Marcus Rashford (out)

SER19 said:
im surprised we cant dump this guy for a few months. even if we save as little as 50% of his wages thats about 3 million off the books without a loan fee, and hopefully he'd score a couple of goals and have some value when we actually sell in summer.
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You say as little as 50% but that’s still about £175k a week. Rules out 99 percent of clubs.
 
Berbaclass said:
You say as little as 50% but that’s still about £175k a week. Rules out 99 percent of clubs.
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ya but if there was no loan fee, its not a bad figure for a team in need of a player between now and may. obviously theyd have to believe rashford could make a difference, which might mean suspending reality for a minute

west ham and potter for example, might get a nice little 3 month bounce from him
 
Rashford’s departure is inevitable and his lack of effort in games is clear but unlike Sancho and Lingard, I can’t help feeling sorry that it has ended up like this for him. It could be a mental issue plaguing his ability to play or a whole host of non-football related reasons.
 
FlyingTrotter said:
Henry Winter was on Sky Sports yesterday - it’s clipped on the website - sounds like he’s had more BRIefing from the Rashford camp - does not say a lot aside from he’s training well, doesn’t think he had a club lined up in Dec when they did the first interview , seems to suggest he is ready to leave as accepts the new tactics do not work for his skill set but it’s quite lukewarm
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Berbaclass said:
You say as little as 50% but that’s still about £175k a week. Rules out 99 percent of clubs.
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It's worth him going somewhere on loan even if we pay all his wages though to get him away from the rest of the squad and perhaps tempt in some offers.
 
Adisa said:
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Scholes usually comes across as slow and thick, but he's bang on here. If Rashford really wanted to play he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet. He might not be world class but he's at least a 7/10 player who'd drag this 5/10 team up the table (a bit).
 
tekkers3 said:
Not every player is a top player every season. Few of the current squad are near the level of the players you've mentioned, but that doesn't mean you ship them off.
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The ones listed were during their respective periods with the club.

And I’ll say to loud and clear again. It’s those levels that we need to aspire to.

I’m tired of the mediocrity
 
nazanto said:
Why is Spurs is not looking at him? Surely they can pay us some fees pay his wages
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AngeloHenriquez said:
Great shout - I think someone like Postecoglou with his attack attack mentality could actually bring the best out of him and I'm no fan of Rashford
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Thats where Son plays and Son is a waaaay better player than Rashford. I looked at their league output over the past 8 seasons I think it was and its not even close.

As to the Scholes video, I think hes 100% correct but Rashford doesn't give a shit. He would have to have some introspection and self awareness to be bothered by those sort of thoughts. Its all me me me like modern society teaches people from a young age and getting to where Rashford was at such a young age is even worse for that.

He needs to bugger off and get the rest of his mediocre career over with somewhere else.
 
DRJosh said:
Rashford’s departure is inevitable and his lack of effort in games is clear but unlike Sancho and Lingard, I can’t help feeling sorry that it has ended up like this for him. It could be a mental issue plaguing his ability to play or a whole host of non-football related reasons.
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He's lazy and entitled, don't try to make it something it isn't.
 
How much did Rashford earn until 2023? He had a great 22/23 season and then got this 325k pounds contract (probably bit lower now with no CL football) until 2028. I'm sure there are players at Liverpool and City who performed well for years but aren't/werent on 325k. We spoil this players with huge contracts that they mostly don't deserve.
 
DRJosh said:
Rashford’s departure is inevitable and his lack of effort in games is clear but unlike Sancho and Lingard, I can’t help feeling sorry that it has ended up like this for him. It could be a mental issue plaguing his ability to play or a whole host of non-football related reasons.
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It sounds harsh, but it's the old point of 'keep your personal life out of work'. I imagine hundreds of player's before him have suffered similarly through life problems and events but it can never be an excuse. If it was all that important, they would retire.

It could be a whole host of reasons in theory. My personal belief is that the relentless media has affected him - and he'll fair much better abroad where it's not so bad media wise and find him performing as he should be. Not knocking him either, as I don't think I could have handled the media onslaught that he has. And by media I'm referring to social media as well as MSM.
 
DRJosh said:
Rashford’s departure is inevitable and his lack of effort in games is clear but unlike Sancho and Lingard, I can’t help feeling sorry that it has ended up like this for him. It could be a mental issue plaguing his ability to play or a whole host of non-football related reasons.
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Sancho was supposed to have had mental issues while lingard had personal issues. None of these players had ever accepted a pay cut because their performance levels had nosedived and no other club has ever bailed them out by offering a decent fee + paying their salary in full for them
 
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Camilo said:
Scholes usually comes across as slow and thick, but he's bang on here. If Rashford really wanted to play he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet. He might not be world class but he's at least a 7/10 player who'd drag this 5/10 team up the table (a bit).
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In the last 4 years, Rashford has only been a 7/10 player for about 9 months. His normal level is 4/10.
 
BorisManUtd said:
How much did Rashford earn until 2023? He had a great 22/23 season and then got this 325k pounds contract (probably bit lower now with no CL football) until 2028. I'm sure there are players at Liverpool and City who performed well for years but aren't/werent on 325k. We spoil this players with huge contracts that they mostly don't deserve.
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Because we are badly run, shit and desperate. Also throw in the love of romanticizing our youth products, recipe for disaster. Having said all that, it’s still Rashford’s fault for being unmotivated and a shite professional.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I think the big problem with what Amorim said is that he's thinking about this like someone who cares about giving a shit about something. "Oh, he's saying I'm shit. I'll prove him wrong" etc.

In reality I think Rashford doesn't care. He'll take the money and just talk, talk, talk about how great he is. Because words are easy and low effort. We've all met blaggers like him.

The "willing to play for the team" / "willing to work with Amorim" brief was the final straw for me. That's a curated phrase, he and his team thought about those words. He's not in a position to be "willing" to do anything. He's a United player, being paid £350k a fecking week, and the manager is the boss. He should either see it as his duty or he can feck off with his billy big bollocks bullshit.
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That's a good point. I didn't pay much notice to that quote initially but when you think about it, it says a lot. As you say, a lot of thought would have gone into that and the best they can come up with is 'willing'.

He's not desperate to play for the club again, he doesn't want to, wouldn't love to. He's just willing. So basically if he doesn't get a move to a club at a level he thinks he should be playing at, he'll put up with staying here.

Even at the point of the new challenge interview I was okay with him coming back into the side if he proved to Amorim that he deserved that chance, maybe this would finally be the kick up the arse he needed. But he's clearly done here now and only has himself to blame. Malacia seems to be his best mate in the squad, just look at what he's been through in the last 18 months or so to get himself back in a position where he can take part in training. And then you can't be bothered to put the effort in.
 
It's getting absolutely ridiculous now.

I'm sick of hearing about him. Even if he was training well he should have been sold. His performances have been disgraceful.
 
Adtshepherd said:
Rashford gets a little too much hard stick. People dislike him because of his consistency. But when he is there it's hard to find a winger with his type of stats. He just can't be relied up on that's the issue.

Also don't think amorims quotes have helped us to try and shift him.
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If anything Rashford doesn't get enough hard stick, his inconsistency isn't what most fans have an issue with, his lack of effort and unwillingless to remedy that is what pisses most of us off

The fact that the coach says he would pick a 60+ goalkeeping coach over a player that doesn't work/try hard enough tells you everything you need to know
 
Rashford expectations: Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Arsenal, Inter, Napoli all to come knocking and can't wait to sign him and will be fighting over matching his 300k salary cause hes worth it and he's that damn good and did nothing wrong at united.
Reality: Will Go on loan to spurs or go to Saudi league.

Arsenal are having a bit of an injury crisis and they won't pay the 5 million to get him for remainder of season on loan. Arteta won't bring any rot back to the club after clearing it all during his tenure.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
That's a good point. I didn't pay much notice to that quote initially but when you think about it, it says a lot. As you say, a lot of thought would have gone into that and the best they can come up with is 'willing'.

He's not desperate to play for the club again, he doesn't want to, wouldn't love to. He's just willing. So basically if he doesn't get a move to a club at a level he thinks he should be playing at, he'll put up with staying here.

Even at the point of the new challenge interview I was okay with him coming back into the side if he proved to Amorim that he deserved that chance, maybe this would finally be the kick up the arse he needed. But he's clearly done here now and only has himself to blame. Malacia seems to be his best mate in the squad, just look at what he's been through in the last 18 months or so to get himself back in a position where he can take part in training. And then you can't be bothered to put the effort in.
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My theory is he assumed once he announced he wanted to leave that he'd have clubs lining up to get him, and when that didn't really happen he then thought he might be stuck here. So he had his people put out stories about how well he was training and how he was willing to play for the club again to increase pressure on Amorim to reinstate him to the team.

And Amorim saw through that and decided to blow up the theory he was training well by revealing he was lazy and unprofessional. Basically calling Rashfords bluff.
 
Cypriot said:
It sounds harsh, but it's the old point of 'keep your personal life out of work'. I imagine hundreds of player's before him have suffered similarly through life problems and events but it can never be an excuse. If it was all that important, they would retire.

It could be a whole host of reasons in theory. My personal belief is that the relentless media has affected him - and he'll fair much better abroad where it's not so bad media wise and find him performing as he should be. Not knocking him either, as I don't think I could have handled the media onslaught that he has. And by media I'm referring to social media as well as MSM.
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In my opinion everything around Rashford was done wrong. His introduction to first team football wasn't down to careful planning but down to yet another Dutch manager underestimating the EPL by focusing on a small squad only to be caught with his pants down. To Rashy credit he took the opportunity with both hands. Unfortunately we became reliant on the then kid which is dangerous as it placed him in the limelight at an immature age and gave him little time to develop as a man and as a player. Then ole ran him to the ground and the end result of that is a one dimensional player on a silly salary who thinks he is prime George Best and who can only rely on pace (that is slowly failing him) and in a counter attacking football

The way legends are hitting him after hyping him so much reveals the cruel FACT of football. No one is bigger than the club, this is a performance business and those who once begged for an interview will turn against you once you had fallen out of grace
 
Judas said:
Because we are badly run, shit and desperate. Also throw in the love of romanticizing our youth products, recipe for disaster. Having said all that, it’s still Rashford’s fault for being unmotivated and a shite professional.
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All true, well said.

And completely agree with what other posters are saying - guy is on around 300k a week (most people won't earn that in 10 years?) and his PR talks about him being willing to play. You're not willing, you're obligated to train and be available for your club. You're being paid huge money, not volunteering. I can understand people stop caring enough at some point being on shite wages, but it's not justified given how much Rashford is earning.
 
romufc said:
Think he is finding that a new challenge is too competitive for him.. He needs to go to MLS, he wants that lifestyle. Play in a slower league and go partying.
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If you think an MLS team would allow a player to go partying during the season then think again
 
Plant0x84 said:
He was already one of the better players under Rangnick and ETH. He’d was willing to learn, work hard for the team and follow instructions. Selling him was stupid, though hindsight I guess.
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No it wasn't, we played with wingers then, and Garnacho and Rashford were way ahead of him, this was before Rashford became a big issue and Garnacho was the blue-eyed boy
 
Rashford tasking his 'people' with sorting out the Barcelona move brings to mind David Brent asking his agent to get him on Parkinson in the Office Xmas Special
 
he wants to go to a place like Barcelona...but if he thinks that a German gaffer like Flick is going to allow him to waltz around thru training and be lazy, he's a bit fecking mental
 
Adisa said:
I fear INEOS might try twist Amorim's arm if he's here after the window closes.
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You are being Naive if you actually believe Amorim is the only one driving this , he offcourse is on board and doing heavy lifting in public but its Ineos who have made the decision won't be surprised at all if things turn real ugly for Rashford if he doesn't move this window .
 
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Adisa said:
I fear INEOS might try twist Amorim's arm if he's here after the window closes.
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He wouldn't be doing what he currently is without carte blanche from Ratcliffe. I don't think it will change after window closes, unless Rashford himself decide to return to playing professional football.
 
gajender said:
You are being Naive if you actually believe Amorim is the only one driving this , he offcourse is on board and doing heavy lifting in public but its Ineos who have made the decision won't be surprised at all if things turn real ugly for Rashford if he doesn't move this window .
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Rashford to join INEOS America's cup boat crew...as Anchor!
 
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