. As soon as Sanchez stepped into the ground Martial was the one who had to move over, Sanchez who was coming off a pretty bad season by his own standards was still immediately preferred and given every chance to come into form. Not that surprisingly as Martial obviously wasn't a favorite of Mou's to begin with. The smart thing from the club from my point of view would've been to have the patience to find an experienced top quality attacker for the right wing to complement our young players who are only just coming into themselves. I wonder sometimes if we're more concerned with the now, and halting City rather than progressing ourselves.

Lukaku is also a pure CF and a fantastic goalscorer reaching his prime, while Martial is being deployed as a winger in a very rigid system. If Martial can manage to keep a similar pace to Lukaku that's a decent achievement on his part. 1 in 3 for a winger isn't bad, only the very best wide forwards in the world will give you better than that, probably only Mbppe in the u23 category. Alexis hasn't even managed to provide that for us, only scoring once every 6 starts or so. Martials not consistant enough but he's 22, at the same age Sanchez was having his breakthrough season at Udinese. The first time Alexis breached 20 goals/season was in 13/14 at 25 years of age.

I'm not going to lose my mind if Martials off as Alexis with Rashford backing up is a really good situation for the LW. I just think it's chaotic planning once again from the club and we're sending off our best talents whilst fumbling over ourselves.
Yeah good post mate. As you say, if we can get a buy-back he should go because he's not going to do anything under the current manager.
 
Martial does seems like a quiet bloke isn't he? Seems like he never talked about how proud he is to be at United.

I think he never understood United or appreciate being here. The first ever interview on his deadline day speaks for itself, he doesn't even realize the magnitude of this club. Ander, Fred, Blind, even Alexis spoke about how proud it is to be a United player. Worrying thing about Martial is he didn't connect to the fans as well as others.

If he is going to leave, I don't think I'm that much bothered to be honest. I want a proper player who appreciates being at United.


Like @JPRouve said, they're literally his first words.

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Like @JPRouve said, they're literally his first words.

:lol: Nice one.

I reckon he's gonna have to stay this year, it's too late to both find a replacement for him and find a buyer for him in a price that reflects his talent. Let's see how this goes.[/QUOTE]
 
Just FYI

Anthony Martial names newborn son 'Swan'

Da Cruz is believed to have given birth on Thursday night and, taking to social media subsequently, she revealed that the boy has been named 'Swan Anthony Martial'.

Swan becomes Martial's second child after he welcomed a daughter with then-wife Samantha Jacquelinet in 2016.
Get the cryptologists out. I am sure there is a way this is a veiled dig at Mourinho
 
Asian region , Having kids without marrying is taboo here let alone doing it before 22 , multiple times. You might be exiled from your own family and will be shamed for your whole life. I am not kidding

You are using your own culture to jugde other with different culture to you. Stupid indeed.
 
You are using your own culture to jugde other with different culture to you. Stupid indeed.
And not even a representative culture at that. Shotgun weddings are fairly common in East Asia for example but while it's frowned upon, by no means having kids outside of wedlock at 22 would result in you being exiled and shamed your whole life, not for a man. :lol:
 
Swan? Really? Picking up where Rooney left off in the stupid name stakes. Greeb tit and booby say hello.
 
You are using your own culture to jugde other with different culture to you. Stupid indeed.
I don't think having few ex wife & kidz would be good for your career , too many personal issue. As for example , right now he skipped this year important pre-season because he can't help to impregnant a woman 9 months ago , guy looked slow and unfit for our first 2 games, He won't be ready when the season starts.
And not even a representative culture at that. Shotgun weddings are fairly common in East Asia for example but while it's frowned upon, by no means having kids outside of wedlock at 22 would result in you being exiled and shamed your whole life, not for a man. :lol:

East Asia isn't as conservative as us here , you can't just impregnant woman left & right like an animal and expect to not be judged badly by society.
 
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East Asia isn't as conservative as us here , you can't just impregnant woman left & right like an animal and expect to not be judged badly by society.

It's a good thing we don't abide by the social norms of the subcontinent on a global scale then.
 
I don't think having few ex wife & kidz would be good for your career , too many bothering personal issue.

East Asia isn't as conservative as us here , you can't just impregnant woman left & right like an animal and expect to not be judged badly by society.

Few? He only had one ex-spouse and two kids. Wtf are you on about here by bragging about your culture? He is French not one of your own tribe mate.
 
Yeah that's just it. Big club in England. Supporters are great.

Since then he didn't express that feeling so much. .
You said in the first interview he didn't say he was proud. That was a lie. Since then how many interviews has he had, exactly? He's a private/quiet person who isn't great at speaking English and since 2016 things haven't exactly been great for him on and off the field.

Martial said: "I'm so excited to be joining Manchester United. I have enjoyed my time at AS Monaco and I would like to thank them and the fans for everything they have done for me.

"I have always wanted to play in the Premier League and to join the biggest club in the world is what every young footballer dreams of. I am looking forward to meeting my new team-mates and working with Louis van Gaal, who has achieved so much in his career."

They're the initial quotes on the website that mention the 'biggest club in the world' if that is what you're looking for. I don't get the importance of wanting players to state it, personally. He's saying the same stuff the other names you mentioned said.
 
Taking a thread off topic/Wumming
Few? He only had one ex-spouse and two kids. Wtf are you on about here by bragging about your culture? He is French not one of your own tribe mate.

Honestly cannot believe people are feeding a troll going on about impregnating women.

Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early 20s to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ? I don't think it's French culture , did Pogba do the same ? Did all French guy does the same ? I Doubt it. All Martial coach & ex coach such as Ranieri, Jardim , Deschamps and Jose has questioned his mentality and attitude before , he shouldn't keep thinking about his sex life , his wives , his relationship and his children when he is with the team , whether it's on or off the pitch.
 
Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ? I don't think it's French culture , did Pogba do the same ? Did all French guy does the same ? I Doubt it , Pogba is very religious person, a true muslim won't feck here and there having multiple kidz. All Martial coach & ex coach such as Ranieri, Jardim , Deschamps and Nl

My word. What an utter nonsense you are. What country are you? French is secular nation first and foremost. Privacy and work not cumpute there. Pogba being muslim is another matter? Why bringing that up? Martial is 22. Not a mere teenager, he is millioner with enough money to support both his child ffs. What his religion has to do with anything really? You are spouting nonsense here. We have general section about religion if you wanna debate about that.
Cant believe i have to defend Martial about his wife and kids.:wenger:
 
Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early 20s to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ? I don't think it's French culture , did Pogba do the same ? Did all French guy does the same ? I Doubt it. All Martial coach & ex coach such as Ranieri, Jardim , Deschamps and Jose has questioned his mentality and attitude before , he shouldn't keep thinking about his sex life , his wives , his relationship and his children when he is with the team , whether it's on or off the pitch.


What how does this even matter to anything. Whatever anyone does in their personal life is none of your business.
You have no right to judge people like this anywhere.

There could be people on this forum in exact situation you describe how do you think your post makes them feel when they read your absolute tripe
 
Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ?
You're making it sound like he had 2 wives and 2 or more kids before he turned 20. He had one wife and one child and had been with her since he was young. They unfortunately split up and he had a new relationship and he had a second kid in his 20s. He's not even the first player at a Manchester club to have two children with two women by the age of 22.

a true muslim won't feck here and there having multiple kidz.
Ah, here's the issue. Martial isn't even Muslim as far as I know so what is the point of bringing up Pogba and his religion?
he shouldn't keep thinking about his sex life , his wives , his relationship and his children when he is with the team , whether it's on or off the pitch
You seem to be coming up with all sorts of assumptions that you don't know.
 
Can someone tell him kids is spelled with an s not a z

Probably a cultural thing, when you have more than two it's written Kidz and you add one z per kid.
 
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That's it for martial here then. Shame
 
Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early 20s to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ? I don't think it's French culture , did Pogba do the same ? Did all French guy does the same ? I Doubt it. All Martial coach & ex coach such as Ranieri, Jardim , Deschamps and Jose has questioned his mentality and attitude before , he shouldn't keep thinking about his sex life , his wives , his relationship and his children when he is with the team , whether it's on or off the pitch.

Ranieri, Jardim and Deschamps never questioned his mentality, they all pushed him and challenged him to exploit his potential but none of them have questioned his mentality.
 
Martial related threads always deliver unlike his pitch performance surely. :D:lol:

Not really - all fans have to blame is his personality & work rate to this day. Therefore you are bound to see occasional fans who assume they are on the right path by also going in that direction but simply up to the point where the pro Jose fans can't feed off that type of comments.

All it was is a mere extraction of something already done by Jose & his fans. It happened to all the players that left Jose - ultimately because its not vital for United but essential for Jose.
 
Not really - all fans have to blame is his personality & work rate to this day. Therefore you are bound to see occasional fans who assume they are on the right path by also going in that direction but simply up to the point where the pro Jose fans can't feed off that type of comments.

All it was is a mere extraction of something already done by Jose & his fans. It happened to all the players that left Jose - ultimately because its not vital for United but essential for Jose.

I have no intention to hear your long thesis about what is and what not. So, in short, for me, it goes both ways. Martial and Jose have their fair share to blame. You cant question one without looking other sides also.

Its like going on a loop without ending. If you are have that much hatred about Jose, just keep it to yourself, no need to blame others for a merely your suspicious hate
 
Do you guys really think it's normal for teenager , early 20s to have wife / kidz more than one ? Really ? I don't think it's French culture , did Pogba do the same ? Did all French guy does the same ? I Doubt it. All Martial coach & ex coach such as Ranieri, Jardim , Deschamps and Jose has questioned his mentality and attitude before , he shouldn't keep thinking about his sex life , his wives , his relationship and his children when he is with the team , whether it's on or off the pitch.
wtf :lol:
 
“After baby is born, he should be here, he’s not”

Effectively AWOL according to Jose.
 
I don't understand, his girlfriend just had a kid and he's expected to be on tour already?
 
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