Williams would be good, but probably not the output we'd need to be replacing to get back to the top. Kvara might be a bit too dear to do a deal. I'd probably look at someone like Eze or Simons.
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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I dont disagree with that but am surprised when people think a player has more responsibilities (and failings) than the actual manager of a team
Did I say that?
This is the Rashford thread, and I was pointing out that Rashfords rap sheet of shitness is longer than Ten Hags, especially when it spans multiple seasons and multiple managers.
Regardless of who the manager is Rashford just has not been good enough and a purple season he had (under the management of Ten Hag btw) does not mask his failings
no agenda posting there. Simply pointing out what appears obvious regarding the situation.
theres been reports since well before the end of last season on certain players holding tight on their futures to see if the manager goes. It doesnt take a genius to see who this would be really, considering the timing when the manager is getting set to get a new contract.
This is the Rashford thread
Rinse them, 100m minimum
I fundamentally disagree with this. The reality is that he clearly is “good enough”. He’s a difference maker at the very highest level and the type of player who looks fantastic in a well-organised and managed team. The only time he has looked poor is when Rangnick and ETH have completely destroyed the confidence in the squad as a whole.
Having watched Kane, Saka and Foden, three players who no one would dispute are world class, look like imposters in a dysfunctional England team, I’d have thought there might be a bit of a realisation on this forum that, perhaps, players’ performance levels is influenced by the tactics and manager. Rashford, and the rest of our team, were badly served by the management/coaching team and that needs to change this season.
That’s not to say Rashford doesn’t himself need to do better. He clearly needs to do better at maintaining his own performance levels regardless of the state of the team and anything else going on around him. If there is an issue with ETH (which would be troubling as that would be Varane, Casemiro, Rashford and Sancho who have all had issues with him in a fairly short time-frame), he (and ETH) need to put them behind them and work together to make next season a success. I’m confident Rashford will do his part if ETH builds a successful team.
So Ten Hag has fallen out with Rashford as well now.
Mistake? Just because he scored the occasional goal against us, doesn't mean he was any sort of real success there?
He looked completely uninterested last year. I think he’s the type of player who usually needs great players around him to really shine. If the team is sub-par and looking to him to carry them there’s going to be massive disappointment. If he goes to PSG I think he tallies an impressive goal total. If he stays at United I think there’s probably only a slight improvement on last season.
"Welbz" did nothing of note except game raise and celebrate wildly when he played against us. He is, at his most prolific, a 1 in 4 striker which is miles off good enough. He was not up to it here. Bambi on ice as soon as he got near the box. Weird take.
I mean he looked poor plenty of time under Jose (who said so plenty of times too) but lets pretend the issues only started when Rangnick came around, its not like he was not playing like crap under Ole before Rangnick even got here
Rashford is a good player; he is not an elite, undroppable player who cannot be replaced, and his last 3 seasons at the club as a whole have not been good enough, period.
If you actually review all his season at the club, he has not really had a period of longer than a season / 18 months of top level performance and he has been in the team 8-9 years.
I like Rashford but now we are saying its 3/4 managers (Jose, Ole, Rangnick, ETH) that have been the problem, and we don't credit those managers when he produces it makes zero sense.
At the same time, he was outperformed last season by Garnacho so he has zero excuses
Reason enough to not sell him to a rival. He can’t score against us if he is on our bench.
My personal opinion is we will always be a team who only thrive in transitional play whilst Rashford is our main man. Has downed tools on multiple occassions now and uses some of his eye watering wages to fund his PR machine. I wouldn't be overly upset if he moved on.
Arteta and Edu would be hounded out if they offered more than 1m for Rashford. Long may he stay your problem...
Completely agree. Honestly tired of his brain dead attempts at dribbling through 3 defenders from the wing instead of making the simple pass to the open player,
I’d be ecstatic if we can unload him.
rashford looks like he's fallen out of love with football just based on his demeanor and performances on the pitch
maybe having the entire summer off will re-energize him to find that love and passion for the sport again
maybe having the entire summer off will re-energize him to find that love and passion for the sport again
80M Rupees is doable
Some here believe he's worth 80m
I think you are absolutely stuck with him. He has barely made any efforts to improve or show any will to do so. He will sit on that contract and leave the fans/media fight it out. 2 or 3 cryptic instagram posts per season is all you'll get until you're free.I’m praying someone like PSG comes in for him with a serious offer. He hasn’t got heart and seems more interested in his social life now.
Its probably time . This argument that we can't afford to let him go because of his goals is a bit silly .
We are MUFC . Though some seem to think he's mbappe , the reality is that players like diogo jota offer a better goal per game ratio. Jarrod bowen isn't far off , Raheem sterling beats him .
son at spurs wipes the floor with him .
Rashford is far from irreplaceable, the sadness is that he's an academy lad , who seems to have let it get to his head .
Selling him so we can accommodate a signing of the quality of Nico Williams is an absolute no brainer for me. We have zero chance of signing any top playet if we don't create an opening for them.
We are MUFC . Though some seem to think he's mbappe , the reality is that players like diogo jota offer a better goal per game ratio. Jarrod bowen isn't far off , Raheem sterling beats him .
son at spurs wipes the floor with him .
Rashford is far from irreplaceable, the sadness is that he's an academy lad , who seems to have let it get to his head .
Selling him so we can accommodate a signing of the quality of Nico Williams is an absolute no brainer for me. We have zero chance of signing any top playet if we don't create an opening for them.
I’d actually prefer to have Bowen on the team over him at this point.
The idea of him being in the starting eleven, going into another season honestly makes me queasy. I've no trust in him whatsoever, and if he is to stay ideally it should be Garnacho and Diallo on both wings. Assuming we don't sign another high profile winger.
We need to embrace the fact that the time of the 100m bids are over at least for this summer. Olise moved for 50m, Nico Williams is available for 49m, Soule is available for 33m and Chiesa is available as low as 20m.
I wouldn't mind if we get 50m + Ugarte for Rashford. It would allow us to buy a decent winger and it would help us sort CM up
I wouldn't mind if we get 50m + Ugarte for Rashford. It would allow us to buy a decent winger and it would help us sort CM up
Williams has a stupidly low release clause fee for a player of his ability. But he ain't going anywhere this season. According to balague he's happy to stay at Bilbao and wait another year for Barcelona to free up the funds to sign him. They can't do the deal this summer unless they let someone else go for alot of money.
At Barcelona he is seen as the other half to the Mbappe/vini jnr solution i.e. yamal/Williams.
My point is surrounding the fee. We can't ask way beyond market value especially for a player whose been underperforming
Yes I agree. Just read alot of comments on different threads that we should go after Williams. It's a non starter. He wants Barcelona like Yoro wants Madrid.
Anyway who's going to pay £60-£70mil for him? PSG won't under Luis Enrique. We aren't going to sell him to a PL rival.
At least two of your examples are release clauses so not really relevant.
It is relevant because they added alternatives for the rashford deal. We are also dumping sancho and Greenwood in the market at a cut price. That further lower the prices. Let us not forget that there are few clubs who can afford these players salary
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But why not ? Not that there's any taker anyway but if there was, why ? Liverpool and City would not even open the e-mail, Chelsea is a mad house and they probably wouldnt either, Arsenal god forbid don't ever think about it. You already know he won't turn it around for United but if by some magic he came back for Spurs or Villa or whatever, would it bother you that much ?
He is.
Based on what? This baseless myth just comes from him being friends with Pogba and Lingard.
Mister "Rashford is England's Mbappé" telling me i have no clue,He's better than Martinelli btw
"god forbid"
You have 0 clue
Mister "Rashford is England's Mbappé" telling me i have no clue,
Your reading comprehension must be awful or you're intentionally wording things differently...
Btw England are struggling with the exact same problems I said they would if they didn't take Rashford to the Euros, I don't think mentioning that conversation from 3-4 months ago will get you anywhere as now it's clear that I was 100% right about why taking Rashford is a huge mistake, why Foden is dogshit on the left, and why Southgate shouldn't disregard team balance and take 10 forwards with similar strength and weaknesses to the tournament, and it's even funnier that I didn't even expect him to have such a defensive, low-block approach because that would make Rashford an even higher value addition to the England squad. I predicted so many things whilst most of your replies to posts defending Rashford are either just one-sentence nothing replies or often just a single laughing emoji
For England the mistake was not to take Grealish. Grealish on the left is what England need.
Rashford is England's Mbappé does not deserve anything more than a
. Your own fans laughed at you, don't try to turn this into a petty fight between us. I was asking a question to someone else, you came in to tell me i had no clue. And yes, God fecking forbid, Arsenal go anywhere near what Rashford has become. Ask any PL fan if they'd want Rashford. And for a bargain of 80m on top of it. No clue 50m for homegown talent like Rashford is worth a lot more in terms of how we can spend money as well.
That contract the obvious issue of course in any sale
I don’t get this. Arsenal have a clear weakness on their left wing, as do City. Rashford is quite some distance better than the options both teams have in those positions. If Arsenal or City thought that they had any chance of getting him, they’d be all over that transfer. Pep and Arteta would both back themselves to get the best out of him.