Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids

Doracle said:
I don’t get this. Arsenal have a clear weakness on their left wing, as do City. Rashford is quite some distance better than the options both teams have in those positions. If Arsenal or City thought that they had any chance of getting him, they’d be all over that transfer. Pep and Arteta would both back themselves to get the best out of him.
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2 years ago, Martinelli had a breakout season but last year he lost Xhaka and got given a completely out of place Havertz. Those first few games were awful, they are not on the same wavelength at all and he has shown very visible signs of frustration. It got better once Arteta gave up on Havertz as a #8. Martinelli still had a pretty bad season and could not finish as well as he did the year before.
Trossard finished with 17 goals / 2 assists, Martinelli finished with 8 goals / 5 assists, Rashford with 8 goals / 5 assists.
I don't know where you get that "quite some distance better" from ? 2021 ?

I understand that your squad isn't at the same level of Arsenal's right now but we also play differently. I haven't seen anything from Rashford that would excite me seeing him in our team.
Martinelli runs and dribble, Rashford doesn't really do it anymore. Trossard runs a fair bit too but is also really good at moving around defenders and getting in good shooting/scoring positions. Rashford can hit a mean one from 30 yards every once in a while.
I just prefer our options and if we wanted to upgrade, i'd hope we'd be looking at substantial improvements, not a sidestep like Rashford. 60/70M and insane wages in a blind hope for a position we already have 2 perfectly good options ? It makes no sense whatsoever.

About City, i'm not even sure if you're serious. Grealish was a vanity project, Pep had his fun, now he doesn't care. Doku had a good start and even at his worst i'd still rather have him and his penetrating runs than Rashford.
He does waste some of his dribbling with a bad final pass but he's at least aware of his teammates. How many times did we see Rashford not even thinking about passing/crossing just to shoot without hitting the target ?

Not sure if Savio will get a lot of gametime this season and if he can play on the left but City have access to almost anyone, why would they risk this transfer ? Cheap shot against United ala Tevez ? I think they're past that now.
Why do you think City and Arsenal have no chance of getting him ? They have the money, the manager, the apparently "free spot" in their 11 and United would clearly want to get rid given the opportunity.

I must have imagined all those games, pages and posts about Rashford not giving a feck, jogging back, dodging contact and duels, barely jumping for the ball, the way some of you defend him. I get he's a local lad and it hurts more but i honestly can't see anyone coming in for him, at least not at that price and not those clubs that are mentionned.
 
Doracle said:
I don’t get this. Arsenal have a clear weakness on their left wing, as do City. Rashford is quite some distance better than the options both teams have in those positions. If Arsenal or City thought that they had any chance of getting him, they’d be all over that transfer. Pep and Arteta would both back themselves to get the best out of him.
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Wow United fans and overrating their players. There is a reason Rashford is in United and no one is kicking at United doors for him. He is bang average and why would he leave a place where he is thought of as Messi by the united fans. No other fan of other teams have of ever said they want Rashford in their team.
 
Guys guys guys, why would anyone like marcus move on from here? Multi million pound to be poster boy of hisboyhood club. Its perfect for him right now, half assed performance and doing his 'cut in from left wing and get stuck into the cul de sacs' warrants no significant backlashes at all. And even when it happens, his PR machine will pop something up, and before you know its new contract time, and we will have a great season out him every third year. Honestly, why would anyone move on from that for? No, not this marcus. You have to be stupid.
 
Rojofiam said:
He is.



Based on what? This baseless myth just comes from him being friends with Pogba and Lingard.
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You been living under a rock? The man loves clubbing these days and it’s been well documented. I seem to remember a big night on the lash in Belfast and him calling sick the next day. He’s been spotting in lots of nightclubs these days.
 
imanshole said:
Wow United fans and overrating their players. There is a reason Rashford is in United and no one is kicking at United doors for him. He is bang average and why would he leave a place where he is thought of as Messi by the united fans. No other fan of other teams have of ever said they want Rashford in their team.
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Please present your evidence that shows Rashford is “thought of as Messi” by Utd fans. I’ll wait.
 
Listening to Duncan Castle's new podcast (he really does secure excellent guests, the best podcast around these days). Philippe Auclair is on talking about PSG and mentions the commercial side of their project being completely vacant, with Mbappe still adorning the advertising posters in their club shop on Oxford Street. They have very few marketable players, Dembele maybe the most recognisable one and Xavi Simons obviously - though the latter has a peculiar clause in his contract allowing him to decide for himself if he wants to stay on loan at Leipzig.

Makes me think it far more likely that they might be interested in him, mostly from a club perspective, much less so from a Luis Enrique perspective. But they need a star.
 
Bastian said:
Listening to Duncan Castle's new podcast (he really does secure excellent guests, the best podcast around these days). Philippe Auclair is on talking about PSG and mentions the commercial side of their project being completely vacant, with Mbappe still adorning the advertising posters in their club shop on Oxford Street. They have very few marketable players, Dembele maybe the most recognisable one and Xavi Simons obviously - though the latter has a peculiar clause in his contract allowing him to decide for himself if he wants to stay on loan at Leipzig.

Makes me think it far more likely that they might be interested in him, mostly from a club perspective, much less so from a Luis Enrique perspective. But they need a star.
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I think you're overrating Rashford's marketability. Leao or Osimhen would be big enough to become the new poster boy in any city. I don't think Rashford would eclipse any of Dembele, Barcola or Vitinha in France or Spain for example.
 
Rashford’s brand is miles bigger than any of those players, not to mention that he would be coming from the most watched league as a recognized face.

They were foolish to force out Neymar, for his marketability alone. They did it to keep their prize asset happy and now he has gone too.
 
Maluco said:
Rashford’s brand is miles bigger than any of those players, not to mention that he would be coming from the most watched league as a recognized face.

They were foolish to force out Neymar, for his marketability alone. They did it to keep their prize asset happy and now he has gone too.
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Miles bigger where?
 
Kinsella said:
Miles bigger where?
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Where the majority of the world watch their football, twice as many global viewers as the Champions League or La Liga. He is one of the players with the highest profile in that league, playing for the most supported club.
 
awop said:
I think you're overrating Rashford's marketability. Leao or Osimhen would be big enough to become the new poster boy in any city. I don't think Rashford would eclipse any of Dembele, Barcola or Vitinha in France or Spain for example.
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I don't know. Barcola is an up and coming French player, so in the French market, sure. Vitinha is an excellent player, but is he as marketable as Marcus MBE Rashford? Osimhen maybe, Leao I'm not sure. I think Rashford is more attractive in a marketing sense than a footballing sense, though if he gets his shit together he is a pretty good player.

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I think he'd easily be the one they'd choose to front their brand.
 
Maluco said:
Where the majority of the world watch their football, twice as many global viewers as the Champions League or La Liga. He is one of the players with the highest profile in that league, playing for the most supported club.
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You’re really overstating Rashford’s profile.
 
Rojofiam said:
He is.



Based on what? This baseless myth just comes from him being friends with Pogba and Lingard.
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I'm sorry but a player with 17 goals in a PL season might go for £80m, a player that scores more in night clubs in wales than in football games in a season probably goes for 30-40m.
He had a tragic output this year and we as fans would laugh off if liverpool asked £80m for Jota - who arguably had better stats than Marcus this year :lol:
If you argue last year it was an outlier, well perhaps the year before was the outlier really?
 
Kinsella said:
You’re really overstating Rashford’s profile.
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Do you really think the likes of Leão and Barcola are anywhere near him in terms of profile today?

Manchester United alone have 64 million Instagram followers.

Barcola 601k
Leão 6,1 mil
Osimhen 4 mil
Rashford 17,1 mil
 
Bastian said:
I don't know. Barcola is an up and coming French player, so in the French market, sure. Vitinha is an excellent player, but is he as marketable as Marcus MBE Rashford? Osimhen maybe, Leao I'm not sure. I think Rashford is more attractive in a marketing sense than a footballing sense, though if he gets his shit together he is a pretty good player.

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I think he'd easily be the one they'd choose to front their brand.
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95% of PSG fans would have no idea what MBE stands for or why he got it. :lol: Dembele/Barcola would be the frenchies. Leao and Osimhen also speak some french. That would buy them a lot of good will and they're both recently known around Europe for performing quite well. Rashford is known to down tools, being dropped from the England squad and a few off the pitch issues recently. But, hey we'll see, it's not like PSG have been smart in their dealings.
 
Maluco said:
Do you really think the likes of Leão and Barcola are anywhere near him in terms of profile today?

Manchester United alone have 64 million Instagram followers.

Barcola 601k
Leão 6,1 mil
Osimhen 4 mil
Rashford 17,1 mil
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It’s a profile built on a lot of sand though. If he goes to PSG…who cares exactly? He’s not a top player.
 
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TheNewEra said:
50m and accept in my opinion
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As what exactly are we going to do with £50m in today’s market? If we decide to sell him let’s make it at least £70m. fecking Everton want that for a one season wonder. At least Rashford has proven he can score across a few seasons, albeit last one being a bad one.
 
RDCR07 said:
As what exactly are we going to do with £50m in today’s market? If we decide to sell him let’s make it at least £70m. fecking Everton want that for a one season wonder. At least Rashford has proven he can score across a few seasons, albeit last one being a bad one.
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If you could make one deal with summer, you would not trade Rashford for DeLigt, Yoro or Ugarte ?
 
awop said:
If you could make one deal with summer, you would not trade Rashford for DeLigt, Yoro or Ugarte ?
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You’re still left with a gaping hole on the left wing. It’s creating a new problem while fixing three others. My point is keep him at least one more year till we find a suitable replacement and then sell him. We have enough issues as it is to fix this summer. Give it 12 more months. Who knows he might even get 20 goals.

Or get a huge fee where we can go out and get a replacement right away.
 
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I’d accept 50m for him too. Obviously better to get as high a fee but I don’t he’d be this enormous loss as made out to be. I’d anyway play Garnacho over him if both are fit because he what the right mentality (right now). And you can get good players for 50m, didn’t Liverpool sign Diaz for 35/40?
 
awop said:
If you could make one deal with summer, you would not trade Rashford for DeLigt, Yoro or Ugarte ?
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No, we can't even agree if De Ligt is worth it, Yoro hasn't proven anything, and Ugarte isn't even the type of 6 we want in the long run

The truth with Rashford is that he shouldn't have ever been our focal point in our attack, he's good not world class. But we haven't even tried to get anyone that's better than him so instead we're forced to make him the main guy. If we got another player or two that was better than him, Rashford would actually be more effective. Our best attacker since Rashford has been in the team is an old Zlatan, and Lukaku. Both players who only had 1-2 good seasons while in the club.

Make Rashford the secondary or tertiary point of attack and he'd be better. Is he paid a lot? Yes, but is that his fault or the clubs?
 
AlexUTD said:
Send him and Sancho to PSG while we still can get money for them.
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If Rashford had even had a semi-decent season, I’m sure PSG would’ve come sniffing for him after Mbappe left.. but now they probably don’t want to risk it considering the fees and wages package to get him
 
AlexUTD said:
They have done worse things.
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Exactly, done. Past tense.

They’ve been much wiser recently. Starting with getting L Enrique in. Their squad depth & balance has improved. So have their midfield signings. An improved Ruiz & new signing Neves will make them better going forward.

As for LW, I think they have high hopes with Barcola and hence why they haven’t really gone all out for a new signing like Leao or Rashford as they had wanted to previously.
 
The fact we've signed De Ligt doesn't bode well for Rashford IMO

We've signed Loro as a starter, surely.
And we've now signed De Ligt as a starter, right?

Looks to me, and given today's line-up, the plan is to put Butcher on the left as main backup for Shaw.

Butcher on the left is definitely not what Rashford needs, he needs a wide attacking FB running overlaps and making space
 
Red Company said:
Exactly, done. Past tense.

They’ve been much wiser recently. Starting with getting L Enrique in. Their squad depth & balance has improved. So have their midfield signings. An improved Ruiz & new signing Neves will make them better going forward.

As for LW, I think they have high hopes with Barcola and hence why they haven’t really gone all out for a new signing like Leao or Rashford as they had wanted to previously.
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Guess we are stuck with a overpayed and mediocre Rashford then..

The guy have showed up one season to get a new huge contract then back to beeing mediocre.

Another shiet contract renewal biting us in the ass for years to come.
 
AlexUTD said:
Guess we are stuck with a overpayed and mediocre Rashford then..

The guy have showed up one season to get a new huge contract then back to beeing mediocre.

Another shiet contract renewal biting us in the ass for years to come.
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Hopefully he’ll have a decent season this year and we’ll find a buyer for him and move him on next summer.. I think an in-form Garnacho & proactive strikers will make it hard for him to play a full season and that should bother him enough to move on if an offer comes in
 
Red Company said:
Exactly, done. Past tense.

They’ve been much wiser recently. Starting with getting L Enrique in. Their squad depth & balance has improved. So have their midfield signings. An improved Ruiz & new signing Neves will make them better going forward.

As for LW, I think they have high hopes with Barcola and hence why they haven’t really gone all out for a new signing like Leao or Rashford as they had wanted to previously.
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At PSG the problem is always the same, there's an invisible countdown running until Nasser loses patience. Campos and Luis Enrique definitely improved them and the stupidity and personal humiliation of the Mbappé drama probably bought them a lot of time and good will. Recruitment definitely improved last two summers. I wouldn't expect they'll come for Rashford. Currently looks too one dimensional and not the transcendental talent you get a glimpse of during his best years.

Sancho is a younger, more creative player you could take a gamble on with the right system.
 
Red Company said:
Hopefully he’ll have a decent season this year and we’ll find a buyer for him and move him on next summer.. I think an in-form Garnacho & proactive strikers will make it hard for him to play a full season and that should bother him enough to move on if an offer comes in
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I hope both Garnacho and Amad will start ahead of Rashford this season and i think you will be right.
 
EtH with his new staff do have to find a new way to get Rashford going. He is earning a lot, he is a Manchester icon since coming through the academy and will not have a buyer any time soon.

But Rash, to me at least, still seems like a good guy with all the qualities but just not getting his stuff together. I really hope that they can get him going!
 
Plastic Evra said:
At PSG the problem is always the same, there's an invisible countdown running until Nasser loses patience. Campos and Luis Enrique definitely improved them and the stupidity and personal humiliation of the Mbappé drama probably bought them a lot of time and good will. Recruitment definitely improved last two summers. I wouldn't expect they'll come for Rashford. Currently looks too one dimensional and not the transcendental talent you get a glimpse of during his best years.

Sancho is a younger, more creative player you could take a gamble on with the right system.
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I think Nasser has also learned his lessons.

The days of signing stars without purpose are behind him and the club.

The manager market is also quite different nowadays so he’s probably not in a rush to fire Enrique and allow him to build a good squad and chemistry.

It’s high time they win a CL now and they probably won’t risk buying players like Rashford unless he proves he’s consistent. There’s a higher chance they go for Leao than Rashford at the moment.

Sancho fits their system perfectly though. And dembele is always injury prone and Barcola too young to handle a full season so Sancho gives them cover on both wings and I’m pretty sure they will end up signing him before the transfer window closes
 
Feel like pure shit just want him gone
 
I thought Rashford played a decent game today, 6/7 out of 10. Like most of our players, his finishing isn’t really sharp yet, but he worked very disciplined defensively, went on several good runs, and got into goal scoring positions.

For me, three out of four wide forwards on show did well. Maybe it won’t be a crisis position this year?
 
Nogho said:
EtH with his new staff do have to find a new way to get Rashford going. He is earning a lot, he is a Manchester icon since coming through the academy and will not have a buyer any time soon.

But Rash, to me at least, still seems like a good guy with all the qualities but just not getting his stuff together. I really hope that they can get him going!
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I agree, apart from all his faults, I think if our training and general on-field play and possession stats improves, statistically it’ll bring a better return from Rashford as well..

There needs to be specific training for him to consciously get rid of his brain farts and play smarter..
 
He’s the one player in the team who could fetch good money (65m+) which could fund a world class replacement like Kvara. He really doesn’t contribute anywhere near enough to be first choice and paid as much as he is.
 
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