Marcus Rashford (out)

tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose it’s the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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Yeah. That right there is a list of pretty terrible players. It’s delusional to think they are the quality we need

I’m lucky enough to have see the 08, 99 and earlier squads and they are the levels we should be aiming for.

Would McT get a sniff vs Robson, Ince, Keane..nope. How about Butt, Keane, Scholes…again nope. Let’s try for game time up against Carrick, Hargreaves, Scholes. Nope. It’s laughable

Elanga and Rashford are so far off Sharpe, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Beckham

You see the trend. The standards are so low that people think above average players are good enough for a club that aspires to be the best in the world
 
Pughnichi said:
Yeah. That right there is a list of pretty terrible players. It’s delusional to think they are the quality we need

I’m lucky enough to have see the 08, 99 and earlier squads and they are the levels we should be aiming for.

Would McT get a sniff vs Robson, Ince, Keane..nope. How about Butt, Keane, Scholes…again nope. Let’s try for game time up against Carrick, Hargreaves, Scholes. Nope. It’s laughable

Elanga and Rashford are so far off Sharpe, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Ronaldo, Beckham

You see the trend. The standards are so low that people think above average players are good enough for a club that aspires to be the best in the world
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Not every player is a top player every season. Few of the current squad are near the level of the players you've mentioned, but that doesn't mean you ship them off.
 
tekkers3 said:
Not every player is a top player every season. Few of the current squad are near the level of the players you've mentioned, but that doesn't mean you ship them off.
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Sure, but the difference between those players and Rashford is they weren't getting astronomical wages like Rashford with the expectant production.

In particular, Elanga and McTominay may have lacked things, but they didn't shirk their duties or ever even gave off a hint of unprofessionalism for their managers to question.

Rashford has been a total joke in terms of application, effort, and output on the pitch virtually from the moment he signed the contract he's on now, one that put him on higher wages than Salah. So not only has he not delivered the goal production you'd expect if such a well remunerated player he also doesn't work hard or fight, at all.

Comparing him to those players is damning.
 
tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose its the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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And these people were right, each one of these times? :) What's your point?
 
The problem with Rashford is less about his ability and more to do with the fact he is a lazy, entitled twat with zero self awareness. Players are moved on if they are not good enough or don’t fit in. Rashford just can’t be arsed breaking sweat for his £350,000 p/w, which is unforgivable, especially when fans are stretched to their limits with price increases for the privilege of watching this waster
 
AR87 said:
Sure, but the difference between those players and Rashford is they weren't getting astronomical wages like Rashford with the expectant production.

In particular, Elanga and McTominay may have lacked things, but they didn't shirk their duties or ever even gave off a hint of unprofessionalism for their managers to question.

Rashford has been a total joke in terms of application, effort, and output on the pitch virtually from the moment he signed the contract he's on now, one that put him on higher wages than Salah. So not only has he not delivered the goal production you'd expect if such a well remunerated player he also doesn't work hard or fight, at all.

Comparing him to those players is damning.
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AWB and McTominay were in the top 10 performing players in the 21/22, 22/23 and the 23/24 seasons. So why did we get rid of them?
Rashford has also been in the top 10 performing players each of those seasons. Sure, the goals are not there, but placing that blame solely on him is naive. There are many more things wrong.
I think those things should get more attention than Rashfords energy levels
 
tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose its the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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Rashford himself wants to leave.

“I think I’m ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”

I'm sure he aint talking about Call of Duty or Fortnite with that^^
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, we live in crazy times - so who knows.

But it's going to be pretty difficult for Rashford (his "camp") to spin this his way.

Amorim isn't a lunatic, he's a professional with high standards (that's how he comes across). Most people (who aren't up Rashford's arse) will interpret the latest development as a clear indication that Rashford is the problem, not Amorim.

Regardless of how many "friends" Rashford may have in the mainstream media - I just don't see it as plausible in any way that Amorim comes out of this thing as the bad guy.

And - I will add - Rashford himself would be well adviced to stay far away from making this a him versus Amorim thing. He's going to lose that battle spectacularly.

(And if he doesn't - well! Then we're well and truly fecked! Because if the people above Amorim are on Rashford's side here...

But they aren't - they aren't that stupid.)
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Ultimately Rashford has to realise that the reply has to be on the pitch and not through PR.
 
tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose its the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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:lol: You can’t believe we want someone with a shit attitude who isn’t that good a footballer either, to leave?

I like how you back that up with a list of mediocre players who previously left.
 
tekkers3 said:
AWB and McTominay were in the top 10 performing players in the 21/22, 22/23 and the 23/24 seasons. So why did we get rid of them?
Rashford has also been in the top 10 performing players each of those seasons. Sure, the goals are not there, but placing that blame solely on him is naive. There are many more things wrong.
I think those things should get more attention than Rashfords energy levels
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Because our level as a team in 21/22 and 23/24 were shit. Simply saying Rashford was top-10 in those seasons means nothing.

You're just lowering the bar for him. That's your prerogative. Have a blast.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Elanga should have stayed. He’d be a useful player for Amorim to have around. Could cover a 10 spot or a WB spot.
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Nobody had any idea Amorim was going to become United Manager when Elanga was sold.
 
tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose its the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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None of those players are the level should be aspiring towards. Our standards have dropped so low we think we should have them in the squad. We need to level up, this is not to say ETH did that, he did the opposite, hence us looking back at those players.
 
tekkers3 said:
I honestly cant believe so many want Rashford to leave. I suppose its the same people who wanted AWB, McTominay, Elanga etc out too. Crazy
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You look for the potential in a player when he is 20/21 and shows signs, even if inconsistent (which is normal at the age).

When you are 27, play badly for 3 years and cant be bothered to move your a**, no sane coach keeps this type of player around. Not rocket science.

People better stop watching 4+ years highlights.
 
English journos defender English players just because.

If this was said about Antony the media would love it and it would be a ‘show of strength’ from the manager.

The lad can’t even get a game for England. His attitude stinks
 
Rashford gets a little too much hard stick. People dislike him because of his consistency. But when he is there it's hard to find a winger with his type of stats. He just can't be relied up on that's the issue.

Also don't think amorims quotes have helped us to try and shift him.
 
Henry Winter was on Sky Sports yesterday - it’s clipped on the website - sounds like he’s had more BRIefing from the Rashford camp - does not say a lot aside from he’s training well, doesn’t think he had a club lined up in Dec when they did the first interview , seems to suggest he is ready to leave as accepts the new tactics do not work for his skill set but it’s quite lukewarm
 
Hasn't he found his New Challenge yet?

Can't Chelsea or Napoli just give us 50 or 60mil for him so we can keep Alejandro.
 
The Serpent said:
That makes zero sense, since he hasn't even played a game since November and the last time we scored over 3 goals in the league was with him in the team.

Mctominay was a beast in training by all accounts, but on match day loved to hide from the ball. There's been loads of players through the years who were renowned to not performing well in training but turn up match day, I truly hope this is not Amorim's real belief that a player must be playing out of their skin in training to deserve a place in the squad because it's just complete nonsense unless he wants passionate merchants all over the field with no talent. Because that was ten hag's way of thinking, where he didn't believe Amad was showing enough in training to overtake Antony who was training his arse off

Amorim sounds if he's appealing to the lowest common denominator to get cheap brownie points. Piling in on rashford is a easy goal, it does nothing to motivate the player and nothing to increase the prospects of attracting a bidder other than providing music to the ears of those who want rashford out by any means
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Here they come! Have you watched Rashford? Do you feel he works hard for the team?
 
Chris Sutton thinks that Rashford is behaving terribly and that Amorim was right to call him out on it. Broken clock and all that.
 
Bondi77 said:
Hasn't he found his New Challenge yet?

Can't Chelsea or Napoli just give us 50 or 60mil for him so we can keep Alejandro.
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Think he is finding that a new challenge is too competitive for him.. He needs to go to MLS, he wants that lifestyle. Play in a slower league and go partying.
 
Cantona in disguise said:
I'd like to know what the instructions are to onana because 9 times out of 10 he belts the ball up field. Surely he's being told to do that which is an odd tactic when rasmus is up top.
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Denis' cuff said:
Rio having his say. Thinks Rashy should sue the club if he is insulted by Rubens comments.

Think again Rio.

Can only imagine what he is like in training

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The Cat said:
Rio's punditry is awful. Best ignored.
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The Firestarter said:
Rio is a useful idiot. Again, Amorim did not say "I will play my senior citizen buddy before I play Marcus Rashford".
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Pughnichi said:
Jobs for the boys.

Any pundit that suggests he’s a good fit for Utd and shouldn’t be sold…quite frankly shouldn’t be a pundit.

More and more have recently started calling a spade a spade…Carragher, Deeney off the top of my head.

Hargreaves recent comments and now Rio’s just baffle me.
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Rio's punditry may be awful but he's clearly siding with the manager here and his point is Rashford should be ashamed of himself. He's bang on and has been taken out of context
 
FlyingTrotter said:
Henry Winter was on Sky Sports yesterday - it’s clipped on the website - sounds like he’s had more BRIefing from the Rashford camp - does not say a lot aside from he’s training well, doesn’t think he had a club lined up in Dec when they did the first interview , seems to suggest he is ready to leave as accepts the new tactics do not work for his skill set but it’s quite lukewarm
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His skill set?

That video posted recently, of him jogging not much further than on the spot, while the opponent dribbles a ring round him, I could do that, and I'm about the same age as the goalkeeping coach
 
I wonder if the club is brave enough to take a really firm stand to try and set a new precedent.

Instead of the usual deal where the club subsidises a player's unjustifiably high wages so they can move, how about we refuse to contribute even 1p?

Leave it up to Rashford if he wants to sit on the sidelines and see out the remaining three years of his contract. Or whether he actually wants to be a footballer.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I wonder if the club is brave enough to take a really firm stand to try and set a new precedent.

Instead of the usual deal where the club subsidises a player's unjustifiably high wages so they can move, how about we refuse to contribute even 1p?

Leave it up to Rashford if he wants to sit on the sidelines and see out the remaining three years of his contract. Or whether he actually wants to be a footballer.
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I said a while back that if his contract has an option for him to buy himself out, cancel it and send him an invoice for the fee.

He's behaving almost like someone who downed tools. Sometimes people get sacked in disputes.
 
I am glad that finally sentimentalism and all sort of excuses had ran out around the likes of Lingard, Sancho and Rashford and people are judging players on what they produce on the pitch rather then on the sob story their PR team is trying to feed us off it. We fans should take our share of blame on this for allowing standards to slip.
 
Bondi77 said:
Hasn't he found his New Challenge yet?

Can't Chelsea or Napoli just give us 50 or 60mil for him so we can keep Alejandro.
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Technically Napoli can't due to already signing two British players.

He's probably too old for Chelsea. Maybe West Ham will surprise us all
 
Bestofthebest said:
I am no great fan of Rashford but I do believe he is a far better player and goal threat than Hojlund ans Zirkzee. Amorim is not doing either himself or Rashford any good at all by publicly humiliating him. Get him back on the trading ground and give him a bit of match time instead of using the two dummies every match.
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You have no idea what it means to manage a team. The bearest minimum in any walk of life or as part of a team is effort. Anyone giving less than their fair share is poison. Telnet is secondary.
 
Adtshepherd said:
Rashford gets a little too much hard stick. People dislike him because of his consistency. But when he is there it's hard to find a winger with his type of stats. He just can't be relied up on that's the issue.

Also don't think amorims quotes have helped us to try and shift him.
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Rubbish. People dislike him because of a blatant lack of effort when he plays.
 
Adtshepherd said:
Rashford gets a little too much hard stick. People dislike him because of his consistency. But when he is there it's hard to find a winger with his type of stats. He just can't be relied up on that's the issue.

Also don't think amorims quotes have helped us to try and shift him.
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You’re right, people dislike him because he’s consistently shit.
 
It is just astonishing that a player that is so through and through a product of Manchester United has completely lost the desire to really make it. I dont have any problems whatsoever with someone failing at the club, as long as they actually give everything they have
 
tekkers3 said:
AWB and McTominay were in the top 10 performing players in the 21/22, 22/23 and the 23/24 seasons. So why did we get rid of them?
Rashford has also been in the top 10 performing players each of those seasons. Sure, the goals are not there, but placing that blame solely on him is naive. There are many more things wrong.
I think those things should get more attention than Rashfords energy levels
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AWB wanted to return to London, didn't he? His contract was running down so we didn't have a lot of choice if he wanted to go. McTominay was sold for PSR reasons - it was quite clear that Ten Hag at least didn't want to lose him.

Seems unavoidable to conclude that if present Rashford showed half the commitment on the pitch or in training of McTominay or Elanga then this situation wouldn't have arisen and we'd all be better off, most of all the club itself.
 
im surprised we cant dump this guy for a few months. even if we save as little as 50% of his wages thats about 3 million off the books without a loan fee, and hopefully he'd score a couple of goals and have some value when we actually sell in summer.
 
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