THing is people like Goldbridge will say loads about Rashford when the actual striker Hojlund is also stinking up the place but will have 100000 excuses for him.
Marcus Rashford and his critics | Now includes fashion and hobby critics
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THing is people like Goldbridge will say loads about Rashford when the actual striker Hojlund is also stinking up the place but will have 100000 excuses for him.
Like all outrages the truth is someplace in the middle. I imagine most people couldn't care what he's doing/a player is doing when they are delivering the goods. Rashford has been poor for 18 months though, and in that time has wound people up more than once with his decision making eg clubbing in another country before training, giving middle finger to fans, being late for training etc. On the one hand, he should have his holiday just like everybody else, on the other, one could argue he could keep a lower profile than sitting courtside with sunglasses and an absurd piece of jewellery while looking like a child dressed as a rapper for halloween.
I dont begrudge him his break, he should recharge mentally and physically and its too simple to say he should be in carrington slogging away. I do think he looks like a muppet though, but that's ultimately not relevant.
I dont begrudge him his break, he should recharge mentally and physically and its too simple to say he should be in carrington slogging away. I do think he looks like a muppet though, but that's ultimately not relevant.
Awful post.
Eh? I literally added the words “in the context of” to make it clear that the issue wasn’t the fancy clothes, it was the entourage.
And wearing shades indoors has feck all to do with fashion and everything to do with attitude.
Believe it or not, there are many people out there who would fit the definition of a “celebrity” but wouldn’t dream of behaving the way Rashford did at that basketball match.
As a life long devotee to rap I want to qualify that statement. Dressed as a wack rapper.
Sounds like a bit of a far fetched conspiracy theory. I think you need to zoom out a bit and look at the bigger picture. Rashford was made one of our highest paid players, one of the highest paid players in the Premier League, supposed to be a key player in putting Manchester United back on the right path. The club isn't doing well and Rashfords overall performances and attitude on the pitch has been poor for over 1,5 years now. You get the puff pieces and the PR but you don't get the performances and attitude that people expect from him, which goes for every player in his position. His social media stuff with Lingard, the 0,012% stuff, lack of performances, frequent nightclub visits, missing training after his small trip to Belfast, while not being good enough on the pitch and with he club struggling, It's hardly a surprise that over time this results in a situation where a lot of the public appearances he makes is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. As a bare minimum you expect players to work hard on the pitch, and even harder off the pitch to get back to the level they're supposed to be at, i think that's the general image people have in their head of how players should act and the images and videos of Rashford in New York, mouth full of jewelry, is a very stark contrast to that and it's not a surprise that people will label it as a result of his overall attitude . Some of the criticism will be fair, some will be unfair, which it how it'll always be. Start with the absolute minimum, which is working harder on the pith, if the performances start improving and he does well over time then most of the noise goes away and he'll be loved by the vast majority (again)
And I said that your added words were "weird qualifiers" because what the feck does "in the context of an entourage" mean?
A coat could be the spark that ignites the beginning of end for Rashford at United, just like it’s was for Richie Aprile and Tony.
The new manager will give him a fair shake but I hope he also has the minerals to move him on if it doesn’t work out. Being a local lad isn’t a pass to phone it in, any manager worth his salt just won’t tolerate it.
The new manager will give him a fair shake but I hope he also has the minerals to move him on if it doesn’t work out. Being a local lad isn’t a pass to phone it in, any manager worth his salt just won’t tolerate it.
he's an incredibly uncool guy.
That's just optics though? He is a superstar celebrity so he is probably going to enjoy the trimmings. As for unearned, again that's optics; he has dedicated his life to be a professional footballer. He is just not up the standards required by the football press and people on the internet, two cohorts of proven fecknuts.
Harsh! I'm just saying positive threads or posts come from positive appearances.
He's had some promising ones but almost none to the level we expect from his squad status. I don't think that's unfair to conclude.
Beckham is another example, and he caught far worse abuse than Rashford and under far more scrutiny. As far Andy Cole—so what? His legacy won't be in question because brought the results. Cantona literally launched a flying kick into a fan—a PR disaster only eclipsed by Beckham's red card—and was outspoken as hell. End of the day, he's cemented as a legend who could consistently win games on his own moments. Going back to Maguire... I mean the guy was a world wide meme, and even got clowned on in some random African parliament. In that time since, you never heard of him being out of touch, complaining, leaking stories, etc. Put in a string of consistently good performances over some time and killed off that noise.
I sympathize with your sentiment on the ones who do nothing but complain. I'm not one of them, but I get why it happens. Pro sports in general—you're only as good as your last game. At prestigious organizations and clubs, with even more scrutiny. Some of these orgs/clubs like ours have a working class history where hard work, effort, grit is core to the ethos. Not the kind of culture that appreciates flamboyant displays of wealth when the important things aren't being shown on the pitch, especially on superstar contracts.
Those are the only standards he's not up to?
He’s a bit frustrating both on and off the pitch. As one of the highest earners at the club, he’s not performing anywhere near that level, and showing off like this just doesn’t feel right.
But it’s none of my business. I just hope he can rediscover his football abilities—otherwise, he should be sold in the summer
But it’s none of my business. I just hope he can rediscover his football abilities—otherwise, he should be sold in the summer
If you are going to criticise the criticism and make accusations of racism, you need to be less scattergun. The stats for Rashford are shit and that's where the basis of criticism should be, so if you dismiss valid concerns and lump them in with what you see as prejudice, you are undermining yourself. I agree with you that there is a degree of prejudice at play. But it's not clearcut and not everyone criticising him is guilty of it, as he has been rubbish more often than not, and with such consistency that we may have overstated his good attributes and patches.
Are you sure people have excuses for Hojlund? Maybe you should re-read his thread again, or the match day threads, or get yourself some nice new glasses. He's been constantly deemed "not good enough" and that to put it mildly, same for Zirkzee. The thing is, they're supposed to be a bit shite because they just got here and are young. Rashford is the poster boy that stinks up the place. I'm sure you all get that but just trying to turn this into something it's not. Hopefully people don't bite.
Not sure what your point is? They are the ones making the noise?
It's 100% optics. And optics can be annoying. I'm only arguing against the notion that people are somehow irrational or stupid to get irritated by irritating optics.
Optics matter though. The image he portrays is up to him in the end and the tradeoffs will happen accordingly. Lastly, this is Manchester United. Standards SHOULD be high. It's cool that he dedicated his whole life to footballing, but tens of thousands of people are doing that too. Only 25 get to be at United, and only a selected few get to have the kinds of wages he's getting.
I’d pay the fine if Amorim kicked a boot at his head Fergie style.
Did that funny-looking coat/jacket really spark 10 pages of discussion? 
Maybe so, not sure it's completely irrational though. It could be the optics trigger subconscious bias or information.
Because the clothes alone obviously aren't the issue. It's the whole hood up, shades on, strolling out surrounded by an entourage thing that is winding people up. Not the fecking clothes! Celebs do it all the time. Courting attention while pretending they're trying to keep a low profile. It's never not slightly irritating. And when that celeb is a severely under-performing, grossly over-paid footballer then it stands to reason that the fans who help pay his wages may find the whole palaver a bit annoying, no?
I never came into this thread to talk about racism, I questioned a poster who claimed race was not a factor.... I honestly dont give a feck, because what's new? I posted a video about one of our fans abusing one of our club youtubers literally weeks ago. Racists gon racist.....
Anyone who wants to read my chain of posts can see that my point is we're overflowing with moany, negative cnuts..... we can argue that point if you want but I think its been pretty self evident for a while, hence the thread that we all use to frequent. I'm not getting pulled into another argument on race as I actively avoid them for the most part, as do many people of colour I'm sure. Don't misrepresent me
That's unpleasant. Also, why would Amorim fine himself?
In this case they honestly don't matter to me. Does his attire actually matter to you?
Didn't mean to, but you did bring up the culture we are living in. Sorry if I misread that.
The optics aren't subtle. It's a look at me, vulgar display of wealth, American celebrity culture. They're all fecking at it and it's gross. And there's nothing weird about finding that sort of ostentatiousness annoying. And that's even ignoring the whole context about why he has so much money and where that money is coming from.
Can he do whatever he wants in his free time? Absolutely.
Can we, as fans, expect that one of the most important and expensive players trains more and harder when he is out of form? I think yes.
United fans protect players and care about their feeings way too much.
Can we, as fans, expect that one of the most important and expensive players trains more and harder when he is out of form? I think yes.
United fans protect players and care about their feeings way too much.
Maybe i misunderstood you, you were only talking about this specific case and not overall?
its his knitting
It only matters so much as me seeing the attire, thinking it's cringe, and moving on with my life. But I can see the connection between his image, performances, and backlash. What matters to me the most is having the players putting in the effort and performances to win matches while playing great football.
This type of criticism. Criticising him for not tracking back or looking half-arsed in tackles is for me, part of the job. Getting slagged off for what he wears in any serious manner is bewildering and irrelevant to me.
Maybe you are the one in need for new glasses. Read my post.
So if it doesn't matter to you can you explain why you think it matters to others?
I'd say the word 'Black' is an obvious omission here.
Have you ever made fun of, and understood the scrutiny of this?
or this?
Same concept. Big consequences if the results aren't there.
Clipped from my post above. This kind of thing isn't limited to Manchester United.
Misread the thread as hobo critics
It's obvious he's struggling on the pitch. I suspect I'm at odds with 99% of posters because I think United and its managers have contributed to that. I think we've broken his body at times and I think we've broken his spirit (and fans have contributed to that last one)
So I still don't see the player who doesn't care, I see the one who now gives in too easily when players don't see his movement for a pass, or they don't move to a position where he can find them with his pass.
If he wants a big night out and it cheers him up to dress up and play the celeb - great. If he comes back happier and more relaxed for it, then being given the week off will have absolutely achieved its aim. If he doesn't then that's his problem and it's up to Amorim to make sure that it's not the team's problem.
Fingers crossed he came home happy and refreshed.
So I still don't see the player who doesn't care, I see the one who now gives in too easily when players don't see his movement for a pass, or they don't move to a position where he can find them with his pass.
If he wants a big night out and it cheers him up to dress up and play the celeb - great. If he comes back happier and more relaxed for it, then being given the week off will have absolutely achieved its aim. If he doesn't then that's his problem and it's up to Amorim to make sure that it's not the team's problem.
Fingers crossed he came home happy and refreshed.
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