Marcus Rashford (out)

Spicy.

Very hard to see a way back, yet I’m also struggling to see a move in January. It might end up being a case of him being benched for the next few months and his agent will work on a permanent deal for the summer.
 
Wow Ruben buried him there! I suspect it’s partly frustration because Marcus has had options this transfer window and has chosen not to take them due to finances/prestige. Needs a bit of self awareness and to go play somewhere , anywhere, to restore some of his reputation.

So sad it’s come to this. Seeing that Brandon Williams video as well. My god. We got if so wrong with some of these youngsters.
 
pocco said:
We’ve tried every approach in the past and it hasn’t worked. When Jose and RR tried this, they weren’t backed by the club. Call his bluff in public, burn the bridges and force him out. If he’s got anything about him he’ll rethink his position on wages or whatever, and get himself out of here. Because at the moment, soundbites about him training well haven’t worked. We’ve a few days of the window and he’s still sat here with no clear intention of leaving. We have nothing to lose.
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Jose and RR weren't backed by the club, fair enough. But the fact that Rashford has not featured in so many games and is up for loan means that Amorim is being backed by this board. You say the soundbites about him training haven't worked - the interest from AC Milan till they signed Walker, and from Barcelona who are still looking to get a deal done by looking to free wages say otherwise. If the board is working with Amorim, shouldn't Amorim be also helping them out a bit?

Again, I love the honesty and no fear approach. It's unlike anything we've seen since Jose, and that's very refreshing. If I were to personally say feck what this means for the board or the club or the sale, and just about the team, I love that he's being direct, honest, and fearless because it means that we may have that personality we'd like to see on the pitch as well.

I'm not sure it was wise right now - Barcelona must be reconsidering their interest because of the PR backlash they may receive from signing a player who is so ill-thought of at United publicly now. Even if they believe he might be a good signing, how can they explain this one to their fans and expect them to be excited about the new bad apple?
 
Giggs' right foot said:
Can also add Brandon Williams. Had four weeks of use for us and got four year contract on about £60k. 13,5 million in wages... to Brandon Williams...

But at least we made sure we kept his feet on the ground, not getting carried away:
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In fairness, he also said hello to Christian Eriksen when he joined us.

Bit surprised that he's without a club, however. He's only 24 and he's not that fecking bad he shouldn't be able to find a decent club in the championship to play for.
 
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We'll get a Rashford quote on Instagram in the morning.
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Places your bets on what time. 10:10am is my guess.

George Owen said:
Does Amorin not realise we need to sell this guy?

With those comments we surely are just scaring away any offer.
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I don't think Amorim cares. He was hired as a coach. He's coaching. He didn't give Rashford the contract he's on and he doesn't care, or shouldn't care, if the money men in the club are sweating.

dcrompton said:
Shaw’s still injured
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To Steal Eyepopper's gif...

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Doracle said:
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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Nuts to that. A manager well and truly putting their foot down is long over due. A lot of these lads have been taking the p*ss for a long time now. Their contracts shouldn't be a shield. Fergie wouldn't be taking a lot of this crap.
 
pocco said:
I was watching boxing one night and him and Rashford were sat in the front row with their hoods up and their ridiculously oversized jewellery on show. This is whilst we were obviously playing absolutely shite and BW was an absolute nobody. I knew they were a pair of numpties when I saw that. This club have indulged some absolute feckwits over the years.
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Someone posted a photo of them both on here at the time. Not a surprise to see how they've gone since seeing it.

Think the club and its casual nature have been at fault too. Good to see Amorim getting it back on track discipline wise and stopping Garnacho going the same way hopefully. Sancho another just allowed to saunter.
 
I am with Amorim on this, the club has backed him against José,Ole and ETH, there's no way all these managers could be on the wrong.

He has barely brocken a sweat the last 18 months, not pressing, not tracking back,pulling out of headers, pulling out of 50-50( can't forget about the spurs one that led to their 1st goal in the League this season ).

People saying that this Statement might make it difficult to move him on.Most clubs do their background check before signings a player, it is possible that one of the reason some Clubs arent making any moved to sign him is because of his Attitude ,and lifestyle.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
Jose and RR weren't backed by the club, fair enough. But the fact that Rashford has not featured in so many games and is up for loan means that Amorim is being backed by this board. You say the soundbites about him training haven't worked - the interest from AC Milan till they signed Walker, and from Barcelona who are still looking to get a deal done by looking to free wages say otherwise. If the board is working with Amorim, shouldn't Amorim be also helping them out a bit?

Again, I love the honesty and no fear approach. It's unlike anything we've seen since Jose, and that's very refreshing. If I were to personally say feck what this means for the board or the club or the sale, and just about the team, I love that he's being direct, honest, and fearless because it means that we may have that personality we'd like to see on the pitch as well.

I'm not sure it was wise right now - Barcelona must be reconsidering their interest because of the PR backlash they may receive from signing a player who is so ill-thought of at United publicly now. Even if they believe he might be a good signing, how can they explain this one to their fans and expect them to be excited about the new bad apple?
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Honestly there’s no way that Barcelona don’t know all the ins and outs of what’s going on with Rashford. These clubs have so many connections in every country that they’d be idiots to not know. The problem is if we’re soft on Rashford in public then it leaves the door open for him to return, and also gives him leverage to hold out for top money or he will stay. All we’ve done is take that away from him, and let him know that if he does stay then he won’t be playing unless he works his backside off. We are days away from him staying anyway, 3 decent clubs were interested and all have walked away, no doubt over his wage demands. The guy thinks he’s got it cushty - get loads of money elsewhere or just stay at United and they’ll have to play him eventually. That’s why we can’t sell these feckers, because they have all the leverage. If he’s wants to stay and not play football for 3 years, it says a hell of a lot about him.
 
Public perception of the comments aside, it is a bit hearbreaking and infuriating to hear those comments. I had defended Rashford to bits in the Burst Rashy's bubble thread couple of years ago. Quite embarrassingly, I had renamed my professional work in a way that the acronym would spell 'MARCUS' a few years ago (a bit silly but I loved the player to bits). What a waste of talent, what a terrible fall from grace. How humiliating to have your PR claim you're up there with the best when your manager says he'd rather play the GK coach ahead of you. I hope he has someone in his parasitic sycophantic circle who has the kindness to tell him to feel ashamed of what his story has become. You say you want kids from your background to look up to you - and this is what you show them. Hope he gets a reality check and realizes what a shameful disappointment he's finally exposed to be.
 
humdinger said:
Wow Ruben buried him there! I suspect it’s partly frustration because Marcus has had options this transfer window and has chosen not to take them due to finances/prestige. Needs a bit of self awareness and to go play somewhere , anywhere, to restore some of his reputation.

So sad it’s come to this. Seeing that Brandon Williams video as well. My god. We got if so wrong with some of these youngsters.
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Wait.. what Brandon Williams video? Please share link
 
George Owen said:
Does Amorin not realise we need to sell this guy?

With those comments we surely are just scaring away any offer.
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Gandalf Greyhame said:
Jose and RR weren't backed by the club, fair enough. But the fact that Rashford has not featured in so many games and is up for loan means that Amorim is being backed by this board. You say the soundbites about him training haven't worked - the interest from AC Milan till they signed Walker, and from Barcelona who are still looking to get a deal done by looking to free wages say otherwise. If the board is working with Amorim, shouldn't Amorim be also helping them out a bit?

Again, I love the honesty and no fear approach. It's unlike anything we've seen since Jose, and that's very refreshing. If I were to personally say feck what this means for the board or the club or the sale, and just about the team, I love that he's being direct, honest, and fearless because it means that we may have that personality we'd like to see on the pitch as well.

I'm not sure it was wise right now - Barcelona must be reconsidering their interest because of the PR backlash they may receive from signing a player who is so ill-thought of at United publicly now. Even if they believe he might be a good signing, how can they explain this one to their fans and expect them to be excited about the new bad apple?
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Doracle said:
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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This is not Amorim speaking from the heart. This is deliberate strategic words. These are not off the cuff comments. These are well planned well thought out words. Maybe not exact words but basically pre planned and I think backed by the board.
 
chris123 said:
A hypothetical we probably at least need to entertain now... If there is absolutely no market for him, and he refuses to go to Saudi, what exactly do you do with a player happy to sit on this contract for 3 years?
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Freeze him out Bale style until he accepts a move somewhere. If he cares at all then he will try to find a way out. If he doesn’t then we can’t really do anything anyway.
 
Just to clarify the manager has every right to say that and drive the message.

In this instance he is not necessarily saying he will play a 60 year old before Marcus, he is saying he would prioritise effort over anything else for anyone. It’s easy to make the logical jump and connect the two but it’s been taken a bit out of context and this is hurting us.

feck the journo rats who are probably going to capitalise on this, we shouldn’t (internally at least) make this into a huge thing. It isn’t.


Too much ‘don’t hurt the kids’ feelings’ for a team that has been so underperforming is ridiculous. I’m sitting here trying to figure how bad was Jaden to oust him.
 
Ed9 said:
How good is Fati? Just thinking...
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As a teen he was incredible for his age. Injury has really hampered him. Risky signing, especially when we already have Mount perma-crocked, Eriksen and Casemiro largely frozen out, Shaw always injured. Would take as a cheap punt if we can move some deadwood on, and bring in some additional options.
 
Doracle said:
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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I think this is genius from Amorim.

I could be wrong, of course, but every response to the Rashy situation has been genius.

Initially he was sort of non committal and the response was an almost "no worries it's simply managing players minutes and getting to know the team", then it was a sort of nah no issues just needs to get up to speed with a new style of play to the guy needs to sort himself out to it's those around him. All of this conducive to a message of he still got it just needs a new challenge.

Now we know there is no real interest in him out there. Sure people will point to Milan and Barca etc but it wasn't doable really with us footing most of his money etc. Now we know he is likely to stay it's BOOM. Guy needs to buckle down or rot.

The only play Marcus is for Marcus to come good for us and we continue to pay him. It's obviously not a skills issue more a mental thing. An "I'm bigger than the club and am in demand" issue. The club has just said "hell no, no one wants you so buck the feck up or shut the feck up"

Amorim and the rest of the ownership have played this immaculately.
 
DON’T PANIC ™ said:
Amorim not hiding his feelings but comments like that won’t make it any easier to convince another Club to take him in January.
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I was thinking this. Maybe its to give Rashford a push, if it's Rashford who is delaying a move by holding out for more money. Shame him out the door.
 
Doracle said:
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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Rashford drops his wages 40% he’d be sold quickly. Amorim might as well use him as a motivational prop until then, because he isn’t being sold regardless.
 
This is all brinkmanship. I don't believe Rashford is really going to want to get to the end of the window and not have an out.

He has a PR team and a persona outside of football, but this is maintained by his prestige from football.

Amorims comments today has burnt him bad. Unlikely anyone takes Rashford without Rashford having to eat some humble pie.

I think his entourage is the biggest problem with Marcus. If he sacked them all tomorrow and then knuckled down with United he could still have a career here or anywhere else. Unlikely
 
Doracle said:
What on earth is Amorim doing? He realises we have to sell him right? Just be non-committal - it’s really not hard.

Fine that people love him burying Rashford but at least understand how damaging this is. Again, Rashford can happily sit there until 2028 and take another £50m out of the club. We make it impossible to sell him and that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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I'd argue that by taking a hardline publicly, he's forcing Rashford to consider the paycut for the sake of his career, both domestically and internationally.

You play poker with them right near the end of a window and when it looks increasingly like you're not getting back in the team, you start to sweat and make concessions.
 
NotChatGPT said:
You do know we're rolling up on almost two years of him not performing well?
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Yeah and Neymar hasn't played in about 2 years because his fitness has gone. And Shaw's only played like 5 games since this time last year. Is Shaw not more talented than anyone we have on the left side of defence?
 
Moiraine said:
Wait.. what Brandon Williams video? Please share link
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It’s a couple pages back in this thread. It’s nothing sinister but shows Brandon spending an absolute fortune on some bling jewellery. He’s young and immature and enjoying his money - I get that - but it’s not a great look. There’s definitely something wrong in the professionalism and work ethic of some of our academy players in recent years.
 
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