Marcus Rashford and his critics | Now includes fashion and hobby critics

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Rolaholic said:
He doesn't give off a 'gangsta' vibe either...

He looks exactly like any 27 year old multimillionaire looks like in 2024 around the world, doesn't matter if they're athletes, 'influencers', actors etc.

Can't go wrong critiquing his play this season, nobody ever defends that for good reason.

It's when it goes over to superficial things off the pitch that people get really personal over and armchair pyschoanalyze that makes it weird but nothing shocks me anymore after all the venom he got, and pure cynicism, when he was playing well and doing less flashy things like charitable efforts to feed disadvantaged schoolchildren.

The same people who had a problem with that have a problem with literally anything else he does period outside of becoming a hermit and only leaving the house for training or matches.
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I haven't used the word gangster but he doesn't look like like your average rich 27 year old either.

I think Marcus would be gutted to read some of the posts saying he looks like your average rich bloke. He's quite clearly going for a certain look and spending a fortune to do so.

Clothes are superficial right but at the same time we're humans, we draw conclusions from how a person presents themselves, that's what we do. To say otherwise is disingenuous. We all do it.

But as I've said, the big problem is that ego driven vibe he has off the pitch is very much his personality on the pitch. That's the entire thing here.
 
Jippy said:
So he can do what he wants, wear what he wants...when the Caf feels he's playing well enough? If he scores four in his next five games, with a couple of assists, would that earn him the right to wear say a bracelet?
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He has the right to wear the bracelet. Scoring 4 in 5 would give people something else than the bracelet to talk about.
 
Not sure why anyone cares about what he's wearing. He's super rich, young and likes nice things, good for him!

The only issue I have is the choice to hop 5 time zones to hang out if there was also an option to stay and improve his chances with the new management.

Let's hope that chance didn't exist, in which case this trip absolutely doesn't matter.

Also, he better have shared a flight with Cas ;)
 
If he was doing the business I couldn't care less what he wears, if he worked his socks off up and down that flank while averaging 20 goals a season then he could wear a bin liner with some chrome uggs for all I care.

The overreaction is a little hysterical but I can understand why him gallivanting around NYC with an entourage of body guards looking ridiculous rubs people off the wrong way, especially with how poor he's played. Factor in the fact we have a new manager who's just come in and the optics look a little unfortunate.
 
Jippy said:
So he can do what he wants, wear what he wants...when the Caf feels he's playing well enough? If he scores four in his next five games, with a couple of assists, would that earn him the right to wear say a bracelet? Maybe three man of the match awards and he can wear shades indoors at another event, but he needs to win the Ballon d'or before he can wear that hoodie again.
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Meh, i think you just need to look at the bigger picture and the signals you send. It’s not an 8-16 job. It’s a short career where you need to maintain a very specific lifestyle to make sure you are as fit as possible to perform. At one end of the scale you have Grealish, Ronaldinho, at the other end of the scale you have the likes of Ronaldo and Haaland that dedicate their time off to advises from sports scientists to make sure that there’s nothing in their overall lifestyle that has a negative effect on their ability to perform at the highest possible level. If you consistently perform at the highest level there’s going to be less scrutiny on off the pitch stuff, like going clubbing every week. If you consistently underperform and you haven’t been close to playing well enough for the better part of 1,5 years, there’s going to be more scrutiny especially when you’re supposed to be one of the key players at a club like United. So yeah, i don’t think it’s unfair to expect players in a similar situation to lay a bit low and focus on returning to form rather than traveling to different time zones and dressing up like he’s the main event.

It’s a bit like Depay not performing, then turning up for the reserves dressed up like Zoolanders impression of a cowboy in his Rolls Royce

It’s hardly unique for Rashford to get stick for stuff like this.
 
The failure of the likes of Antony, Sancho, Sanchez, Mhkitaryan etc down the years is the reason why we're at this point with Rashford. Truth is he's bested all of this players since his debut. If he was at City or Bayern he'll be someone who would only start at his best and be dispensable and they definitely wouldn't have him as their key man.
He's just another symptom of United of the last 11 years.
 
I just hope we get it right with Garnacho, Amad, Mainoo, Yoro etc. They're good but should be seen as part of a larger group and not the main men until they've earned and by that I mean multiple seasons of being one of football leading players in their position otherwise we'll see a repeat of Rashford, Pogba, Martial, Shaw.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Meh, i think you just need to look at the bigger picture and the signals you send. It’s not an 8-16 job. It’s a short career where you need to maintain a very specific lifestyle to make sure you are as fit as possible to perform. At one end of the scale you have Grealish, Ronaldinho, at the other end of the scale you have the likes of Ronaldo and Haaland that dedicate their time off to advises from sports scientists to make sure that there’s nothing in their overall lifestyle that has a negative effect on their ability to perform at the highest possible level. If you consistently perform at the highest level there’s going to be less scrutiny on off the pitch stuff, like going clubbing every week. If you consistently underperform and you haven’t been close to playing well enough for the better part of 1,5 years, there’s going to be more scrutiny especially when you’re supposed to be one of the key players at a club like United. So yeah, i don’t think it’s unfair to expect players in a similar situation to lay a bit low and focus on returning to form rather than traveling to different time zones and dressing up like he’s the main event.

It’s a bit like Depay not performing, then turning up for the reserves dressed up like Zoolanders impression of a cowboy in his Rolls Royce

It’s hardly unique for Rashford to get stick for stuff like this.
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I'm pretty sure that even if he was on peak form, loads of posters would be slating him for being flash, arrogant or whatever. People seem to genuinely hate that a very wealthy young man is dressed how he wants and having a good time out. I don't believe all the criticise is based on his form for a minute- maybe some of it is jealousy or classism, I'm not sure- and the sheer level of hatred is deeply unpleasant.

It's a branch of the school of thought that despises anyone on benefits who buys a TV or goes on a cheapo holiday- why should they be enjoying themselves when they should be staying home staring at the walls or giving themselves a long hard look in the mirror etc...
 
Jippy said:
I'm pretty sure that even if he was on peak form, loads of posters would be slating him for being flash, arrogant or whatever. People seem to genuinely hate that a very wealthy young man is dressed how he wants and having a good time out. I don't believe all the criticise is based on his form for a minute- maybe some of it is jealousy or classism, I'm not sure- and the sheer level of hatred is deeply unpleasant.

It's a branch of the school of thought that despises anyone on benefits who buys a TV or goes on a cheapo holiday- why should they be enjoying themselves when they should be staying home staring at the walls or giving themselves a long hard look in the mirror etc...
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It’s not an argument in itself that there’s always going to be people who think that, if he was on peak form it would be easy to dismiss criticism about his lifestyle as irrelevant, but as it stands it’s fairly easy to question his professionalism outside of Carrington, which was also done by our manager.
 
sepulturite said:
He's just yet another poster who thinks just because you criticise Rashford in any way shape or form you're automatically racist.
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That's your input?

With everything going on in the world (including the US election and some of the retoric around it), you think it's absolutely crazy to imagine that some of the people in these threads have bigoted reasons for some of their criticism?

"Ooh someone's using the race card let me get my pitchfork"

This place :lol:
 
afrocentricity said:
That's your input?

With everything going on in the world (including the US election and some of the retoric around it), you think it's absolutely crazy to imagine that some of the people in these threads have bigoted reasons for some of their criticism?

"Ooh someone's using the race card let me get my pitchfork"

This place :lol:
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Oh no I'm sure there are posters who have that mindset when posting about Rashford, but it's not all the posters that are criticising him, some are simply being critical because he deserves it.

I've been very critical of him on here, but not because of any racial reasons,that's a ridiculous thing to jump to straight away when someone is being critical of a player who just happens to be black.

I just think his attitude has absolutely stunk the past couple of years. I've said before that a player being out of form and not playing well isn't a big deal, it sucks, but you know they'll gain the form back at some point, but a general attitude issue? Nah, I can't deal with that, and I'll criticise that til the cows come home.
 
afrocentricity said:
That's your input?

With everything going on in the world (including the US election and some of the retoric around it), you think it's absolutely crazy to imagine that some of the people in these threads have bigoted reasons for some of their criticism?

"Ooh someone's using the race card let me get my pitchfork"

This place :lol:
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Just curious if you think the thread would be any more impressed if it were a chronically off form Caucasian Manchester United player on 350k a week walking around dressed like machine gun Kelly?
 
sepulturite said:
Oh no I'm sure there are posters who have that mindset when posting about Rashford, but it's not all the posters that are criticising him, some are simply being critical because he deserves it.

I've been very critical of him on here, but not because of any racial reasons,that's a ridiculous thing to jump to straight away when someone is being critical of a player who just happens to be black.

I just think his attitude has absolutely stunk the past couple of years. I've said before that a player being out of form and not playing well isn't a big deal, it sucks, but you know they'll gain the form back at some point, but a general attitude issue? Nah, I can't deal with that, and I'll criticise that til the cows come home.
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My 2 cents..... nobody cares about the football criticisms as we are all on the same page (evidenced by the lack of pushback on that specifically) - he needs to fix up if he hopes to remain at United. But past that, when some are in these threads talking about lifestyle and culture... then imo people will start to wonder where you are going with it and where you are coming from. Some should reflect on that, maybe listen to the advice given to Rashford and read the room.... or their own posts at the least.

For you, don't come in and take the defensive angle I've seen this convo play out over and over again on here over the years....

Posters make assumptions about people, news at 10

VP89 said:
Just curious if you think the thread would be any more impressed if it were a chronically off form Caucasian Manchester United player on 350k a week walking around dressed like machine gun Kelly?
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Here we go....

VP89 said:
He is to Rashford what I was to our managers? :angel:
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Why does nobody get so pissed off when I defend Garnacho or Bruno? Rashford really is persona non grata on here atm.... god forbid anyone defends him or asks for balance :lol:
 
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Sad to see, player that we admired the man when he campaigned for food for children. Humble guy. I think he’s not that person now and instead sees himself as big star. He sees himself on pitch exactly as he sees himself off pitch. The same person now. He’s finished as ‘player’ in one sense.
 
afrocentricity said:
My 2 cents..... nobody cares about the football criticisms as we are all on the same page (evidenced by the lack of pushback on that specifically) - he needs to fix up if he hopes to remain at United. But past that, when some are in these threads talking about lifestyle and culture... then imo people will start to wonder where you are going with it and where you are coming from. Some should reflect on that, maybe listen to the advice given to Rashford and read the room.... or their own posts at the least.

For you, don't come in and take the defensive angle I've seen this convo play out over and over again on here over the years....

Posters make assumptions about people, news at 10


Here we go....
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I'm not being defensive at all, just giving my side of things as someone who has been critical of him.

I do agree with you about the lifestyle and culture thing, I couldn't care less about what he's wearing and what he does outside of football, that's his business and his personal life, and people criticising that side is ridiculous at times, and I can understand why some are questioning some posters true motives.
 
afrocentricity said:
My 2 cents..... nobody cares about the football criticisms as we are all on the same page (evidenced by the lack of pushback on that specifically) - he needs to fix up if he hopes to remain at United. But past that, when some are in these threads talking about lifestyle and culture... then imo people will start to wonder where you are going with it and where you are coming from. Some should reflect on that, maybe listen to the advice given to Rashford and read the room.... or their own posts at the least.

For you, don't come in and take the defensive angle I've seen this convo play out over and over again on here over the years....

Posters make assumptions about people, news at 10


Here we go....


Why does nobody get so pissed off when I defend Garnacho or Bruno? Rashford really is persona non grata on here atm.... god forbid anyone defends him or asks for balance :lol:
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For what it's worth I used the same response when people accused me of *only* defending ten hag, but I see your point of view.

It's an interesting take, I was given my user tag when I ridiculed Pogbas social media choices and the answers were something like "what does it matter about his private life"?

Problem is, when professionals are paid the highest in the squad, chronically underperform perform and look disinterested, before they are seen splashing the cash on their loud lifestyle as though they've made it, it's going to rile up fans and supporters who don't see the two add up.

I dont think there's a problem there. I think it's a fair gripe. If I'm Rashford I'm focusing on training and if I am taking a break, I'm going somewhere non distracting so I can think about how I can get back to playing to my full capacity. The irony of this whole thing is he wouldn't be at the game in the US if he were any good and made the England squad.
 
sepulturite said:
I'm not being defensive at all, just giving my side of things as someone who has been critical of him.
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You and others who have that opinion don't have to give your side, that's my point, your side is everybody's side right now wrt his football.
 
Honestly, if criticising Marcus Rashford is your thing, there are more than enough very valid footballing reasons to have a go at him before you move on to clothes, jewellery and holidays.
 
sepulturite said:
It's a forum mate, giving our side, whichever side it is, is kind of the point.
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Yeah I re-read my post and it sounds abrasive but you literally came in on the race angle so what is it? You're giving your side, or you're going down the race angle?
 
Brophs said:
Honestly, if criticising Marcus Rashford is your thing, there are more than enough very valid footballing reasons to have a go at him before you move on to clothes, jewellery and holidays.
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That doesn't mean fans can't get wound up from certain actions. He's not playing like half the brand he thinks he is and that's making fans question his mindset. Not unreasonable.
 
I worry for posters that think dressing up takes up too much energy and focus for someone to be able to play football properly a few days later. How do you go through life without falling apart?

You'd think some would compute the cognitive dissonance of using Cristiano Ronaldo as a positive example when the guy has been obsessed over his physical appearance his entire life and hasn't been impacted in any way in his performances but alas... Looks like there's a tolerable, socially acceptable way of looking after yourself, and that being a bit too black doesn't cut it for many.
 
To be fair if I had back issues like Rashford has had in the past, I wouldn't be wearing that big massive white coat, it looks far too heavy. I am worried.
 
I hope Rashford bangs in a hat trick this weekend and then goes out dressed like a clown 70s pimp.

Just to see vitriol on here
 
sepulturite said:
I'm not being defensive at all, just giving my side of things as someone who has been critical of him.

I do agree with you about the lifestyle and culture thing, I couldn't care less about what he's wearing and what he does outside of football, that's his business and his personal life, and people criticising that side is ridiculous at times, and I can understand why some are questioning some posters true motives.
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To be fair, you came into this thread and made a comment along the lines of ‘criticise Rashford and you’ll get branded a racist’. That does come across as quite defensive.
 
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Posh Red said:
To be fair, you came into this thread and made a comment along the lines of ‘criticise Rashford and you’ll get branded a racist’. That does come across are quite defensive.
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antk said:
I worry for posters that think dressing up takes up too much energy and focus for someone to be able to play football properly a few days later. How do you go through life without falling apart?

You'd think some would compute the cognitive dissonance of using Cristiano Ronaldo as a positive example when the guy has been obsessed over his physical appearance his entire life and hasn't been impacted in any way in his performances but alas... Looks like there's a tolerable, socially acceptable way of looking after yourself, and that being a bit too black doesn't cut it for many.
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Can you point to a single example where someone has been branded a racist for criticising his actual footballing performances, rather than his lifestyle outside of football? Given that’s the point being discussed?
 
Posh Red said:
Can you point to a single example where someone has been branded a racist for criticising his actual footballing performances, rather than his lifestyle outside of football? Given that’s the point being discussed?
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Lifestyle outside of football is completely irrelevant to performances on the pitch?
 
NotChatGPT said:
Lifestyle outside of football is completely irrelevant to performances on the pitch?
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I have not "branded" anyone a racist (oh no, the horror!). However, I have no issue in pointing out rhetorics that are rooted in racist biases. That doesn't mean that everyone that parrot them wear pointy white hoods on the weekend, if that's what you worry about being called.

If you don't like when your posts with racist undertones get highlighted as such, this would be a good time to consider whether your opinions really come from where you think they are or if you may be conditioned by deep-rooted distortions.
 
VP89 said:
If I'm Rashford I'm focusing on training and if I am taking a break, I'm going somewhere non distracting so I can think about how I can get back to playing to my full capacity.
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Well I have to admire the restraint and professionalism you have displayed in this entirely fictional scenario. If only more imaginary footballers would follow your lead.
 
VP89 said:
That doesn't mean fans can't get wound up from certain actions. He's not playing like half the brand he thinks he is and that's making fans question his mindset. Not unreasonable.
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I mean, supporters can do whatever they like. But that doesn’t mean it makes sense to do that. If I could in any way link what I see as is obvious underperformance, and quite honestly, a pretty patent lack of effort at times, to any of the off field stuff, then I might be in the same boat. But I don’t think we know that. He’s a young guy with endless money and opportunity. Why wouldn’t he go out and live whatever life he wants to?

In fact, I think the far more likely reasons, albeit I’m not making any assumptions here, are that he isn’t as good as player as we had hoped he would be and that he may suffer in terms of his mental health or ability to cope with the pressure and stress that comes with it all.

None of which even mentions the pretty unpleasant undertones in threads around young black players at times.
 
Posh Red said:
Depends. This is example is literally the clothes he is wearing.
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I thought it was mostly about him jetting off to the states given his overall situation. Taking the piss out of how he dressed is natural considering how he showed up, just as people took the piss out of Haaland for his pyjamas attire and lets not get started on Tom Davies. If De Ligt shows up with gold grillz i have a decent feeling it's going to be commented as well.
 
NotChatGPT said:
I thought it was mostly about him jetting off to the states given his overall situation. Taking the piss out of how he dressed is natural considering how he showed up, just as people took the piss out of Haaland for his pyjamas attire and lets not get started on Tom Davies. If De Ligt shows up with gold grillz i have a decent feeling it's going to be commented as well.
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I mean, have you read through this very thread?
 
Remember when everyone had their panties in a twist because people were laughing at Neville, Rooney, Ferdinand for looking like NSYNC?

I don't either.
 
DRJosh said:
If Vinicius Junior dressed in the same manner as Rashford, would there be the same outcry from Real fans?
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If Rashford performed like Vinicius, no one will care what he is doing, what he is wearing and where he is...
The problem is...Rashford's performance on pitch....
 
Those who think Amad deserves to be ahead in the pecking order and have not voiced a word of criticism of Casemiro's attendance at a basketball game, gather round whilst insinuations are made about your character that suggest you're probably racist. Usually they say "agenda"
 
Posh Red said:
I mean, have you read through this very thread?
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All 17 pages? Not really.

Obviously, Rashford dressing a certain way doesn’t impact his performances, but i don’t really see why it’s a problem that people react to what they perceive to be an overall attitude problem.
 
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