Barca have had two confirmed outgoings today, smaller deals but they might just be approaching the point where they would be able to squeeze Rashford in on a straight loan with them covering a percentage of his salary. Obviously that would be better for all than him just sitting here and collecting his money and might just be enough to get him a permanent move somewhere in the summer. We need to be proactive in making this happen, our transfer team really need to show their worth with the outgoings they can complete as much as with new signings.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
I look back at the time he came into the first team like a breath of fresh air and I am fully aware of what has happened since but do not know the reason why. Certainly something has gone badly wrong but does anyone know the reason why, perhaps only Rashford knows. However, Amorims babyish behaviour is not going to do any good. Why not shove him back into the team and tell him to show what he can do. Very worst scenario is that Rashford has degraded to a pile of crap, even so he can not be any worse than Hojlund or Zirkzee so what is there to lose?
Sounds like collaboration v2
Has Jamie Jackson become more and more of a hack in recent years?
Think Amorim has done that already. The thing to lose is by breaking the standard being set regarding effort. Not like we have Top 4 on the line this year.
He’s apparently on £300k/£350k a week and presumably the standard 25% non CL cut applies. He’s therefore currently on £225k/£265k. £110k-£130k as a 50% contribution doesn’t sound that unreasonable for most clubs.
It seems pretty much undeniable by now that Amorim is not the problem here.
This is about Rashford's professionalism (lack thereof, basically).
Amorim isn't a loon who has something against Rashford on a personal level.
I think it was him on talksport on Sunday - I can't stand him. He clearly dislikes us.
He's writing his first two fiction novels. I wonder if he thinks sports journalism is beneath him? He certainly reports on us and our press conference like he is a rival fan, and not United correspondent for a major newspaper.
I do not believe in the Barcelona links, I just think Arsenal are gonna make an offer for Rashford, in the last day of the window
Babyish behaviour? What a load of bollocks
Fair enough, hadn’t considered the reduction.
Why put him in the team when he's obviously not putting in the required effort? What message would that send? We either want to change the culture here or we don't. There's a reason why just about every other team has outrun Man United in the past few years and it's rooted in this kind of thinking
He’s been a hack for a long time but recently he’s added bitter and deluded to his arsenal.
Actually alot to lose if he does... his integrity, the squads confidence in the manager.
Its completely counter productive to keep banging on about standards to the squad but then end up playing Rashford who doesn't meet the standards... what kind of example does that send out to the squad.
Pretty much what Ten Hag did and he lost the faith of players like Amad.
So there is alot to lose, just cause a manager says, I have high standards in training its baby behaviour?
I would say crying to have your fav player back is more babyish behaviour.
There's nothing to lose with Rashford, because his output is negative.
No babyish behaviour from Amorim.
No babyish behaviour from Amorim.
That to me says he's probably shocked at how unprofessional Rashford is and thinks it's probably best if he doesn't talk to him incase he loses it and gives him a right mouthful.
Probably doesn't wanna be there when he bursts in to tears because someone shouted at him!
Apparently the hottest prospect after Mbappe at some point, even made Buffon and Mbappe cry at Parc de Princes. But now even Barca is offering us a fatty for him? the disrespect ffs.
Doesn't talk to Rashford vs has nothing to say to Rashford.
One sounds spiteful and childish. One sounds pretty rational for a guy who doesn't make our bench and is looking for a new challenge elsewhere.
One sounds spiteful and childish. One sounds pretty rational for a guy who doesn't make our bench and is looking for a new challenge elsewhere.
Amorim is trying to raise the standards of the club, something we all have being crying out for - only to be accused of babyish behaviour for doing just that.
So basically they're waiting until he's not desirable to any big club anymore before bidding for him....... penny saving bastards. Why can't some CEO just do a Woodward and pay silly money for him? it's only us who did it!
Presuming he doesn't leave now, aren't we screwed in the summer too if he doesn't play? Who is going to take a big punt on a player that hasn't played in a year?
I think he isn't motivated any more because we have been like a mid table team for a while now, and were not showing signs of turning things round before he is probably 30 years old. Probably wants CL football etc.
I think he still cares about his image and might take a paycut somewhere before that happens. But if it does happen, I can see him going full Bale and get paid for not playing football. Just running down his contract.
I really wish Amorim hadn't made Rashford publicly state that he wanted to leave whilst doing absolutely bugger all on the pitch, otherwise all of this would go away.
thats weird, about 6 months ago he was warning people dont dare question his comittment to Manchester United
Got deadline day written all over it hasn’t it
Garnacho to stay
Reckon we’ll get someone in?
Garnacho to stay
Reckon we’ll get someone in?
Talking is easier than doing, and as proven throughout this thread and by his journalist friends, people are more than happy to find excuses for him if the talking doesn't work.
I think you might be applying malice where there is none. He’s a United fan, and he’s had a lot of grief on the Guardian in the past for United favouritism. He may be trying to give the impression he’s balanced with some of his terrible pieces recently.
His main problem is he’s a really shit writer for somebody who gets paid to do it, and he’s not very insightful.
I bet he doesn't even play golf!
I pretty much enjoy only Barney Ronay’s pieces. The last JJ piece I read was just shy of being a polemic.
I agree with all of these responses to the ridiculous post about "babyish behaviour" from Amorim. As takes on the situation go, that's one of the worst I've heard. Rashford has been excluded because his effort in training, and all the behaviour associated with his approach to professionalism etc., is below the standard required for a Manchester United player. The ONLY ways through that are to either (a) leave, or (b) raise your standards to those required.
Rashford clearly doesn't want to do (b) or it would've happened already. It's not difficult to go into work every day, with a positive, professional attitude, and give 100%. Especially when your job is playing fecking football. If a player thinks they are too good for that, or can't find the motivation to do it, then they serve zero purpose for the club. By reintegrating them into the team, you undercut everything you are trying to achieve in raising standards. "Hey everyone, if you don't give 100% and carry yourselves with the upmost professionalism, you won't be part of the team. Except Marcus of course, he can't be arsed but I'm putting him in the team anyway." Doesn't really have a ring to it.
No player is bigger than the club, and especially not a player that hasn't delivered anything of note in the last 18 months. Rashford, unfortunately, is the product of his environment. Here was a player who rose to prominence under famed disciplinarian Louis Van Gaal. He came onto the scene as an all action, tireless, forward. A player who made endless runs into the channels, pressing, behind the lines. Was constantly moving, and buzzing around. He was a real force of nature. He gradually started developing his game, filled out tremendously, became a really exciting and explosive inside forward....but over the OGS era, we started to see more and more player power come to the fore. It has reared it's head during the Mourinho era. OGS famously was fairly lax when it came to discipline and training. Preferring a more laissez-faire approach to the game. A move to "bring the joy back". And in fairness to him, he did very well for two seasons. But as he hit a rocky patch, the squad didn't have the discipline, grit, or determination to pull themselves out of it. The ended up as a bunch of moody, man-boys, who didn't want to do the hardwork and wanted everything their own way. Ragnick saw this when he came in, and was palpably shocked by the lack of professionalism throughout the squad.
Rashford never recovered from this. His key formative years were at his boyhood club, getting paid 300k+ a week, in an environment dominated by player power, overseen by an indulgent, profligate board who indulged his ridiculous attitude because he was a "star". Now reality has bitten. There is a whole new structure, no more indulgence of prima-donna's, exacting standards, sensible recruitment, resetting of cultural and professional standards, and a lot of the players are apparently not keen to conform. Those players have to go. Sancho is gone, Rashford will be next. It is their loss, not ours. Absolute ruthlessness is required. There is nothing to prevent Marcus from coming into training tomorrow, to pull the manager aside and say "Boss, I was wrong, I can see that now. I want to give it all, I want to be at this club, I want to learn, I want to improve, and you can count on me to give 100% every time I step onto the training field", and then to go out there an actually do it. Absolutely nothing to stop him from doing that except (a) his pride, (b) his attitude, or (c) his (lack of) motivation or ambition.
There is virtually no player I would indulge outside of the standards, except for perhaps peak Messi, or an iconic leader like Cantona.....but the reason those players were so good in the first place, is because they worked so hard and led by example. So it's a moot point. What you don't do is indulge and make exceptions for a player without 9 goals in past 60 games, who spends 90% of the game walking or trotting about.
There was a point in time where with Garnacho, Rashford, Greenwood and Martial, I thought United had potentially one of the best strike forces in the world. 3 from the academy, and one signed as a teen. They were to come to represent everything that was good about Manchester United. 3/4 are now abject failures in terms of this club, and a fifth young talent and major signing, Jadon Sancho, has gone the same way. In nearly every case, the problem hasn't been talent, it has been attitude, discipline, character, and work ethic etc. That should tell you everything you need to know about the type of culture we have had at this club for the last decade. How does one club produce so many top young talents, and then have all of those talents fall off because of off the field, or lack of application reasons? Unless there is a serious cultural problem at the club.....
The work Ineos and Amorim are doing to change the culture, is the single most important work done since Fergie left. It's more important than results right now, and it's more important than trophies this season. Anything we achieve in the short term (cup wins under ETH for example) are just papering over the cracks of a broken, rotten institution. Ineos are now fixing the foundations, and things will get ugly as a result. Players, big players, will leave. Results will suffer. Sacrifices will have to be made. Dirty laundry will be aired. The list goes on. But it is VITAL that we stay the course. That we reset and rebuild this club with the cast iron discipline and high standards that drove it to success over the 30 years Fergie was here. To be the best, to compete with the best, you have to have an environment that demands excellence in everything. That exudes application, dedication and hard work. That makes intelligent, data driven decisions, and uses facts rather than emotion to drive decision making.
Zero exceptions, zero tolerance for application underperformers, and a close knit culture. A player can play badly, and still be a part of the squad, if that player is giving 100% to the cause, and doing everything they can to improve. A player can play well, but be sold or dropped, if they are only giving 50 or 75%, but the effects of indulging that player, spreads to everyone and everything.
TL;DR - Sell Rashford.
I have never seen anything like it before. A new manager comes in and you make no effort to impress him.
There’s been talk about his attitude for years but I get the feeling because of his contract and good PR he almost got a free pass to feck around.
He’ll regret it in years to come. I can see a Lingard esque trajectory for his career from here on out